Posted on 11/27/2008 5:48:33 PM PST by TornadoAlley3
A boss who marched a thieving worker to a police station with a placard round his neck has been charged with false imprisonment.
Yet the criminal himself has escaped with just a slap on the wrist.
Simon Cremer took action against Mark Gilbert after learning he had cashed a forged company cheque. He hung a sign reading ‘Thief’ on Gilbert and paraded him past shoppers on a busy high street before handing him to police.
Now, however, officers have decided the thief should receive nothing more than a caution, while throwing the book at 44-year-old Mr Cremer, who thought he was making a citizen’s arrest.
Mr Cremer and three workers from his carpet fitting firm who helped him overpower the sub-contractor have all been charged with false imprisonment – an offence that carries a maximum life term.
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Will the last civilized person to leave Britian please turn off the lights (if you still have electricity) and please please take the nuke codes with you.
Goerge Orwell was right.
Hey, it’s the UK, where such things routinely happen.
What was the “caution”? Not to repeat this offense in the same jurisdiction where the judge might be forced to actually do something?
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Not even surprised, not one tiny, minute, microscopic little bit.
Instead of taking him to the police, they should have marched the thief to that Sharia Court they’ve got going on over there.
Thank God my ancestors had the brains to get out of there 388 years ago. Just another thing to be thankful for!
Bible prophecy:And good will be called evil,and evil,good.
They shoulda at least beat the snot outta him first.
Yeah, uh, he tripped and fell, uh yeah thats what happened...
> Hey, it’s the UK, where such things routinely happen.
You would find quick-smart that if you did that in the US the same thing would happen to you — and you’d also end up with a multi-million dollar lawsuit for your troubles.
If you are going to make a Citizen’s Arrest there is a specific way that it is done, and that would probably vary state-to-state. Here in New Zealand we have to be very careful: it even matters what time of day it is.
We are protected in NZ from criminal liablity if we do our citizen’s arrests properly. We are not protected from civil liability.
Because NZ derived its common law directly from the UK, the rules are likely to be very similar or the same in most cases. Citizens are permitted to arrest, but carefully.
What you would never be permitted to inflict is an extra-judicial punishment such as humiiation on an alleged thief: even in America this guy would have enjoyed the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. It is no different in Britain.
The cops did the correct thing here, 100% full marks. Caution the alleged thief (he’d already been punished) and throw the book at the boss.
> Thank God my ancestors had the brains to get out of there 388 years ago. Just another thing to be thankful for!
If you tried pulling that same stunt in the US you would have the book thrown at you too. Criminal and Civil liability.
> At one time Englishmen were expected to “raise a hue and cry”against thieves and other criminals.
That concept-in-law is called “posse commitatus” — not to be confused with your “Posse Commitatus Law” that prevents your military from policing within the US.
Posse commitatus allows the lord of the manor to raise a hue-and-cry (”posse”) against thieves and other criminals. Its origins is the Magna Carta. And it is still on British law books as a perfectly-good law. I believe that it also applies in New Zealand where I live as it does not appear to be repealed.
What a bunch of pissants and grovellers! It must be a horror living in that vile little country while retaining the slightest bit of human dignity. Anyone who stands up for human decency will be attacked by the ankle-biters. What are they so afraid of? Or it is shame at their sad lives.
So goes the latest news bulletin from the other side of The Looking Glass...
> What a bunch of pissants and grovellers! It must be a horror living in that vile little country while retaining the slightest bit of human dignity. Anyone who stands up for human decency will be attacked by the ankle-biters. What are they so afraid of? Or it is shame at their sad lives.
But... but... but... you would have been unable to do what this guy did without getting the book thrown at you in the US! To say nothing of the lawsuits.
The alleged “thief” is still presumed innocent until proven guilty, so you would not have the right to parade him thru the streets with a sign on his neck: that is called “extra-judicial punishment” and you aren’t allowed to do that — not even in the US.
Citizen’s arrests are very particular procedures: get it wrong and you can be in alot of trouble: even in the US.
I think the UK cops made the right call 100%.
Actually it wouldn't.
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First? Are you saying then take him to the police after the beating and get additional charges against them? Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Beat the snot out of him. Levey a fee against him. And, then tell him if he goes to the police worse will happen. This is going to be masses response to the New World Order.
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