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To: tpanther

My guess from abroad is that it has to do with the definition of marriage between a man and a woman going into law now and with California being La La Land. However, churches still pretty much do what they want regardless of the law on this issue and may call it a blessing or something else. I am abroad so I don’t know the specifics but when violence makes it to foreign press from my own country repeatedly then I am just wondering what else I maybe missing.


36 posted on 11/18/2008 8:39:13 PM PST by volslover
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To: volslover

Perhaps I can answer some of your questions. The issue of gay marriage as a civil right under the California Constitution was not a problem until last May when four justices of the California Supreme Court determined that the California Constitution did not specify marriage could only exist between a man and a woman so, therefore, the state had to allow same-sex couples to marry. Licenses began being issued in June. Opponents of this judicial activism to redefine marriage worked feverishly to add a marriage definition to the California Constitution limited to heterosexual couples. Even though the matter was thrust upon the public rather suddenly, the gay activists believed it would not pass. When it did, they were shocked and angry and are now acting out their anger against identifiable groups they blame for its passage, including Mormons, Catholics, other Christians, Blacks and Latinos.

Ostensibly the argument seems to be grounded in the notion that there should be one type of union for heterosexual couples and another for homosexual couples; however, it is not just the two-tier issue that angers the gay rights people. They hoped to take marriage rights and privileges under the California Constitution and use them to demand federal benefits (now withheld under federal laws protecting heterosexual marriage) and to sue for discrimination any person or organization, including churches, which might distinguish between heterosexual marriages and homosexual marriages on the basis that the law doesn’t discriminate. They further wanted to use a California marriage as a way to sue for full faith and credit to force every other state in the union to recognize marriages contracted in California even if it were still illegal in the host state.


37 posted on 11/18/2008 9:01:58 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: volslover

I think alot of this by the gay community could affect freedom of religion. If they (the gays) can dictate federal recognition of “marriage for gay’s” then the federal government could fine churches if their leaders didn’t allow gay marriage. In other words, the Federal Government would then be able to dictate to churches what those churches could preach, teach and practice..... IMHO


42 posted on 11/18/2008 9:20:09 PM PST by yellowroses (a Yankee in Texas)
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To: volslover

There has been a culture war going on in this country for decades and it’s getting worse.

As the hypocrats gain more power it will continue to get worse.

The godless liberals are demanding God be removed from their midsts and they’ve largely been successful, and yet despite their success we now see the beginnings of violence FROM THEIR SIDE.

The more power they gain, the more control they exert, the more unhinged they become. Most godless liberals like Bill Ayers see God and America as what’s wrong with the entire world. To some extent our next president agrees as evidenced by his ‘bitter clinger’ comments.

Soon Christians will be labeled as haters for not accepting the homosexual lifestyle first in California, and then NATIONALLY.

I certainly can’t speak for Mormon churches but many churches are more and more convinced we’re closing in on the end times.

Perhaps.

Biblically, we do know things will get worse over time, not better.

I’m concerned for my kids and an impending civil war of sorts.

Only not Federals vs. confederates or north vs. south or blue. vs. gray but:

Christians vs. secularists

sane vs. insane

conservatives vs. liberals

Republicans vs. democrats

We’re as polarized as ever and despite the ramblings of the coming disaster known as the zero exclaiming unity, change and hope, we get further and further apart.

The next 4 years are going to produce alot more violence for you to read about I fear!

BTW, what country are you in now?


46 posted on 11/18/2008 10:05:02 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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