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Scientists angry after feds ax forest study (Free Air CO2 Enrichment released CO2 near trees)
Fay Observer ^ | 11/12/08 | Jeff Barnard

Posted on 11/15/2008 4:59:02 AM PST by Libloather

Scientists angry after feds ax forest study
The government wanted to see how forests responded to carbon dioxide.
By Jeff Barnard
The Associated Press
Published on Wednesday, November 12, 2008

DURHAM — For more than a decade, the federal government has spent millions of dollars pumping elevated levels of carbon dioxide into small groups of trees to test how forests will respond to global warming in the next 50 years.

Some scientists believe they are on the cusp of receiving key results from the time-consuming experiments.

The U.S. Department of Energy, however, which is funding the project, has told the scientists to chop down the trees, collect the data and move on to new research. That plan has upset some researchers who have spent years trying to understand how forests may help stave off global warming, and who want to keep the project going for at least a couple more years.

**SNIP**

Some scientists, though, believe ending the long-term research may be a mistake.

“If we stop these experiments now, it could cost many years to get back to this point, time we may not have,” Kevin Lee Griffin, associate professor of environmental sciences at Columbia University, wrote in an e-mail.

The research program, Free Air CO2 Enrichment, or FACE, consists of rings of tall white plastic pipes with holes along their length that emit once-liquified carbon dioxide in carefully metered doses. The loblolly pines planted in 1983 at Duke are located behind gates several miles from campus. Carbon dioxide enrichment began in 1994.

There are also experiments at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee and the Harshaw Experimental Forest in Wisconsin. The carbon dioxide levels around the trees are about 50 percent higher than current levels — the amount expected 40 to 50 years from now.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; climatechange; co2; doe; environment; forest; globalwarming; junkscience; study
Free Air CO2 Enrichment released CO2 near trees

Wouldn't that ADD to global warming?

1 posted on 11/15/2008 4:59:02 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Some scientists believe they are on the cusp of receiving key results from the time-consuming experiments.

They have the data already. It just does not support their theories. That means keep the experiment going to see if they can somehow get the results that the want to publish (that, coincidently, support global warming).

Also, they need the money to pay their mortgages and buy gas.

2 posted on 11/15/2008 5:02:16 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Libloather

It may add to Global warming, and it will certainly destroy the evidence that the CO2 bogey man is a fraud.


3 posted on 11/15/2008 5:03:51 AM PST by liberateUS
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To: Libloather

Trees release water vapor into the air which is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2.


4 posted on 11/15/2008 5:04:42 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: mlocher

If their studies are warranted they can find a private funding source. Start with Hollywood.


5 posted on 11/15/2008 5:08:44 AM PST by Loud Mime (CHANGE: Palin 2012)
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To: Libloather

Wouldn’t that ADD to global warming?

Not if it’s “for the children” or “Saves just one life”.

They have only been “enriching” the CO2 for 14 years, eternity if forever.

I could go on but will spare everyone the groans.


6 posted on 11/15/2008 5:08:50 AM PST by Gramps
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To: AT7Saluki; writer33
The U.S. Department of Energy, however, which is funding the project, has told the scientists to chop down the trees...

My favorite part of the story.

7 posted on 11/15/2008 5:11:50 AM PST by Libloather (November is Liberal, Leftist, Marxist Awareness Month.)
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To: Gramps
"time we may not have"

No panic there. Nope, not once, never.

8 posted on 11/15/2008 5:13:31 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Libloather
The U.S. Department of Energy, however, which is funding the project, has told the scientists to chop down the trees, collect the data and move on to new research.

Yea, can't be doing research that could actually give results that are relevant to the situation.

Someone might actually figure the scam out and spill the beans.

9 posted on 11/15/2008 5:16:53 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Libloather
Why don't they just look around?

There has been “global warming” for the last several thousand years. Really cold water , AKA ice, covered much of north America in the last ice age and it has been warming pretty much ever since.

Of course, if sun spots don't start popping up on the sun soon we may just get a little taste of what global cooling is all about... With a shorter growing season and less farm-able land we'll see what all the “experts” think about that - and the consequences... And then compare that to all the horror stories about global warming... The truth is without global warming most of us wouldn't be here.

10 posted on 11/15/2008 5:21:33 AM PST by DB
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To: Libloather

“Wouldn’t that ADD to global warming?”

Yes, these scientists are responsible for the deaths of thousands of polar bears - arrest them


11 posted on 11/15/2008 5:21:50 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Libloather
It would cost a lot less and be faster if they studied the growth of grass vs CO2 concentration.
12 posted on 11/15/2008 5:23:48 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Libloather

Have scientists ever protested to end long term gravy trains, err experiments?

This has to be the sweetest deal ever. Getting paid to watch trees grow.

Tree rings are great indicators of growing conditions during any one particular year. Why would more than ten years of experimentation be required to determine the effect of elevated CO2. My guess is that it has more to do with car payments than science.


13 posted on 11/15/2008 5:26:42 AM PST by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: Libloather

The marxist left and the rino right are so deceived, they actually believe that man created global warming and have been carefully indoctrinated with the false belief that we can create and turn back such things when they are all part of the planets normal funcioning.
Global warming fools make me laugh in their foolishness and have done much to destroy captalism and free enterprise in America.
They are as stupid and arrogant as the left wing marxist dems runnings around and screaming as chicken little saying “the sky is falling, the sky is falling”.


14 posted on 11/15/2008 5:29:17 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives, please abandon the G.O.P., start a new conservative only party.)
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To: mlocher

They did these studies before...Guess What The Roots Got Long to enhance their Scrubber system for the highre amounts! When will scientist start to following science..


15 posted on 11/15/2008 5:33:04 AM PST by philly-d-kidder (The Phillies Parade was awesome!! Did I tell you Phillies are world champions!)
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To: Libloather; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; TenthAmendmentChampion; calcowgirl; Horusra; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

16 posted on 11/15/2008 5:35:26 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: philly-d-kidder
When will scientist start to following science..

As soon as science gets it right. "Vee shall sendt schience to zee re-education kamp."

17 posted on 11/15/2008 5:40:00 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Libloather
Even to the casual observer it is obvious that higher levels of C02 caused tremendous growth of plant life. Look at the coal deposits. Huge amount's of carbon were taken in and huge plants grew and huge deposits of coal were made.
18 posted on 11/15/2008 5:55:25 AM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Libloather

Planet Murderers...


19 posted on 11/15/2008 5:58:00 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (It's no longer the Press Van, it's a "Tanker" Truck!)
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To: mlocher

That Norweigian anti-Global warming scientist said almost the same about the Re education Camps.. Fascist!


20 posted on 11/15/2008 5:59:13 AM PST by philly-d-kidder (The Phillies Parade was awesome!! Did I tell you Phillies are world champions!)
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To: Libloather

Marijuana growers have been pumping increased amounts of CO2 into pot plants for years. Yeah, it increases the amount of plant material significantly.


21 posted on 11/15/2008 6:15:49 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Libloather
That plan has upset some researchers ... who want to keep the project going for at least a couple more years.
"We actually get paid to do this."

22 posted on 11/15/2008 6:16:22 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SampleMan

Does that mean if we start scrubbing CO2 out of the atmosphere, I don’t have to mow the lawn as much?


23 posted on 11/15/2008 6:20:58 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: mlocher
"They have the data already. It just does not support their theories. That means keep the experiment going to see if they can somehow get the results that the want to publish (that, coincidentally, support global warming)."

I don't know anything about this study, but it would appear to me the only reason to test the response of trees to elevated levels of CO2 is too check the increase in growth rate (read: increased CO2 absorption rate).

Such a study is much more likely to oppose global warming than to support it. This is one study I would like to see continued.

An outcome supporting global warming would be a decrease or no increase in growth rate. If they are looking for support for global warming, why not publish now if they have the data? Now maybe the scientists are afraid they will have to end their study and get a real job. That is another story.

24 posted on 11/15/2008 6:23:32 AM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: Libloather
The U.S. Department of Energy, however, which is funding the project, has told the scientists to chop down the trees, collect the data and move on to new research. That plan has upset some researchers who now have to find a real job.
Gentlemen, there go our phony baloney jobs!
25 posted on 11/15/2008 6:24:01 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: mlocher
As soon as science gets it right. "Vee shall sendt schience to zee re-education kamp."

'Global Warming' is the new Lysenkoism. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

26 posted on 11/15/2008 6:53:54 AM PST by Seven plus One
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To: Libloather

In greenhouses, the rose growers (fresh market cut flowers) have CO2 generators to pump more gas into the confined environment. If it wasn’t having a positive impact, I really do doubt the rose growers would be using the system.
Applied Ag Science 101


27 posted on 11/15/2008 7:07:08 AM PST by pointsal
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To: Libloather

I wrote Fox and Friends this morning to report on how much carbon tax Oprah would have to pay for the CO2 emissions from her burning house and yard.


28 posted on 11/15/2008 7:14:19 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Save America......... put out lots of waferin)
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To: Libloather

Why “favorite part of the story”? This study has shown how CO2 in the atmosphere benefits plant growth and how younger forests benefit most, which leads to the conclusion that cutting mature trees is good forest management.
This may not be what all the researchers wanted to find but there it is.


29 posted on 11/15/2008 7:34:52 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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30 posted on 11/15/2008 5:45:57 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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31 posted on 11/15/2008 6:16:51 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: count-your-change; writer33; AT7Saluki
Why “favorite part of the story”?

The U.S. Department of Energy - demanding trees be cut down?

I'm in pig heaven.

32 posted on 11/15/2008 6:52:00 PM PST by Libloather (November is Liberal, Leftist, Marxist Awareness Month.)
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To: 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; BBell; BenLurkin; ...
thanks neverdem for the link. oldie (2001) from Popular Mechanics:
The Tree Solution
by Jim Wilson
As Greenpeace expanded to become the world's largest international environmental organization, Moore's star steadily rose and he eventually became vice president of research. Then he did something even more unexpected than joining the organization in the first place. He packed up and quit... In the months before his departure, Moore had begun talking heresy. "The environmental movement had gone astray and lost its perspective on forests," Moore says. "Rather than cutting fewer trees and using less wood, we should be growing more trees and using more wood." Greenpeace branded him an eco-Judas. Now comes the biggest surprise of all. Recently published research suggests that Moore is right. Cutting down old trees could be the best way to thwart global warming.
 
Catastrophism
 
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33 posted on 11/16/2008 8:39:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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