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When Seconds Count
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Posted on 11/14/2008 2:23:54 AM PST by hoosierham

Follow link to story acknowkedging the danger of gun-free signs and zones,and the "new" police tactics.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunfreezone; gunfreezones; guns; rkba; shallnotbeinfringed
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1 posted on 11/14/2008 2:23:54 AM PST by hoosierham
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To: hoosierham
In other words, while it was once considered suicide for a lone officer to take on an active killer, it is now considered statistical homicide for him not to do so.

Whoa.

2 posted on 11/14/2008 2:26:13 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Whoa is right!

From the article:

"The other statistic that emerged from a study of active killers is that they almost exclusively seek out "gun free" zones for their attacks.

In most states, concealed handguns are prohibited at schools and on college campuses even for those with permits.

Many malls and workplaces also place signs at their entrances prohibiting firearms on the premises.

Now tacticians believe the signs themselves may be an invitation to the active killers.

The psychological profile of a mass murderer indicates he is looking to inflict the most casualties as quickly as possible.

Also, the data show most active killers have no intention of surviving the event.

They may select schools and shopping malls because of the large number of defenseless victims and the virtual guarantee no on the scene one is armed.

As soon as they're confronted by any armed resistance, the shooters typically turn the gun on themselves."

Very Very Interesting,,, Ping for more reading and to pass along to others!

3 posted on 11/14/2008 2:40:54 AM PST by TYVets
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To: hoosierham
The article implies that the police failed at Columbine because they needed time to form a tactical unit. In truth, there were enough policemen on hand to form a "tactical battalion" but nobody among them had the nerve to go directly into the building and face the killers.

What all of us saw were heavily armed and armored police officers, dressed in the most stylish black commando uniforms, standing in clumps outside the building (some actually eating doughnuts) and yelling at the kids who did escape.

The writer of the article assumes that our police have the guts to take on the "active killers" when in practice, selfless and brave individuals are a rarity. The whole damn bunch of Columbine police should have been fired for their gutless performance or at least, disarmed and reduced to meter maids.

4 posted on 11/14/2008 2:49:26 AM PST by Chinstrap61a
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To: hoosierham
The longer police wait the more people die. The other statistic that emerged from a study of active killers is that they almost exclusively seek out "gun free" zones for their attacks.

No kidding? Imagine that!

5 posted on 11/14/2008 2:53:29 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
...tacticians believe the signs themselves may be an invitation to the active killers.

I'm sure our new administration will make the signs unnecessary. Carrying by civilians will be strictly PROHIBITED at any time (just like in Hussein's home state)! Makes things easier (and fairer which it is all about) for all criminals, not just the mass murderers.

6 posted on 11/14/2008 2:57:35 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: R. Scott

This desreves a great big DUH!!


7 posted on 11/14/2008 2:59:40 AM PST by liberateUS
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To: TexasRedeye
Makes things easier (and fairer which it is all about) for all criminals, not just the mass murderers.

Even murder, ultimately, is (under the Obama Regime) just another commodity to be "redistributed."

8 posted on 11/14/2008 2:59:42 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: hoosierham

Did a websearch and found an interesting article on “single officer response” training programs:

http://www.thetacticalwire.com/feature.html?featureID=3593

The only downside to this approach is that a CCW holder responding to the gunfire might also be mistaken for the “active shooter/killer.” Not sure what TTP would unknot that rope.


9 posted on 11/14/2008 3:17:40 AM PST by Captain Rhino (The best way to calm the delusions of grandeur in the energy cartel is to stop needing their energy)
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To: Chinstrap61a
The writer of the article assumes that our police have the guts to take on the "active killers" when in practice, selfless and brave individuals are a rarity.

I don't know. I think it may be more common than you let on. I know it is anecdotal, in the past 4-5 years, the KCPD and MAST ambulance have had several officers/staff injured taking on would be mass murders and rescuing people. One bad guy was actually gunned down inside a mall, as 2 police officers went in after him; stopping a potential bloodbath.

10 posted on 11/14/2008 3:17:50 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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"I don't know. I think it may be more common than you let on."

I hope that you're right and that I'm wrong - but Columbine was a shameful disaster and at Virginia Tech the campus cops were useless and the real cops took a while to get there.

Like everyone else, I'd like to believe that our police officers were willing to risk themselves for all of us.

11 posted on 11/14/2008 3:27:56 AM PST by Chinstrap61a
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To: Chinstrap61a

“...when in practice, selfless and brave individuals are a rarity.”

It is because this is true that such things as police and military were reserved to men. In the male world there is leverage to make men who might be scared shitless perform under fire, ie; you lose the right to call yourself a man if you don’t AT ALL TIMES rise to a standard.

In the feminized cop culture what we saw at Columbine was par for the course.


12 posted on 11/14/2008 3:35:51 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: hoosierham

duh! how long must this insanity go on, how many innocent people must die before the ruling class gets it?

there is only one effective defense agaionst a nut with a gun, or ‘active shooter’ as the article puts it.

waiting around with one’s head up one’s kiester for police to arrive is lunacy.


13 posted on 11/14/2008 3:36:51 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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A good example of a system that works is Israel, where an Arab runs amok with a bulldozer killing anyone he sees.
A civilian with their weapon jumps up on the dozer and shoots the Arab. Case closed.
14 posted on 11/14/2008 4:00:58 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marsoc Dad)
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To: Chinstrap61a
Like everyone else, I'd like to believe that our police officers were willing to risk themselves for all of us.

I'd like to think that too. I know some police officers and they are courageous on a daily basis. I don't want to rely on their bravery for the safety of my family, though. The public puts way too much reliance on the police. There is truth in the line, "When seconds count, the police are minutes away." Even the bravest police officer will not prevent a crime if he is not on scene.

Truth is that despite their spectacular nature, Columbine and VA Tech incidents are the exception, and not the rule. You don't hear about the 100's of incidents daily where an armed citizen, prevents a crime, because no crime is committed. Mass killings only highlight the stupidity of relying solely on the police to prevent crime; as the Liberals would have us do. Had there been an armed guard, or teacher at either location, the outcome could have been dramatically different.

15 posted on 11/14/2008 4:35:55 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Chinstrap61a
The whole damn bunch of Columbine police should have been fired for their gutless performance or at least, disarmed and reduced to meter maids.

I have ask this question before, but have not had an accurate reply.

The police/swat team arrived at the Columbine School but it was at least 1 to 2 hours or possibly longer before they entered the school to go after the the killers.

Does anyone know exactly how long they waited?

A teacher was wounded but alive for a considerable length of time after he was shot. Students with cell phones called to get advice on how best to care for the teacher, but he died before the police entered the building.

I have to wonder were there students who might have survived the attack had they had received timely medical attention.

Two words describe the actions of the Columbine police that day:

Cowardly - Despicable

16 posted on 11/14/2008 4:51:45 AM PST by TYVets
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To: liberateUS
This desreves a great big DUH!!

Yes, it is filled with information and conclusions most of us already know to be true; but it is also quite refreshing to see a main stream media outlet actually PUBLISH it.

17 posted on 11/14/2008 5:00:16 AM PST by WayneS (HELP! My beloved Commonwealth is becoming MARYLAND!)
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ping


18 posted on 11/14/2008 5:11:50 AM PST by cizinec
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To: liberateUS
The other statistic that emerged from a study of active killers is that they almost exclusively seek out "gun free" zones for their attacks...

Many malls and workplaces also place signs at their entrances prohibiting firearms on the premises.

Now tacticians believe the signs themselves may be an invitation to the active killers.

It's possible that "DUH" may be an understatement but "NO $... SHERLOCK" could get one banned.

19 posted on 11/14/2008 5:14:56 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: hoosierham
I thought this was rather pointed as well: Criminals for Gun Control.
20 posted on 11/14/2008 5:26:56 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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