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Automakers gearing up for electric cars
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram ^ | December 5, 2008 | Renee Schoof

Posted on 12/04/2008 11:56:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Kickass Conservative

What’s wrong with issuing a challenge for better fuel efficiency? Do you want to go back to the 5/10 mpg cars of the 60s? All those got hit BAAAADDLY during the 70s oil shock. And car makers learnt to make more efficient and yet more powerful cars.


41 posted on 12/05/2008 4:18:25 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: verklaring; Spktyr
While we are at it, when do they make electric: trucks, Semi tractors, farm tractors, harvesters, dump trucks, road graders, airplanes, ships etc. For that matter, when do they come out with an electric RV motor home, or fifth wheel tow vehicle

Because it doesn't make sense to have an electric harvester or a farm tractor. Do you really equate your city driven car with those vehicles? Sheesh --- everything has a place. And for inner city driving, an electric car is perfect. For a farm-tractor it doesn't make sense, and neither would it make sense to have a farm tractor to drive around LA.
42 posted on 12/05/2008 4:21:27 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: verklaring
Also what do they make oil derivatives from, or related components, such as tires, nylon, plastic etc. You know, the saline bags in the hospitals, surgical tubing. or for that matter aspirin and other pharmaceuticals. Do they make this out of (thin) air through a wind turbine or from solar panels.

Everything has it's place -- oil is needed, but where we can make do with other fuels or where other fuels make more sense, then why use oil? You like gas engines, fine, buy 'em. I guess you would be more of a petrol head like me who likes driving his bike and going off-roading. For those activities, the IC is good. But for me to get around the city I take public transport or walk or cycle. For each thing there is a purpose remember.
43 posted on 12/05/2008 4:24:00 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: ari-freedom
oh we also need more electricity. a lot of it comes from coal.

And, there will have to be significant enhancements to the grid to handle the additional load of a significant amount of the fleet going electric. Another thing to consider is what happens when there is an earthquake or an ice storm or a hurricane and there is no electricity for a week or more? I suppose everything comes to a screeching halt.

44 posted on 12/05/2008 4:26:25 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Don’t recall a lot of plugs in my apt. bldg parking lot. And what about the power grid?


45 posted on 12/05/2008 4:32:25 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dumbing down of America, Part 2.

Electric cars go 40 miles and then sit around a few hours being charged. The exhaust eliminated is actually belched out at the electric company’s power plant.

This is one more year the Democrats won’t get the Albert Einstein Intelligence ward.


46 posted on 12/05/2008 4:34:31 AM PST by RoadTest (By their fruits shall ye know them.)
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To: mvpel

Since there are 44.6 million shares outstanding I would hardly think a $50,000 to $100,000 investment would make her a major holder.


47 posted on 12/05/2008 4:36:48 AM PST by Racer1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lessee, we’re gearing up for lil’ electric toy cars, Obama is destroying the coal (and oil) industry which supplies electricity and other fuels, this is gonna be entertaining.

Our neighbors and we are in agreement to utilize combined pasturage as a woodlot, gardening and for a few horses so one way or the other we’re going to stay a step ahead of the fascist liberals, that is until they drive our horses to the glue factory with flatulance taxes, not to mention fireplace bans and home garden tariffs (we would be in competition with produce retailers you see)....

Lordy, these people are hopelessly insane—and dangerous.


48 posted on 12/05/2008 4:38:23 AM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: All
No one has mentioned what this recharge will cost. And certainly it will be at a different rate...We all know how that trick works...

and it will certainly have an added tax because the power grid will have to be expanded and supported and roads have to be kept up.

If you get 40 miles on a "fill up, it means plugging the thing in almost every day.

So here in NY, where it's 23 degrees right now, I have to go out and fiddle with my car BESIDES scraping the windshield and waiting for the thing to warm up.

Something about...If it works, don't fix it...DRILL, DRILL, DRILL

49 posted on 12/05/2008 4:41:08 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: napscoordinator

After almost purchasing Toyotas twice in my life, I finally had enough of American car repair bills and bought a 3 year old Toyota a year and a half ago, and have not had any repair expense whatsoever with it. It could not be more reliable so far, and I couldn’t be happier with it. I’ll prolly be sticking with Toyotas from here on out.

My sister, her hubby and daughters, I have watched all driving Hondas for decades, and running them up to in excess of 150K with very low maintenance.


50 posted on 12/05/2008 4:41:27 AM PST by webschooner
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To: gleeaikin

wind harvesting is fun - until 2-4ft shards of ice start breaking off the windmill blades and become airborne :)


51 posted on 12/05/2008 4:46:46 AM PST by blueplum
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To: Darkwolf377
roomy, speedy, gasoline-free models that charge up at a standard 110-volt socket.
Not to mention the personal spaceship, the jetpack, and free healthcare in popsicle form.

And I would like a free house on the beach with a cheerful supermodel always in attendance, thank you very much Deer Leeder (said as he genuflects to the East toward Warshinktun)

52 posted on 12/05/2008 4:51:33 AM PST by webschooner
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To: gotribe
Does anyone know if there is a ranking of countries by Freedom? I’d like to know which countries offer me the most financial freedom - lowest taxes, smallest government, lowest government debt, fewest penalties for spending money on whatever I want.

American expatriates who reside abroad are still liable to the IRS for income taxes, the same as if they lived in the US.

Having said that, my wife and I are still considering moving somewhere overseas as an option, if our freedoms get pinched badly enough here.

53 posted on 12/05/2008 4:59:49 AM PST by webschooner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Electric cars will not become viable until ultracapacitor batteries becomes practical for electric car use--this will probably happen by 2011-2012 time frame.

The most likely change is the switch to plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV's) using essentially today's hybrid drivetrains with a much more powerful battery pack, probably using the ultracapacitor technology I mentioned. This would allow all-electric operation up to 80 km (50 miles) and standard hybrid operation after that. For example, I've read that the next-generation Toyota Prius and the new Honda Insight are designed so it the manufacturer could "drop in" a full PHEV drivetrain in a few years.

54 posted on 12/05/2008 5:04:43 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: gotribe

Without doing any research, I would say Poland. But Obama wants you here to suck your hard earned money away. Sorry, you have to stay.


55 posted on 12/05/2008 5:12:34 AM PST by reaganbooster
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To: cyberslave
The problem will be infrastructure to support the Volt when it makes it to work. Where are you going to plug it in ?

The volt is not pure electric. It comes with a gasoline engine and generator to charge the batteries when distance traveled is beyond pure electric range. Estimates of 400 miles before another 8~9 gallons of gasoline would be required.

56 posted on 12/05/2008 5:24:27 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...gasoline-free models that charge up at a standard 110-volt socket...

If they think it is expensive to run the air conditioner, just wait until they start charging these things!

57 posted on 12/05/2008 5:26:30 AM PST by GingisK
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To: thackney

well that is just silly as a product.

Why buy a shrimpy unsaft TINY slow moving ecconobox which needs 8-9 gallons every alleged 400 mile range when you can buy a six cylinder NORMAL sized decent speed moving vehilce that does the SAME THING.


58 posted on 12/05/2008 5:28:53 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: RayChuang88

the japanese have zero reliabilty for backwards compatability.


59 posted on 12/05/2008 5:31:01 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: cyberslave
Where are you going to plug it in ?

Especially after Joe Biden "bankrupts" the coal industry.

60 posted on 12/05/2008 5:32:29 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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