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Pirates Exploit Confusion About International Law
Wall Street Journal ^ | November 19, 2008 | David B. Rivkin and Lee A. Casey

Posted on 11/19/2008 8:27:33 AM PST by reaganaut1

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Capturing pirates is not the critical problem. Rather, the issue is how to handle those in captivity. Traditionally, pirates fell within that category of illegitimate hostiles that once included slave traders, brigands on the roads and, in wartime, unprivileged or "unlawful" enemy combatants.

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The key problem is that America's NATO allies have effectively abandoned the historical legal rules permitting irregular fighters to be tried in special military courts (or, in the case of pirates, admiralty courts) in favor of a straightforward criminal-justice model. Although piracy is certainly a criminal offense, treating it like bank robbery or an ordinary murder case presents certain problems for Western states.

To begin with, common criminals cannot be targeted with military force. There are other issues as well. Last April the British Foreign Office reportedly warned the Royal Navy not to detain pirates, since this might violate their "human rights" and could even lead to claims of asylum in Britain. Turning the captives over to Somali authorities is also problematic -- since they might face the head- and hand-chopping rigors of Shariah law. Similar considerations have confounded U.S. government officials in their discussions of how to confront this new problem of an old terror at sea.

In the last few years, France determined to return its pirate prisoners to Somalia based on assurances of humanitarian treatment. The U.S. has, of course, rendered terror prisoners to foreign governments based on similar assurances, and only time will tell whether they are genuine. An equally important question is whether the transfer of captured pirates to local authorities will result in prosecution at all. In many areas, local governments may be subject to corruption or intimidation by strong pirate gangs.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: piracy; thomasjefferson
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People who think terrorism on U.S. soil should be treated as an ordinary criminal matter are going to approach piracy the same way.
1 posted on 11/19/2008 8:27:33 AM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
The Royal Navy of old had the right idea about what to do with pirates...


2 posted on 11/19/2008 8:29:57 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: reaganaut1

Beat me by less than two minutes.


3 posted on 11/19/2008 8:30:09 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: reaganaut1

I’ve solved the issue of how to handle prisoners.

Don’t take any.

Piracy at sea: shoot up the attackers, sail away. Leave any survivors for the sharks.


4 posted on 11/19/2008 8:32:41 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: reaganaut1

Give them a swift drop and a sudden stop. Dead men tell no tales.

H


5 posted on 11/19/2008 8:33:05 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Keep Austin Quarantined ...)
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To: reaganaut1

These pirates are rumored to be Obama’s relatives.


6 posted on 11/19/2008 8:34:05 AM PST by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: Pontiac

Blow ‘em out of the water and send the pieces to their home country for disposal.


7 posted on 11/19/2008 8:35:31 AM PST by Da Coyote (-)
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These pirates are rumored to be Obama’s relatives.

Please don't spread idiocy. Obama's relatives come from many hundreds of miles away, from far inland and from completely different groups.

This remark is like saying the Swiss are related to Sicilians.

8 posted on 11/19/2008 8:37:31 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: reaganaut1

“As...explained in 1718: “It is lawful for any one that takes (pirates), if they cannot with safety to themselves bring them under some government to be tried, to put them to death.” This law, of course, has changed since the 18th century. Pirates, brigands and unlawful combatants must now be tried before they can be punished.”

Well, presumably most pirate “punishments” (fatalities) occur when they are attempting to board. It is still legal in all countries to repel boarders by lethal force, isn’t it?

I’m having trouble understanding why modern technology cannot detect an approaching pirate vessel, and why modern weaponry cannot destroy said vessel before it can get too close; also, isn’t there a Delta force that can take out these pirates during the ransom negotiation process?


9 posted on 11/19/2008 8:42:25 AM PST by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: Sherman Logan
the Swiss are related to Sicilians.

They are?

10 posted on 11/19/2008 8:49:29 AM PST by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Keel hauling and drawn and quartering then walk the plank, matey!.............


11 posted on 11/19/2008 8:55:15 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: Sherman Logan
This remark is like saying the Swiss are related to Sicilians.

Only thru their bank accounts............

12 posted on 11/19/2008 8:56:41 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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Capturing pirates is not the critical problem. Rather, the issue is how to handle those in captivity.

Dead pirates tell no tales.

13 posted on 11/19/2008 8:57:20 AM PST by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | Impeach Obama!)
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To: reaganaut1

I know, set up yet another world UN Tribunal for them or give the ICC something to do and waste more money. It seems the way the world solves these issues now unfornately. Probably better to hire mercenaries or the Indian government.


14 posted on 11/19/2008 9:00:11 AM PST by volslover
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send ‘em to Gitmo! Oh! wait... nevermind...


15 posted on 11/19/2008 9:00:37 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: reaganaut1

Use them as lab rats for testing new weapons


16 posted on 11/19/2008 9:05:10 AM PST by The Brush
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To: Clint Williams
Turning the captives over to Somali authorities is also problematic -- since they might face the head- and hand-chopping rigors of Shariah law.

Trying to work up some sympathy here... Still trying... Still... trying... *grunt*

Phew! Nope, couldn't do it.

17 posted on 11/19/2008 9:08:13 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: reaganaut1

They’ll talk themselves to death and your children will still be talking about what to do with them when they become adults. Sink their boats and get it over with.


18 posted on 11/19/2008 9:08:19 AM PST by RC2
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” These pirates are rumored to be Obama’s relatives. “

Just wondering - did your parents have any children that actually lived?

Idiot.


19 posted on 11/19/2008 9:12:45 AM PST by SkyShot (My keboard's y is dodgy)
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To: reaganaut1

It would be much less expensive for shippers to equip their ships with a small armed force, and the necessary firepower to ward off pirates, than to continue on the current path.

As well, a “regional” quick reaction force of fighter aircraft that would respond to distress calls, and shoot to kill pirates, would also go a long way towards ending this crap.

If they encountered armed resistance in each attempt, in a year there would be few, if any, further attempts at hijacking ships at sea.


20 posted on 11/19/2008 9:21:09 AM PST by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
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