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Judge allows civil suit over co-worker's perfume
DenverPost.com ^ | 11/27/08

Posted on 11/28/2008 3:50:26 PM PST by Oyarsa

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To: Twink

I remember you.

BTW, my daughter accidentally ate a brownie with walnuts at my cousins engagement party last weekend.

A dose of Benadryl and she was fine.


141 posted on 11/29/2008 7:42:05 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: metmom; Eric Blair 2084; JenB; MamaB; Patriotic1; ru4liberty; Nik Naym
metmom knows whereof she speaks. Things were fine at work until “Ginger” was hired. We were friends. Or so I thought.

She had a gorgeous wardrobe and was impeccably groomed. Unfortunately, part of that grooming included a generous dousing of perfume. Whenever she was in my office, I was unable to get enough distance between us. I finally told her that the reason I was moving away from her was because I'm a migraine sufferer and that fragrances are a huge trigger for me. I was as gentle and tactful as I could be in telling her, practically apologizing for taking up space on the planet. Even so, she took this personally. It made her so mad that she started putting on even more perfume. You could smell her down two corridors.

Up to that point, I had missed very little work, but that all changed after she came to work. I would often have to go home to administer an Imitrex injection. I would always try to come back to work if possible.

One day when she saw that I was gone, she asked “Ellie” where I was. Ellie told her that I'd gone home to nurse a migraine, and Ginger said, “You mean she's gone again? How do they let her get away with that?” Uh, hellooooo? YOU are the cause of it and you know you are and yet you have the unmitigated gall to say such a thing?!!?! BTW, this chick professes to be a sister in Christ, but I have experienced more courtesy from heathens than I have from her (and a few other Christians).

Yes sir. metmom definitely knows whereof she speaks.

P.S. After Hurricane Ike, our place of employment took a financial hit, requiring several people to be laid off. I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't happy to see Ginger go. ;)

142 posted on 11/29/2008 7:51:04 PM PST by ru4liberty
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To: factoryrat
If neither party will comply, both should be fired.

The person with the allergy has done nothing wrong. The woman wearing excessive perfume, should be the only one terminated if it comes to that. She is the only one that has control over what is being done.

143 posted on 11/29/2008 8:01:43 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: ru4liberty
As long as you and others like you think your rights trump others' rights, there will be lawsuits.

Thank you

144 posted on 11/29/2008 8:05:14 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: ru4liberty

I never liked Ginger either. I always preferred the demure Mary Ann.

145 posted on 11/29/2008 8:08:06 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: ru4liberty

I have a few suggestions. I assume you are a lady and the “problem” requires more than what men would do.

See, we would have just walked into Bobs cubicle with a Taco Bell Bean Burrito and just farted until he agreed to stop wearing after shave.

Women are much more sinister and subtle.


146 posted on 11/29/2008 8:13:43 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I’m glad your daughter was fine.

When we were in college, my husband (then new boyfriend) ate a snickers, which has peanuts! Since he developed his peanut allergy in his late teens, he had always eaten peanuts, peanut butter, etc. So he decided to chance it and we ended up in the school infirmary (Ritenour, sp) all damn night.

Anyway, since we’ve been married, I never cook with peanut oil, keep the peanut butter cookies away from the other cookies, no chick peas or any legumes, etc. since he’s allergic to those. We were at a wedding and there were chick peas in the salad. His throat closed up, not a pretty sight. He didn’t have any salad with chick peas but the juice caused it.

Bottom line, he doesn’t expect any concessions and manages his allergies. Before we got our own pool we used to belong to a neighborhood pool. The Dad of one of the kids there wanted us not to bring PB&J to the pool because his kid was allergic. I guess he thought the smell of the peanut butter would send his kid into shock or something.


147 posted on 11/29/2008 8:18:52 PM PST by Twink
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I’m no fan of big government and personally, I don’t care much if what I’m doing is ANNOYING people.

However, I do care if it’s harming them.

I guess I just don’t have it in me to be callous enough towards others to be a good libertarian.

Say, for the record, since libertarians think that individual rights trump all, if I feel like blowing away the person whose perfume is harming my health, that would OK right? I mean, why can’t I just go and do what I feel like and demand he get out of the way of my bullet?

My question still hasn’t been answered either. What if I come and pour some chemical agent in a room that sickens people that makes them end up requiring hospitalization or medical treatment? Would I not be charged with assault? How is someone else continuing to do something to me through perfume when they know, not the same?


148 posted on 11/29/2008 8:19:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

ROTF! I was just about to the point that I was desperate enough to try it, but most of us chicks were born without that fart-on-command gene. < sigh >


149 posted on 11/29/2008 8:21:52 PM PST by ru4liberty
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To: ru4liberty

Hostility is not very becoming.

I am so sorry my 8 years here is too little for you. I bow down to your extra 2 years.

Your FreeRepublic About Page has this as its headline:

“The government that can do everything for you is the same government that can do anything to you.”
____________________________________________________

So let me get this straight.
You want the government, or court system or employer to step in and “do something” for you which will take away some other person’s right to smell the way they want.

And if they do do this for you, it just might mean that it will continue us down the slippery slope we are already on.
So it might mean the government then “can do anything to you.”

Sounds like either you believe the government should be our caretakers or you believe something which contradicts your About Page headline.

Think about it.


150 posted on 11/29/2008 8:24:05 PM PST by Aurorales
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To: Twink
The Dad of one of the kids there wanted us not to bring PB&J to the pool because his kid was allergic. I guess he thought the smell of the peanut butter would send his kid into shock or something.

It's his property. He has the right to have it as he wants. That's the libertarian mantra. Why criticize him for it and disparage him like that?

151 posted on 11/29/2008 8:26:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

The pool we all paid to belong to was his property?


152 posted on 11/29/2008 8:28:50 PM PST by Twink
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To: ru4liberty
That's why you have friends at work who are men.

See, men are good for something other than moving furniture. Put us to work for what we are good for. We're naturals. It's the way God made us. Send us into her cubicle armed to the teeth (you have to pay for the Taco Bell bean burrito but it will be money well spent)....

I guarantee you that Ginger, or whatever her name is will stop wearing perfume once we are through with her. Problem solved.

153 posted on 11/29/2008 8:31:14 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Patriotic1

I am highly allergic to perfumes, scented candles, wood and leaf burning smoke, and other strong fragrances. My nasal passages swell; my throat closes; the drainage starts, and I inevitably get bronchitis (and have gotten pneumonia twice). So I can’t be around anyone wearing strong perfume. However I too would never consider suing as that just never crosses my mind either. But then again, if I had to work next to someone who was always causing my sickness, I don’t really know what I’d do. I am a teacher, and I do make it a classroom rule that no perfumes, body sprays, or lotions can be put on before or during my class. If they have it on, they have to wash it off or sit out in the hallway.


154 posted on 11/29/2008 8:43:46 PM PST by ladymac
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To: Aurorales
Hostility is not very becoming.

Then why do you insist on exhibiting it?

So let me get this straight. You want the government, or court system or employer to step in and “do something” for you which will take away some other person’s right to smell the way they want.

No, it's not want I want. I hate that people are so in love with their "right" to wear fragrances that they threaten someone else's ability to be gainfully employed. What I want is to be able to work in an environment that doesn't make me sick. Working is my only means of support, so you will have to excuse the fact that I get passionate when my ability to work is threatened. I frankly don't care what you or any of my co-workers smell like after hours. Just let me get a full day's work in, and I'll go home and get out of everybody's way.

Let me explain it to you this way. If I don't work, my only option is to go on the dole. I never aspired to be a welfare recipient, so if getting a court to decree or a government law to demand that an employer must make reasonable accommodations to provide a non-hostile workplace, then I'll have to settle for that.

Since you have stated time and again that you will wear what you want when you want where you want knowing full well the effect it could have on another, what do you think the solution should be if not a court or government?

155 posted on 11/29/2008 8:46:40 PM PST by ru4liberty
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To: verga

In a sane world, I would tell the person wearing too much perfume to knock it off, you’re smogging everybody out, and everybody would breathe better as a result. But in P.C. bizarro world, I have to balance the desire of one individual’s desire to bathe in perfume against one’s allergy to such odors. The P.C. zero tolerance solution is to get rid of both problems. I would rather like to see an agreeable solution between both parties, especially if both are valuable to the company. I don’t mean to rattle anyone’s cages, but this seems to be the current paradigm:
Eliminate any source of contention, regardless of the cost.


156 posted on 11/29/2008 8:47:26 PM PST by factoryrat (Better living through American Industrial Might.)
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To: metmom
Now you are getting the hang of this libertarian thing! I'm proud of you.

You don't have to use a 9mm Glock. Be smart. Ask a dude in your office armed with a more potent weapon to do your dirty work. He'll be happy to oblige. The offending woman will never touch perfume again. I promise.


157 posted on 11/29/2008 8:53:28 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Twink

We solved this “problem” without Gubmint help.


158 posted on 11/29/2008 9:07:20 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: beandog
The smell of coffee makes me nauseous and gives me headaches.

Me too, but perfume sticks start an allergic chain reaction that puts me in an asthmatic state with really bad congestion.

We're in the middle of this fight right now at work while the suite is being redone. It's not an easy one, either, to ask someone to give up a comfort so that the rest of us can breathe. It's a battle we constantly fight in choirs and choruses, too. And there's no excuse for singers to wear the stuff.

Seriously, if people would just think of others now and then.

159 posted on 11/29/2008 9:22:06 PM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: Desdemona
See above. Send the Baritones in your choir armed with bean burritos to take on the Sopranos.


160 posted on 11/29/2008 10:14:19 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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