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Fundamentalism And Palin (Annie Sullivan swings his purse)
Atlantic ^ | 11/11/08 | Andrew Loafers Sullivan

Posted on 11/11/2008 1:22:04 PM PST by pissant

A reader writes:

I love to see you grapple with trying to explain this woman and her thought processes. You are Tcs2 missing something obvious though. She believes in the literal truth of the Bible. She believes it informs on matters of science, biology, evolution, physics, cosmology, etc. So if there are multiple creation versions in the Bible what do you do, make up your own reality. If there are contradictions in it, ignore them. Just like you ignore inconvenient facts about day-to-day life.

If you BELIEVE the bible is the literal inerrant word of God what do you do? Well then you ignore all contrary facts, like the earth revolving around the sun, like the age of the earth. You are seeing in Sarah Palin the fact that she has translated her biblical literalism into a way of attempting to deal with the real world and hence as you put it, her alternative universe. I think what is going on is that she has internalized the fundamentalist way of thinking to such a degree that she no longer has much of a grip on reality. She has taught herself to ignore reality in matters of faith and has transposed that way of thinking into her regular life.

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The first chapter of my book on how conservatism destroyed itself in America is called "The Fundamentalist Psyche." I don't think you can understand what happened under Bush and what Palin represents unless you grapple with the mindset that can deny empirical truth in favor of Divine Truth.

(Excerpt) Read more at andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: andrewsullivan; antichristian; antitheism; christianbashing; christophobia; culturewar; godhaters; misotheism; palin; religiousintolerance; vichyrepublican
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Face it Andy, it's because Sarah has more testosterone than you do...
1 posted on 11/11/2008 1:22:05 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

More religious biggotry, fully acceptable in 2008! Barf!


2 posted on 11/11/2008 1:24:24 PM PST by messierhunter
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To: pissant

Was this guy supposed to be considered conservative at one time? I get that idea from posts on this forum, but I’m not much familiar with him, and have seen nothing during this campaign cycle that would imply that.


3 posted on 11/11/2008 1:26:44 PM PST by bcsco (Liberals don't understand, it's impossible to pick up a turd-like Obama-by the clean end...)
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Never a conservative. He initially supported the Iraq war but turned on Bush when it was clear Bush wasn’t catering to the homo lobby.


4 posted on 11/11/2008 1:28:32 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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He initially supported the Iraq war but turned on Bush when it was clear Bush wasn’t catering to the homo lobby.

Oh, OK. A lollypop. No wonder he can't stand Sarah. She's more of a woman that he is...

5 posted on 11/11/2008 1:29:57 PM PST by bcsco (Liberals don't understand, it's impossible to pick up a turd-like Obama-by the clean end...)
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More of a man too.


6 posted on 11/11/2008 1:30:34 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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Do we really have to pretend that Andrew Sullivan was once “one of us”? The guy was always center-left.

During the early to mid 90’s, he was always featured as a gay left-leaning guy who would say “I am conservative on many issues but am religion averse.”

Just like Christopher Hitchens and the others, we need to return to small government conservatisn and make our case to the people.

And trust me, the fundamentalist Christians are not a problem in the Republican party. In fact, without them there is no road back to electoral victory.


7 posted on 11/11/2008 1:31:04 PM PST by Doug4McCain (I'm ashamed of myself for supporting McCain, but I still love Sarah Palin.)
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To: pissant
More of a man too.

Most women are...

8 posted on 11/11/2008 1:31:55 PM PST by bcsco (Liberals don't understand, it's impossible to pick up a turd-like Obama-by the clean end...)
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Gov. Sarah Palin is the daughter of a Science teacher.

For them to take her Christian faith and immediately translate it into her being a young earth creationist and geocentrist is pure unadulterated projection and shows a lot more about THIER thinking than it has anything to do with what Gov. Palin thinks.

9 posted on 11/11/2008 1:32:40 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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” He initially supported the Iraq war but turned on Bush when it was clear Bush wasn’t catering to the homo lobby.”

Explains why he has problems with Biblical literalism. I hope nobody pays him for his writing.


10 posted on 11/11/2008 1:33:41 PM PST by Western Phil
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To: pissant

Yeah, that Bible he derides so much has quite a bit to say about his ilk:

5 The light shines in the darkness. But the darkness has not understood it.

20 “Everyone who does evil things hates the light. They will not come into the light. They are afraid that what they do will be seen. 21 But anyone who lives by the truth comes into the light. He does this so that it will be easy to see that what he has done is with God’s help.”

To people who are pure, all things are pure. But to those who have twisted minds and don’t believe, nothing is pure. In fact, their minds and their sense of what is right and wrong are twisted.

God considers us to be the sweet smell that Christ is spreading among people who are being saved and people who are dying. 16 To the one, we are the smell of death. To the other, we are the perfume of life.


11 posted on 11/11/2008 1:35:03 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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“If you BELIEVE the bible is the literal inerrant word of God what do you do?”

You become a Christian! Millions of Americans believe exactly that. Are they all deranged because they believe their is a God?

BTW, the Bible DOES NOT say the sun goes around the Earth. This false belief arose out of a common error. People adopt an idea becuse they personally like it (in this instance, that the Earth must be the center of God’s creation), and then try to find proof for their idea in the Bible. That’s the exact opposite of the way you are supposed to read the Bible.


12 posted on 11/11/2008 1:36:53 PM PST by Brookhaven (Those Guys Are Jerks)
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To: pissant
This from a guy who still thinks a teenager is more likely to have a Down syndrome child than a woman in her early forties. And you know who I’m talkin’ ’bout.
13 posted on 11/11/2008 1:37:20 PM PST by RichInOC (Obama/Biden '08: "We Are Not Ruled By Murderers, But Only--By Their Friends."--Rudyard Kipling)
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To: pissant

Truth be told, we have been taken over by fundamentalists— the f*ing fundamentalist.

An f&ing fundamentalist is someone for who sexuality is the highest of essences and any offense is punishable by rhetorical rape. The open rhetorical sewage dumped on Palin by Annie and his media cohort is an indication of how their god of sexuality was offended by her refusal to abort her defective baby.

Gay marriage is sancrosanct among f*ing fundamentalists. They will come into churches and be profane to make their point.

The rhetorical f carpet bomb has been deployed in this nation to silence anyone who does not agree with this radically secular orientation.


14 posted on 11/11/2008 1:38:03 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: pissant
From the article:

It can work for a while. But real conservatives know that dogma can never work in managing a fallen world. In the end, it collapses. And Obama walked confidently over the wreckage. Until conservatives understand this, there will be no recovery.

Theocons aren't the only conservatives.

And conservative doesn't mean anti-science, or it didn't in the past. Yet many here are trying to make it so.

That's not the way to win elections.

15 posted on 11/11/2008 1:38:21 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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Ah, so Bush and Plain are anti science? You agree with the little fag?


16 posted on 11/11/2008 1:39:36 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: RichInOC

Down syndrome births are more common in both women entering their reproductive years and in women leaving their reproductive years. Not sure about the exact risk between a 17 year old and a 44 year old, but they are both at greater risk of a Down birth than women in the middle.


17 posted on 11/11/2008 1:40:10 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: pissant

This from a pervert who doesn’t grasp the fundamentals of biology.


18 posted on 11/11/2008 1:40:51 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: pissant

There must be a Biblical book somewhere that extols the virtues of anal sex, dont you think, Andy? Keep looking, Im sure you’ll find it eventually.


19 posted on 11/11/2008 1:59:35 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: allmendream
Not sure about the exact risk between a 17 year old and a 44 year old, but they are both at greater risk of a Down birth than women in the middle.

Actually, risk increases with age. A 17 year old has less risk than any older woman. Risk vs. age:

15 to 24 years = 1/1300
25 to 29 years = 1/1100
35 years = 1/350
40 years = 1/100
45 years = 1/25

Source

The feminist idea of postponing childbirth isn't really a very good idea.

20 posted on 11/11/2008 2:05:32 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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