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Guns are 'flying off the shelf'
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 14 nov 08

Posted on 11/14/2008 10:58:06 AM PST by rellimpank

It's been a week and a half since Barack Obama was elected president. He won't take office for another two months. But he's already got one big group of Americans on their feet.

What is Barack Obama's position on the right to bear arms? Sen. Obama's campaign Web site says he "respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms." It promises he will "protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns."

Seeking to reassure gun owners, Mr. Obama told a campaign audience in Ohio in October: "I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."

But the crowds mobbing America's gun stores this week say a large number of Americans -- including first-time gun buyers -- don't believe him.

In 2003, while serving in the Illinois Legislature, Mr. Obama voted in favor of a bill in the Judiciary Committee that would have made it illegal to "knowingly manufacture, deliver or possess" so-called "semi-automatic assault weapons," reports Chris Cox, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association. "Under this bill, a firearm did not actually have to be semi-automatic to be banned. According to definitions in the bill, all single-shot and double-barreled shotguns 28-gauge or larger, and many semi-automatic shotguns of the same size, would be banned as 'assault weapons.'

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; banglist; bho2008; obama; obamatransitionfile
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To: OneWingedShark

Here in Virginia, I think so; but probably not so much in New York.


101 posted on 11/14/2008 12:36:41 PM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: Texas Fossil

“...At what exact point, then, should one resist the communists?...”
“How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: what
would things have been like if every Security operative, when he
went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether
he would return alive and had to say good bye to his family?
“Or if during periods of mass arrests people had not simply
sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang on the
downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had
understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the
downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes,
hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand...the Organs
(police) would very quickly have suffered a shortage of
officers...and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the
cursed machine would have ground to a halt.”
-Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago


102 posted on 11/14/2008 12:37:25 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Texas Fossil
I am convinced that the problem is a lot more real than you think.

Yes. It very well could be. The left believes the Constitutiion is a living breathing document that should change with the times. That means it's vulnerable to the latest fad. It's changeable on a whim.
A nation without laws becomes lawless. Lawlessness leads to chaos.

103 posted on 11/14/2008 12:38:50 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: pabianice
He wasn't given a satisfactory answer on why. Just “ fill this questionnaire out, get it notarized, send it back” and it shouldn't be a problem having it restored.
Questions like has he been in an accident requiring he be on meds, and is he disabled as a result.
Is he a mental case.
Why does he feel the need to carry a concealed weapon.
That one left enough room for an essay.
104 posted on 11/14/2008 12:41:06 PM PST by AirForceMom (God Bless the USA)
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To: wastoute
here ya go....

Photobucket

105 posted on 11/14/2008 12:41:13 PM PST by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Don't you dare question my patriotism")
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To: Reagan is King
and a tactical shotgun

Take a look at the Mossberg 500 series.

L

106 posted on 11/14/2008 12:43:16 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

RE: “Join the NRA.”

*************

I did join recently — still have no gun but hey, gotta start somewhere! They sent me a cute baseball cap and some stickers!


107 posted on 11/14/2008 12:43:26 PM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: AirForceMom

>Why does he feel the need to carry a concealed weapon.

A: Evil abounds when good men do nothing.


108 posted on 11/14/2008 12:44:53 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2111USMC
Not sure about the .357 mag. He did tell me it was fine for .38+P. I'll have to confirm that when I pick it up on Monday.

No FRiend. You may use .38 ammo in a .357, but not vice versa.....same with .44 special in a .44 mag, Makes it nice with a .357, you can let mom plink with .38 and then load the .357 rounds when you need the extra power.

109 posted on 11/14/2008 12:48:29 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Deo volente

RE: “You can relax, he won’t take our guns away.
He’ll just get the Congress to pass a $1000 tax on each box of ammunition. That’ll do the trick. No 2nd Amendment problems.”

*********

Here’s a really dumb question from one who may want to purchase a firearm — does the ammo have a “shelf-life?” If one wants the firearm just for home protection, and hopefully it would never need to be used, would purchasing a small amount of ammo be OK? I don’t like the sound of that huge tax increase on ammo!


110 posted on 11/14/2008 12:50:15 PM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: Puppage

Not only is it a lie, but we have been told by sellers, he intends to increase the tax on ammo by 500%!

It isn’t just guns flying off the shelf, it is ammo. If you are a hunter, it will cost you dearly for ammo under the One.


111 posted on 11/14/2008 12:52:12 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Travis McGee

Will this be America’s new flag?


112 posted on 11/14/2008 12:52:30 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Deo volente

Ammo tax is akin to a poll tax.

A gun is worthless, little more than a functional door-stop without ammo, and additionally people have the right to bear arms to protect themselves, and thus, also have the RIGHT to reasonably priced ammo.

IMO, unreasonable taxes on ammo are unconstitutional using this ratiocination.


113 posted on 11/14/2008 12:57:23 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: Illuminatas

LOL! Thanks that is the first laugh I have had since 4 Nov.


114 posted on 11/14/2008 12:58:07 PM PST by wastoute
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To: Red in Blue PA

That’s what I was thinking. I did a lookup, though, and there was a “Pittman Robertson” excise tax of 11% passed 25 yrs ago.

Of course, the key word would be “excessive”. Anything deemed “excessive” would be ruled a de facto national gun ban and would be ruled by a sane (assumption) USSC to be a violation of their 2nd amendment ruling earlier this year.


115 posted on 11/14/2008 12:59:37 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: CaliforniaCon
Here’s a really dumb question from one who may want to purchase a firearm — does the ammo have a “shelf-life?”

It does....but if stored properly, i.e. without large temp swings, 20-30 year old ammo works just fine. I am shooting 1970's military surplus ammo that works just fine. When ammo goes bad....the brass tends to discolor, or the primers fail. Bottom line.....Buy Lots Of Ammo Today....BLOAT!

116 posted on 11/14/2008 12:59:42 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: liberalism is suicide
Will this be America’s new flag?

Nah. Oboma is printing up new Hammer and Sickles as we type.
You should be getting one in the mail shortly.

117 posted on 11/14/2008 1:00:09 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: CaliforniaCon

“Here’s a really dumb question from one who may want to purchase a firearm — does the ammo have a “shelf-life?””

Not a dumb question. If kept in good shape, ammo can last for decades. I have shot surplus WW 2 ammo before.


118 posted on 11/14/2008 1:03:43 PM PST by Stat-boy
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To: pabianice

“Let me get this straight. In your state when an issuing judge retires, his rulings are void? That’s insane.”

Want to hear more insanity? In my town we now have garbage police.
Garbage to be in clear bags, inside cans.
Put it out before 6pm you get a fine.
Have them spot full cans in your yard ( not at the curb )missing a lid you can get a fine.
Have the strapping young garbage haulers decide your can is one pound over 40, they leave it.


119 posted on 11/14/2008 1:04:41 PM PST by AirForceMom (God Bless the USA)
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To: Doomonyou

He would also have to get through the SC.


120 posted on 11/14/2008 1:07:37 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: two23

And a few man- stopper compound bows and a couple of pit bulls named fluffy.


121 posted on 11/14/2008 1:16:26 PM PST by momincombatboots (Not a journey for the feeble.)
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To: Texas Fossil
On Nov. 4, 2008 we witnessed a Communist takeover of the U.S. government.

BUMP

122 posted on 11/14/2008 1:18:47 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: Stat-boy; All

“if kept in good shape”
I’ve been keeping a lot of ammo in my storage barn. Less concerned about security than temperature extemes. It looks OK, but do you think I should move it inside?


123 posted on 11/14/2008 1:19:26 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: tumblindice

extemes=extremes


124 posted on 11/14/2008 1:21:23 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: gidget7
He would also have to get through the SC.

Nah. He wouldn't bother, he'll just tax them out of existence and regulate them to death.

125 posted on 11/14/2008 1:23:50 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Travis McGee

Yes, “Truth” to the Left is that which advances their goals. Factuality is irrelevant.


126 posted on 11/14/2008 1:27:34 PM PST by Jacquerie (All Muslims are suspect.)
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To: Doomonyou
That's what we are thinking, hence the reason hubby stocked up. And the store has many empty or sparse shelves. They can't keep stock on those shelves! Selling like hotcakes.
127 posted on 11/14/2008 1:28:37 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: tumblindice

“It looks OK, but do you think I should move it inside?”

I am no expert, but my initial thought is yes. No reason to let it deteriorate at a faster rate.


128 posted on 11/14/2008 1:41:44 PM PST by Stat-boy
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To: Stat-boy

I think I’ll move it inside this weekend, thanks.


129 posted on 11/14/2008 1:47:47 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: rellimpank
Got a case of ammo delivered the other day from Cheaper Than Dirt (a fine establishment I'd encourage anyone to patronize for mail-order ammo) and it came in a Pizza box.

No kidding, a Pizza Hut pizza dough box. CTD must be shipping out so much ammo that they're having to scrounge any boxes they can get.

130 posted on 11/14/2008 1:48:50 PM PST by Texas dog
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To: momincombatboots

That’s interesting...

perhaps we need a “bow” thread for experts to recommend good hunting bows in various price ranges, just like we have the gun threads...


131 posted on 11/14/2008 1:50:26 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: concerned about politics

One of the ironies of our age is some of us have lost respect for those who lived before us. We have been conditioned to think that because of the technical progress the we have made that people who lived 75-250 years ago were uneducated and backward. However this is an illusion we have brought on ourselves.

Advanced technology does not automatically bring wisdom. Wisdom is acquired over time. These “Wunderkinder” have no respect for those “dead white guys” who wrote our constitution. They have nothing but contempt for it.

Giants they were, who formed our heritage.


132 posted on 11/14/2008 1:52:53 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: gidget7
And the store has many empty or sparse shelves.

I'm making an ammo run tommorow, can't have enough of that stuff!

BLOAT!

133 posted on 11/14/2008 1:57:45 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: rellimpank
Barry O'Bullsit is the BIGGEST gun grabbing elected politician of power since Adolph Hitler was elected. Every pro 2A and pro gun thing he says is an outright LIE. His record and statements prove that.

If he gave it a minute of thought he'd ban BB guns.

134 posted on 11/14/2008 2:00:20 PM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: Texas Fossil
These “Wunderkinder” have no respect for those “dead white guys” who wrote our constitution. They have nothing but contempt for it.

Another example of the left encouraging people to disregard God's commands. The 5th commandment is not just about honoring your own immediate parents, but by extension, our ancestors, our traditions, and the values of our culture.

135 posted on 11/14/2008 2:00:49 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: MrB

Ok, bow experts... help us out. I like them because they are not registered, and the gov’t cannot control the ammo. I have one, but it’s a yard sale special. I was told a long bow was better to hunt with because the twap of the string is less audible to prey. I am 108 pound female, so I need some info on getting more stopping power with less effort.


136 posted on 11/14/2008 2:03:14 PM PST by momincombatboots (Not a journey for the feeble.)
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To: momincombatboots

With a bow, you can GET a gun. I pray that it doesn’t come to that.

Look up “Liberator pistol”.


137 posted on 11/14/2008 2:06:43 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: ArrogantBustard

It wasn’t just members of the New Orleans Police Department who were involved in that gun grabbing outrage in the post-Katrina days....

The California Highway Patrol, the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, and even menbers of the 82nd Airborne participated, among others.
Shameful.


138 posted on 11/14/2008 2:09:01 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("When the anti-christ comes, millions will love him")
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To: MrB

The Left builds nothing, only destroys, blames others, and subjects others.

Republican Democracy = freedom of choice

Christianity = freedom of choice

Islam not= freedom

Totalitarianism not= Freedom

Totalitarianism = Communism/Marxism/Liberalism

Problem, how do we reverse voting to suspend Freedom in the Nov. 4th election?


139 posted on 11/14/2008 2:09:25 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Wise words from a wise man.


140 posted on 11/14/2008 2:10:53 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("When the anti-christ comes, millions will love him")
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Domestic enemies ...


141 posted on 11/14/2008 2:10:59 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: rellimpank

Having enough firearms and ammo for the moment, I just joined the NRA!


142 posted on 11/14/2008 2:11:22 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (SARAH *** JOE *** 2012!)
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To: Travis McGee
To a communist lying is perfectly moral and ethical, if it advances the cause of communism.

It's the Islam of politics: Based on lies, murder, and hallucinatory perceptions.
143 posted on 11/14/2008 2:14:37 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: aWolverine
Taqiyya
144 posted on 11/14/2008 2:16:31 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: two23
If you don’t already, look into investing in reloading equipment.

FReepmail me for my page-or-so guide to basic reloading and inexpensive equipment for beginners.

145 posted on 11/14/2008 2:19:14 PM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: gieriscm
My husband and I have a home-based FFL (see signature). Our first panic buyer called three minutes into McCain’s concession speech, and the phone hasn’t stopped ringing since. We’ve done more business since the election than in the prior six months.

God bless you and your customers!

146 posted on 11/14/2008 2:23:26 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: concerned about politics

It’s gona be a carefuly selected politicaly correct army. The retards will be given guns to genocide the smart.

It’s Obama’s redistribution of wealth and plan favoring terrorists with blessings and appeasement hand outs. It’s going to get worse as the media will be propped up.

He’s going after your money, morality, jobs and guns, to hand them over to the evil losers who will not repent for voting him in office. Already RINOs use the word extremists to describe folkes with actual values, on their way to view 911 terrorists as their liberators.


147 posted on 11/14/2008 2:29:28 PM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: caseinpoint
I would hope the rank and file of ATF agents would support gun rights, actually.

How many do you reckon will want to die trying to take them away. I doubt very many would.

148 posted on 11/14/2008 2:30:31 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: pabianice; AirForceMom
Let me get this straight. In your state when an issuing judge retires, his rulings are void? That's insane.

It certainly is. Would you accept that explanation if the ruling in question was a divorce decree, AFM? I would look into that before giving them any more paperwork that they probably don't have the authority to ask for. IMHO.

149 posted on 11/14/2008 2:44:21 PM PST by TigersEye (It has been over a week now. Where is my pie?)
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To: Puppage
I will not take your rifle away

I will not take it away for awhile but I will make it hard as hell for you to purchase one (if you can afford the taxes) ditto for the ammunition you will need for it...........

That being said, i will not take your guns away......BHO

150 posted on 11/14/2008 2:48:36 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (soon to be pushed over the line. Payback is going to be a bitch......)
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