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Commentary: GOP Should Ask Why U.S. is on the Wrong Track
CNN ^ | 11/12/08 | Ron Paul

Posted on 11/12/2008 7:27:24 AM PST by marshmallow

(CNN) -- The questions now being asked are: Where to go from here and who's to blame for the downfall of the Republican Party?

Too bad the concern for the future of the Republican Party had not been seriously addressed in the year 2000 when the Republicans gained control of the House, Senate, and the Presidency.

Now, in light of the election, many are asking: What is the future of the Republican Party?

But that is the wrong question. The proper question should be: Where is our country heading? There's no doubt that a large majority of Americans believe we're on the wrong track. That's why the candidate demanding "change" won the election. It mattered not that the change offered was no change at all, only a change in the engineer of a runaway train.

Once it's figured out what is fundamentally wrong with our political and economic system, solutions can be offered. If the Republican Party can grasp hold of the policy changes needed, then the party can be rebuilt.

In the rise and fall of the recent Republican reign of power these past decades, the goal of the party had grown to be only that of gaining and maintaining power -- with total sacrifice of the original Republican belief in shrinking the size of government.

Most Republicans endorsed this view in order to achieve victories at the polls. Limiting government power and size with less spending and a balanced budget as the goal used to be a "traditional" Republican value. This is what Goldwater and Reagan talked about. That is what the Contract with America stood for.

The opportunity finally came in 2000 to do something about the cancerous growth of government.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; 2008; bushfailure; conservatism; goldwater; lp; mccainsfailure; reagan; rinofailure; rinopurge; ronpaul
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1 posted on 11/12/2008 7:27:24 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

“...attacks on civil liberties here at home, and an economic policy based on more spending, more debt, and more inflation “

Mr. Paul, you ain’t seen nothing yet...


2 posted on 11/12/2008 7:34:28 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (Those with the most to Lose, did the least to prevent it's happening. Ronald Reagan 10/27/64)
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To: Outlaw Woman

How about CNN asking why media is on the wrong track being so partisan pimping a Marxist day and night for 2 years.


3 posted on 11/12/2008 7:37:13 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: bamahead; traviskicks

Ron Paul ping!


4 posted on 11/12/2008 7:37:19 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Someone really really needs to explain to me this “loss of civil liberties” we’re experiencing. I must have missed all those stories of law-abiding Americans being dragged away to jail. I assume they’re referring to the Patriot Act and the eavesdropping (not wiretapping, you lib fools) on cell calls to/from suspected terrorists outside the U.S.

Well, don’t worry, Libs - the Great Obigula will rescind those laws. However, I wouldn’t cross any major bridges or eat in an outdoor restaurant after he does, if I were you.


5 posted on 11/12/2008 7:38:59 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: marshmallow
What is the future of the Republican Party?

For Ron Paul, a government of the people, by the people, for the wild shrimp.

6 posted on 11/12/2008 7:39:43 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: marshmallow

When GWB won we all thought having three branches of R government would complete the republican revolution of 1994-95. Instead it destroyed it. WJC was way more successful then GWB because he lost his liberal corrupt congress in two years and had a republican congress to fix everything,provide him cover, and to blame. By the time GWB lost congress, 2007, it was too late to recover, GWB was too damaged, Pelosi was a master of self control and cynical got-ya politics. Very painful years,

Lets hope the other side is as careless as our party has been, no lets pray.


7 posted on 11/12/2008 7:40:10 AM PST by sickoflibs ( Those who don't learn from (real big) mistakes are losers forever)
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To: marshmallow
In the months leading up to the election, I saw a number of surveys indicating that X% of voters thought the Republican party was heading the wrong way.

I'm convinced that many Americans think the Republicans certainly aren't Conservative enough.
And I'm convinced that many Conservatives stayed home because John McCain was too Liberal.
And I'm convinced that the media doesn't want people to know these things.

8 posted on 11/12/2008 7:40:38 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: marshmallow

CNN ... posting opinions from “conservatives” only when it suits their goal of making the Democratic party look good.

The media wants to force its assumption that Republicans caused the financial crisis when most of the blame goes to democrats.

*sigh*


10 posted on 11/12/2008 7:41:52 AM PST by DiogenesLaertius
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To: Outlaw Woman
Do not mistake rises in the price of oil as having anything to do with inflation.

The big problem is DEFLATION.

11 posted on 11/12/2008 7:42:20 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: dirtboy
"For Ron Paul, a government of the people, by the people, for the wild shrimp."

Oh yeah, a government led by a border line retard is just what we need now.

12 posted on 11/12/2008 7:43:41 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: marshmallow

We barely won 2000, 2002, 2004 if you look at the margins then we became big government, deficits, bubble economy, corruption, war mismanagement. We deserve to have lost. Obama campaigned like a suburban moderate Republican but will find hard to govern as such given his rabid left wing base of support who will demand payback. Hopefully that conflict will give us the opportunity to find a voice, leaders who will be able to design policies based on conservative principle that will right what is wrong in US. Generalities about freedom, low taxes and personal responsibility are not going to cut it if we cannot come up with thorough, sensible policies that will yield results and improvement. There is a perception that Republicans want just radical free market anything goes existence that is just not working for a hell of a lot of people


13 posted on 11/12/2008 7:48:27 AM PST by RedLatino
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To: sickoflibs
"When GWB won we all thought having three branches of R government would complete the republican revolution of 1994-95. Instead it destroyed it. "

Hence, we can NOT trust Republicans to promote and protect Conservatism in America.

14 posted on 11/12/2008 7:48:38 AM PST by gitmogrunt (The stupidity of the American Sheeple never ceases to amaze me.)
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To: dirtboy

One could make the argument to Rep. Paul that the U.S. is on the wrong track because of the shrimp industry.


15 posted on 11/12/2008 7:50:32 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: marshmallow
It's just a matter of who can come out with the biggest bailout package. Republicans pandering to Wall Street and the banks just gave the green light to the Rats to come up with an even bigger one.

It's way too soon for GOP navel gazing, or speculation on 2012 candidates, etc. We need to let the stupid people who naively let Hope and Change be their comfort find out what a fraud Zero is. They won't be able to figure that out for at least six months, probably a year. We shouldn't have too much trouble drawing up "Contract with America Part Two" by then.

16 posted on 11/12/2008 7:52:36 AM PST by hunter112 (Obamunism will fizzle, fo' shizzle.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Oh yeah, a government led by a border line retard is just what we need now.

Exactly how many people think of Bush.

17 posted on 11/12/2008 7:54:37 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: gitmogrunt
Hence, we can NOT trust Republicans to promote and protect Conservatism in America.

You broke the code--congratulations.

We need our own political party, a prosperity party, which will communicate and promote conservative values to a new generation of Americans--principles we know that work, otherwise America is done.

The GOP is incapable of doing this, because the RINO DNA cannot be overcome. The infection is complete in the GOP.

They bear the responsibility for allowing a Marxist of unknown origin to be the next inhabit the White House,and all of the damage to America that he will inflict.

Start fresh, start new, with a fresh political brand, and disassociate from the GOP.

The GOP is stuck on stupid, And you can't fix stupid.

18 posted on 11/12/2008 7:54:48 AM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: Right Cal Gal

“Someone really really needs to explain to me this “loss of civil liberties” we’re experiencing”

You are absolutely right. There’s been NO LOSS (if I’m interpreting your writing correctly). I got into a ‘heated’ (understatement) debate with the manager of my office regarding the civil liberties BS. He’s pretty far left and was screaming at me about how civil liberties under Bush have been attacked and on and on and on. It was bad enough that it destroyed our friendship....Can’t get over the twisted logic/reasoning of these people. It has to be a ‘supernatural phenomenom’ .......


19 posted on 11/12/2008 7:56:02 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (Those with the most to Lose, did the least to prevent it's happening. Ronald Reagan 10/27/64)
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To: muawiyah

if volcker or rubin are in charge, we could see serious deflation like in the early 80’s. however it would be followed by serious inflation instead of the steady growth of the rest of the 80’s


20 posted on 11/12/2008 7:56:59 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: marshmallow

Newsflash: Bush lost the Election. LOL


21 posted on 11/12/2008 7:58:13 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: marshmallow
Ron Paul should be the last person to lecture the Republican party on how to win an election. How many delegates did he have at the convention?

It doesn't take a genius to know that the Republicans governed poorly when they were given a chance (which explains how Ron Paul can know that), but if the party had nominated anti-war isolationist Ron Paul (saying that without a snicker is rough), we really would have lost in land slide.

There are probably hundreds of reasons why Republicans lost in 2006 and 2008. It is partly because we have done such a poor job selling our principles. (No matter how right, if a majority disagrees, even those with the right principles will lose.) And its partly because we have done a poor job following our own principles. But even these things just make up a small part of the answer.

Frankly I don't know what the Republicans need to do to regroup, but I doubt that anyone really does right now. And we won't know until somebody does something, and it succeeds. After that happens you'll find a bunch of people claiming to have suggested it no matter what they might have really said.

22 posted on 11/12/2008 8:00:08 AM PST by HoustonTech
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To: ari-freedom; muawiyah
Deflation is the plan. Bailout Plays Into Bernanke's Deflation Fighting Theory
23 posted on 11/12/2008 8:00:33 AM PST by BGHater (The GOP, the new DNC.)
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To: muawiyah

What I put in my reply was what Ron Paul said. I didn’t say Inflation (or deflation).......he did.


24 posted on 11/12/2008 8:01:27 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (Those with the most to Lose, did the least to prevent it's happening. Ronald Reagan 10/27/64)
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To: 1rudeboy

Duh.......


25 posted on 11/12/2008 8:02:33 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: 1rudeboy
Newsflash: Bush lost the Election.

Correction: America lost the Election.

Given the circumstances Bush has been a good President, but idealist Republicans and leftest Democrats were too dense to know that.

26 posted on 11/12/2008 8:03:34 AM PST by HoustonTech
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To: marshmallow
Welcome to "Bailout Nation". We're about as far from limited government as this country has ever been.

Really. Where does it end? Who is going to pay for this? Does anybody think they'll get all this money they're spending from taxes? They might be able to borrow some, but most of it is going to be printed. Created out of thin air.

Well, the good news is that they may just succeed in bringing down the entire mess known as our monetary system. The bad news is many people are going to be hurt. I'm old enough to remember 1970's style inflation. What's coming is gonna be much worse. Goodbye value of the dollar. Goodbye dollar denominated savings.

This is going to be one big mess folks. Better hold on to your hats, because there's gonna be some cold wind blowing over the coming years.

If the Republicans don't wake up and convince the American people that this is insanity... God help us.

27 posted on 11/12/2008 8:04:15 AM PST by Swing_Thought (pes.si.mist: [pes-uh-mist] 1. a well informed optimist.)
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To: HoustonTech

I know. I’m just making fun of the FReepers who are still campaigning against Bush.


28 posted on 11/12/2008 8:07:10 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: marshmallow
Once it's figured out what is fundamentally wrong with our political and economic system, solutions can be offered.

Talk about grandiosity!

29 posted on 11/12/2008 8:10:44 AM PST by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: marshmallow
"The proper question should be: Where is our country heading? There's no doubt that a large majority of Americans believe we're on the wrong track. That's why the candidate demanding "change" won the election."

Look Ron Paul cnn retard, I'll spell it out for you. The reason the country is headed in the direction it is, or "on the wrong track", was because of the policies and acorn work this very candidate demanding "change" was involved in!!!

Here it is in a nutshell:
" When the CRA was created during the Carter administration BY DEMOCRATS, the administration also funded with tax dollars numerous "community groups" that have helped the Fed, the Comptroller of the Currency, and other federal regulatory agencies to enforce the act. Under the CRA, if a bank wanted to make virtually any change in its business operations — merging, opening up a new branch, getting into a new line of business — it had to first prove to regulators that it has made "enough" loans to the government's preferred borrowers.

The (partially) tax-funded "community groups" like ACORN filed petitions with regulators that stopped the bank's activities in their tracks, sometimes defeating them altogether. The banks routinely paid off ACORN and other "community groups" by giving them millions of dollars as well as promising to make even more dubious loans to those who didn't qualify for them.

In order to try to diversify the risk of these loans, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Company ("Freddie Mac") pioneered the "securitization" of bundles of these high-risk loans so that they could be sold on secondary markets. Such "securitization" exploded during the 1990s as a result of government regulation. As Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke himself stated in a March 30, 2007 speech entitled "The Community Reinvestment Act: Its Evolution and New Challenges" (published online by the Fed),

Securitization of affordable housing loans expanded, as did the secondary market for these loans, in part reflecting a 1992 law that required the government-sponsored enterprises, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, to devote a large percentage of their activities to meeting affordable housing goals". In 1994 the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act loosened up the regulatory barriers to bank mergers. Consequently, said Bernanke, "As public scrutiny of bank merger and acquisition activity escalated, advocacy groups [like ACORN] increasingly used the public comment process to protest bank applications on CRA grounds." In other words, there was a burst of additional legalized extortion perpetrated by the Fed and its pet "activist organizations" beginning in the mid-1990s. As a result, says Bernanke, "banks began to devote more resources to their CRA programs."

lso in 1995, the US Treasury Department created the multibillion-dollar "Community Development Financial Institutions" fund to "provide banks with access [i.e., taxpayers' dollars] to new opportunities to finance community economic development" as "encouraged" by the CRA, said the Fed chairman.

The government also "streamlined" the regulatory requirements for CRA loans in 1995, allowing — and indeed pressuring — banks to make such loans without the benefit of many traditional credit-worthiness criteria, such as the size of the mortgage payment relative to income, savings history, and even income verification! Instead, the Fed told banks that participation in a credit-counseling program, many of which are federally funded, could be used as "proof" of a low-income applicant's ability to make his mortgage payments. In other words, federal bank regulators required banks to make bad loans based on nonexistent credit standards.

"In his April 26 New York Post article on the CRA entitled "The Real Scandal," Professor Liebowitz explains how the government's Fannie Mae Foundation singled out one bank in particular as the role model for all other banks in America in terms of its commitment to CRA lending: Countrywide, the nation's largest mortgage lender, had committed to $600 billion in low-income or "subprime" loans as of 2003. Today, Countrywide is essentially bankrupted and has been merged with Bank of America."<>

The myth that the CRA would not be harmful to bank-industry profits was hidden for years by the Fed-created housing bubble, which allowed for easy refinancing of all the bad debt. "[The] CRA increased lending and homeownership in poor communities without undermining banks' profitability," Robert Gordon proudly proclaims. But now that the bubble has burst, all those unqualified borrowers — whom the government calls "subprime," as though their credit ratings are only a tiny, tiny smidgen below "prime" borrowers with the very best credit ratings — are defaulting on their mortgages in droves.

Bank profitability has been extremely "undermined," to put it mildly. The bursting of the Fed-generated housing bubble is the reason why the CRA scam was not exposed until now, despite having been in operation for some thirty years.

So thanks to biased media like CNN, we now have elected the very people who put us on this "wrong truck" in the first place!! How BRILLIANT was that?

So STFU, cnn, had you done your job as REAL journalists, this would have been exposed far and wide, and Americans would have been able to make a wizer choice at the ballot box.

Instead, Media used their power to steer the election to the worst possible person on the planet in hopes of "change".

30 posted on 11/12/2008 8:13:35 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: marshmallow
Oh yeah, a government led by a border line retard is just what we need now. Exactly how many people think of Bush. I suspect people are going to wish to hell, that Bush was back in office once this monster starts dismantling everything American.
31 posted on 11/12/2008 8:14:38 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (Those with the most to Lose, did the least to prevent it's happening. Ronald Reagan 10/27/64)
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To: 1rudeboy
http://i38.tinypic.com/2f0gb38.jpg


32 posted on 11/12/2008 8:19:11 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ..
In the rise and fall of the recent Republican reign of power these past decades, the goal of the party had grown to be only that of gaining and maintaining power -- with total sacrifice of the original Republican belief in shrinking the size of government.



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or just reply to this post!
33 posted on 11/12/2008 8:21:48 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: marshmallow

Oh and P.S.

There were several attempts to address these issues by Rublicans, McCain being one of them, but it was always blocked by the RATS in the senate and house.


34 posted on 11/12/2008 8:22:17 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: exit82

We need the American Party!


35 posted on 11/12/2008 8:55:39 AM PST by Edgerunner (Second Amendment Spoken Here)
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To: Right Cal Gal
Well, don’t worry, Libs - the Great Obigula will rescind those laws.

Or use them to hound outspoken conservatives for being potential terrorists for seditious communications (i.e. not towing the Obama philosophy).

36 posted on 11/12/2008 9:05:07 AM PST by big black dog
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To: All

Obama et al are not going to rescind the Patriot Act. They are going to USE it in exactly the ways the people with their heads screwed on straight said the government would eventually use it. The major problem with giving power to one specific leader is not only that HE might abuse it, but that his successors will.

It is going to be a few hard months or possibly years before the blinders of partisanship come off the eyes of the core Republican constituency. X is bad whether done by R or D, and it is really sad, as this thread evidences, that the moderate Republicans are still in denial.


37 posted on 11/12/2008 9:07:59 AM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: M203M4

Yup, we’re about to do some reaping for our short-sightedness.


38 posted on 11/12/2008 9:16:31 AM PST by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: CJ Wolf

ping


39 posted on 11/12/2008 9:22:37 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: gitmogrunt

RE : “Hence, we can NOT trust Republicans to promote and protect Conservatism in America”

Well we certainly have to be careful, power is corrupting next time but that is a long way off. (Watch Lord of the Rings again , it’s perfect) One thing is the Republican congress of 90s (Dick Armey, John Kasich, others that made us proud to be republican) that fixed so many things under Clinton was gone by 2000 and so GWB who made so many bad decisions himself had a congress that was corrupt and power hungry and no understanding of us, especially in senate. Lord of the Rings.

But more to your point, this total loss and humilation forces a natural cleaning cycle that could NOT happen with another close win. Why ? AS Mark Levin told a caller just before election, ‘we cant fix our party, we just have to win because the alternative is worse’ which is what that led to.

So sadly there was no positive outcome possible this election.


40 posted on 11/12/2008 9:40:31 AM PST by sickoflibs ( Those who don't learn from (real big) mistakes are losers forever)
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To: Outlaw Woman
I suspect people are going to wish to hell, that Bush was back in office once this monster starts dismantling everything American.

Actually, I think many Americans wish that Bill Clinton had stayed on for a couple of extra terms since he (and the Republican Congress under him) governed far more conservatively than Bush has. That in itself should be the biggest indictment of the Republican party.

Funny how the anti-Ron Paul contingent here has to resort to long discredited ad hominems rather than engage the point that he is making (which is irrefutable).
41 posted on 11/12/2008 10:44:13 AM PST by UncleDick (Sola fide)
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To: UncleDick

Actually, I think many Americans wish that Bill Clinton had stayed on for a couple of extra terms since he (and the Republican Congress under him)

They tried desperately, albeit through algore, to hang on by dragging our country through the court system for a recount. What a fiasco and the subsequent laws passed has infected our free election process.

But you are probably right......I think the point is that people are going to wish “for anybody other than this monster”


42 posted on 11/12/2008 10:57:40 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (Those with the most to Lose, did the least to prevent it's happening. Ronald Reagan 10/27/64)
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To: marshmallow
WANTED POSTER
43 posted on 11/12/2008 11:03:51 AM PST by Dawebman (WANTED !)
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To: marshmallow
Q. Why is the U.S. on the Wrong Track?

A. Drive By Media

44 posted on 11/12/2008 11:15:16 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Tagline changed to prevent being sent to an indoctrination camp.)
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To: bamahead

Rep. Paul is right (again!) on all counts.


45 posted on 11/12/2008 1:33:37 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Same here. You ask a simple question - “please explain what civil liberties have been eroded under the Bush Administration and please give one illustration of how this has manifested itself.” They can’t. There’s the frustration.

Oh, and it’s not just twisted logic with them. It’s literally a psychological disorder - Dr. Charles Krauthammer had a name for it - “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”


46 posted on 11/12/2008 1:37:12 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: Outlaw Woman

“Someone really really needs to explain to me this “loss of civil liberties” we’re experiencing”

read the fourth amendment, then the seventh, and then hr1255, and bush’s directive (executive order) on seizing property of those who would disrupt our operations in Iraq.

.......... and then there is this little thing called the “patriot act.”

That is just for starters.


47 posted on 11/12/2008 2:12:13 PM PST by slnk_rules (http://mises.org)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Oh yeah, a government led by a border line retard is just what we need now.

That comment was both hateful and stupid.

48 posted on 11/12/2008 2:14:51 PM PST by slnk_rules (http://mises.org)
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To: M203M4
Obama et al are not going to rescind the Patriot Act. They are going to USE it in exactly the ways the people with their heads screwed on straight said the government would eventually use it. The major problem with giving power to one specific leader is not only that HE might abuse it, but that his successors will.

But the people who say that are all wingnuts, ya know. Excuse me but I have to go vandalize a keyword list. Someone is making RIDICULOUS claims that the constitution and principles of liberty actually should come BEFORE our party! Can you imagine the gall of such people? Don't they know Obama is a communist?

49 posted on 11/12/2008 2:19:57 PM PST by slnk_rules (http://mises.org)
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To: UncleDick
Funny how the anti-Ron Paul contingent here has to resort to long discredited ad hominems rather than engage the point that he is making (which is irrefutable).

Engaging the issues requires cognitive abilities. Easier to publish insulting pictures, post lying insults, and vandalize keyword lists. That is what *I* always do when I have no idea how to refute someone.

50 posted on 11/12/2008 2:23:25 PM PST by slnk_rules (http://mises.org)
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