Skip to comments.Newsweek: McCain Flirted with Lieberman for VP [RINO] [multi-kiloton barf alert]
Posted on 11/07/2008 7:21:04 PM PST by rabscuttle385
Newsweek has published a deep, multi-chapter account of the entire 2008 presidential campaign, with a lot of inside perspective. Somewhere in the middle, it deals with Sen. John McCain's friendship with Sen. Joe Lieberman.
McCain had apparently pitched Lieberman's name for the No. 2 spot on the ticket, but the idea was quickly shot down by his advisers.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.courant.com ...
McCain had initially wanted Joe Lieberman. The two senators were fellow romantics, deeply imbued with a sense of righteousness and honor. In mid-August, when NEWSWEEK's editor Jon Meacham was interviewing McCain aboard the campaign plane, the discussion turned to "The Winds of War," Herman Wouk's mega-bestseller about World War II. The main character, a naval commander named Pug Henry, was a favorite of McCain's. As it turned out, Liebermansitting just across the aisle and listening in on the NEWSWEEK interviewwas a friend of Herman Wouk. "Let's go see Herman!" Lieberman piped up. "Yes!" exclaimed McCain. The two began planning a road trip out to Wouk's California home. "We can shake the money tree," McCain cackled (Wouk lives among the wealthy in Palm Springs, Calif.). McCain loved to travel with Lieberman, a fellow maverick who had stood fast on Iraq, nearly at the cost of his Senate seat in liberal Connecticut. McCain's other traveling buddy, Lindsey Graham, urged McCain to pick Lieberman, still a nominal Democrat, as a way to show that McCain put country over party labeland as a way to answer the Democrats' choice of the first African-American presidential nominee. "We've got to match history with history," Graham declared.
Well, look at it this way. It would have effectively ended the campaign a lot sooner.
Well, look at it this way. It would have effectively ended the campaign a lot sooner.
Why weren’t we running a Republican this election season?
might have been the biggest lanslide since Reagan amd Mondale.
Wish he had done it. I’d have an extra $400 in the bank for President Obama to take...
Juan McCainez would have lost by 20 points instead of 6.
I don’t believe any of this. This is the DBM whom we all said was worthless throughout the campaign, now we’re supposed to give them the time of day?
No. I will view anything reported by the DBM as 1) stuff to prop up Obama or 2) misinformation spread to them by Obama.
From a theoretical and political point of view, it seemed like a good idea at the time. McCain could have run as someone who was above partisan politics, a national consensus candidate. But it’s one of those things that may have been good in theory, but never worked in practice.
Sarah Palin was a good choice.
“Wish he had done it. Id have an extra $400 in the bank for President Obama to take...”
Funny. That’s exactly how much money I gave McCain, and I deliberately held off on donating until I knew he was not choosing a Democrat for VP.
And Lieberman would've made history as the first man to run as VP for two different major parties just 8 years apart.
watch ... someone will correct me on that ...
“I dont believe any of this. This is the DBM whom we all said was worthless throughout the campaign, now were supposed to give them the time of day?”
When they portray McCain as a disloyal Republican, yes I believe them, since I have independent evidence of that.
I doubt I was have voted at all if he had chosen a pro-abortion killing pol for a running mate.
As Ann Coulter said: “the only good thing about McCain is that he gave us a genuine conservative, Sarah Palin. He’s like one of those insects that lives just long enough to reproduce so that the species can survive.”
Give it a rest. This story is attempting to do 3 things:
1) Tries to lay the blame at social conservatives who were thrilled about Palin
2) Discredit Palin among those who voted for McCain even though they had some reservations about Palin.
3) Influence her future potential.
“Lindsey Graham, urged McCain to pick Lieberman”
IMHO Graham was one of the biggest reasons McCain drifted off course to many times.
Without Sarah Palin he’d have only carried Arizona.
“Well, look at it this way. It would have effectively ended the campaign a lot sooner.”
Yes, it would have been McDud’s Joementum.
I gave $200 the night she was picked, and another 200 in early October.
I also got a letter from John yesterday. It pointed out the final 15 days were coming up, and could I help him with a donation so he could enter the last 15 days with even money.
I don’t think so...
Because we let the Dems and the media pick our candidate.
Dude, just let it go. He didn’t pick him.
The third party scum are trying their best to amplify the media efforts to destroy the Republican party. It’s so obvious now that it ceases to even be obscene anymore. Pond scum just floats on through and is rejected.
Go to your local bookstore, shake out hundreds of the subscription litter cards from Slimes and Newsweak and drop in the mail for pro$$ing. Send a message.
That would have been a great career move, John. You might even have done worse than Walter Mondale under that scenario.
Maybe they should take their act on the road. Anywhere but DC.
Then he would have lost by 15 points and we could have a real fresh, brand new GOP with a swift kick in the pants to the RINOs for one last time.
The Jewish vote was 2% of the national total. It’s totally irrelevant. McCain got 21%, with Lieberman may be hets closer to 30%. With such a small total it makes no difference.
But what about FL you say? It wasn’t the Jewish vote thta was the problem there. McCain did just as well as Bush did in 2004. He actually did slightly better among the white vote than Bush did.
The difference was twofold:
1st, a big shift in the black vote to Obama.
2nd and more importantly, the hispanic vote went from 56-44 Bush to 57-42 Obama, a 27 pt swing to the dems.
Would Lieberman have done anything about that? Of course not. I wonder what could have happened since 2004 to cause such a massive shift in the hispanic vote? Could it have been the huge conservative and GOP opposition to immigration that everyone warned would cost us electorally in 2008? Looks like it did just that. A shame since McCain is actually the most pro-hispanic Senator in the GOP, but he took the blame for the larger opposition within th epary and the movement.
Also, Jeb Bush was Gov of FL and had a hispanic wife and was popular with hispanics and George P Bush was part of that hispanic outreach. The anti-dem backlash from the Elian Gonzales case that helped us in 2000 and 2004 probably diminished quite a bit as well. Bush and Rove had cultivated hispanics going back to TX and that helped us there. Immigration reform was an attempt to lock in 40% of the hispanic vote for the GOP. It would have been a huge benefit electorally. Oh well. Now, hispanics may be gone for quite some time.
But Lieberman wouldn’t have done anything about the big shifts in the black and hispanic vote that sunk us in FL. You can’t blame Palin for that either. McCain actually did better with white women in FL than Bush did. I wonder why?
For the record, I'm an independent fiscal conservative with strong libertarian leanings and a bit of social conservatism mixed in. However, I owe no loyalty to any party or any faction. Now, if you are going to run around FR referring to me as "third party [pond] scum," either you should use private Freepmail or ping me so I can defend myself.
As for the GOP, the media doesn't need to lift a finger against the Republican Party. Their "maverick" Juan did it all by himself.
His slogan could have been: Government First or BiPartisan First
What a hack politician.
I haven’t checked the figures, but didn’t he fare quite lackluster in AZ? AZ is moving hard-left like CO and NV.
Third party folks, at least the conservative ones, are hardly scum. I think it’s unwise to vote third party for various reasons, rabscuttle385, but you and I have already covered that ground on other threads.
Let me just say I would readily vote for a conservative third party if I thought it could win or achieve some other equally important effect. So far? No dice. Our best hope lies in retaking the Republican Party.
“McCain’s other traveling buddy, Lindsey Graham, urged McCain to pick Lieberman...”
Ack! And Lindsey just won another six years I believe!
All anyone wanted was for people to follow the law. I have little time or respect for those that can’t manage that.
The [un]funny thing is, a huge majority here had drunk the Kool-Aid and were harassing those of us who didn't support McCain. Now, of course, they're pretending they knew all along McCain was a big RINO.
I don’t entirely blame them (except some of the more unforgiving ones). I think we’re going to look back in a year and wonder how the hell we ever chose John McCain. Heck I guess people are starting to think that now.
No matter his VP pick would have been his undoing, though Joe would have been a disaster. No, his choice for President was his biggest mistake!
...and ours as well.
It is the Republicans who are being systematically rejected- First in '06, and now in '08. The more that Conservatism identifies itself separately from Republicanism, the more Republicans will fade.
Take that as a word of warning from a thirty year Republican loyalist who is now an independent, willingly voting 3rd party. Not only I, but every one I know have abandoned the Republican party. Those few who were still holding out hope, me among them, were convinced in this election year.
You're on the wrong side of this, MHGinTN, defending the indefensible.
Exactly. Chuckles Baldwin is already declaring the conservative movement and the Republican party dead.
How many votes did your loser Chuckie get?
Yep. I would have gladly given up another seat to be rid of that putz. Good grief.
He won AZ by double-digits.
We were, but some on the far right preferred to act like spoiled children and refused to financially support our nominee causing him to seek federal funding and limit his overall intake of cash. If that applies to you, then you are responsible for McCain’s defeat. Enjoy President Obama.
I did not vote for Chuck Baldwin. I have stated plainly many times that the CP's view on the GWOT is unpalatable to a Reagan Conservative.
I did not vote at all, as I could not get to the polls. I am set up for absentee ballot from now on, so that will no longer be an issue.
Had I been able to, my vote would have gone to Alan Keyes.
What an incredibly foolish statement. The Republicans have no right or expectation of Conservative support *at_all* beyond the support and commitment that the Republican party gives to Conservative ideals. That has ALWAYS been the case, and will not change. What is in me, is in my sons too, and will be in their sons as well.
This election, from it's beginning, was about spitting in the Conservatives' eye. It was about making up the difference in the middle. As it turns out, your player got the same answer every other RINO has- with bells on.
If you want Conservative support, you will bring it to us, *not* the other way around. That IS the way it is, or we will go elsewhere, as we are doing in record numbers. Like it, or lump it.
As for the fault, it lies with those who try to make Conservatives go where they will not, and where they never have. In your defense, your plan was to bypass us, originally, but the effect is the same. Don't blame us for not wanting to eat sh!t sandwich. next time, serve up something tasty.
The GOP is afraid of its own shadow. The hollowness is from within.
I’m responsible for McCain’s defeat because I didn’t give the campaign money? Firstly, I don’t have tons of spare cash to toss out to candidates who don’t share my beliefs. Secondly, I live in California, which is a statement that speaks for itself. Thirdly, no I will not enjoy Obama.
Funny you should mention 30%. That's usually the threshold that analysts -- all of them, even the conservative ones -- say that Republican candidates need. They don't find it irrelevant.
Forget 2004. In 2000, Lieberman was the reason that Gore nearly took Florida, why it was even close enough in the first place to try to steal it.
And reread my point, I didn't say that Lieberman would've won it for McCain. Doubt that he would. But he would've changed the dynamics of the race.