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Posted on 12/05/2008 4:15:08 AM PST by FocusNexus
Even so, you still have to feel the same bad feeling that we are the last generation of the Great American Experiment. The snakes that we have as our governmental head are poisonous to Liberty, Justice and the old American way.
Also, as far as Obama and the State of Hawaii is concerned, the birth certificate is out there, and the document is, as it says on the bottom, prima facie proof of his birth in Hawaii (and was good enough for the State Department to issue him a passport). That a distinct number on the fringe won't accept it, for whatever reason, does not to my mind rebut that prima facie case. That's where we veer off into tinfoilhatland.
The Donofrio petition is laughable, but I will say it raises the academically interesting question of what did the Framers mean by "natural born citizen." I would not, however, agree with Donofrio's argument that because the 14th Amendment does not use the term "natural born citizen," that term necessarily excludes anyone born in the United States who has a non-citizen for one of his parents. I doubt that SCOTUS would agree, either, or would even consider the matter, let alone take the case and then construe that phrase in the manner suggested by Donofrio, thus overturning a presidential election.
One parent born in Santa Monica, California (with a public Birth Certificate) and one born in Grosse Pointe, Michigan (with a public Birth Certificate). End of story.
As long as both parents are US Citizens, the child is automatically a "Native Born US Citizen, regardless of the country of the actual birth.
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I tuned in for that part of his show also. I was disgusted by his statement. It sounded transparently phoney,and like he was following the directives of someone of influence.
One does not have to be personally acquainted with them. Reading their pleadings and briefs is quite enough.
Also, as far as Obama and the State of Hawaii is concerned, the birth certificate is out there, and the document is, as it says on the bottom, prima facie proof of his birth in Hawaii (and was good enough for the State Department to issue him a passport). That a distinct number on the fringe won't accept it, for whatever reason, does not to my mind rebut that prima facie case. That's where we veer off into tinfoilhatland.
The Donofrio petition is laughable, but I will say it raises the academically interesting question of what did the Framers mean by "natural born citizen." I would not, however, agree with Donofrio's argument that because the 14th Amendment does not use the term "natural born citizen," that term necessarily excludes anyone born in the United States who has a non-citizen for one of his parents. I doubt that SCOTUS would agree, either, or would even consider the matter, let alone take the case and then construe that phrase in the manner suggested by Donofrio, thus overturning a presidential election.
Then how come Obama hires lawyers to keep anyone from seeing his birth certificate?
John McCain had some questions about his eligibility and whipped out his birth certificate and other proof very quickly
McCain was born in a military hospital either in the Canal Zone or just outside
This complicated matters
it seems to me that each state has the authority and duty and I wouldn’t be surprised if SCOTUS hot-potatoes this back down from national level to state level. A review of each states’ applicable laws are in order.
Also, I thought it curious that TeamObama recently announced they are already in the process of setting up forward offices in numerous states focused on targeting Secretary of State positions - odd announcement, odd timing, or connecting dots we don’t see yet?
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quick examples:
Alabama: no info on presidential, but senatorial and representive qualifications refer back to COTUS, Article 1.
Georgia: Each candidate is required to file an affidavit which states that he or she is eligible to
hold the office for which he or she is running. See O.C.G.A. §§ 21-2-132 (e), 21-2-153(e).
Montana: Title 13: 13-10-404. Placement of candidate on primary ballot — methods of qualification. Before an individual intending to qualify as a presidential candidate may qualify for placement on the ballot, the individual shall qualify ....(2) The individual has submitted a declaration for nomination to the secretary of state pursuant to 13-10-201, and the secretary of state has determined, by the time that declarations for nomination are to be filed, that the individual is eligible to receive payments pursuant to the federal Presidential Primary Matching Payment Account Act, 26 U.S.C. 9031, et seq.
Oregon election law: Title 23: 246.046 Secretary of State and county clerks to seek out evidence of violations. The Secretary of State and each county clerk shall diligently seek out any evidence of violation of any election law. [Formerly 260.325]
and Chapter 249, 249.031 Contents of petition or declaration. (1) (f) A statement that the candidate will qualify if elected.
gleaned from FR threads, typical penalties:
California Election Code Section 18203, which states, “Any person who files or submits for filing a nomination paper or declaration of candidacy that it or any part of it has been made falsely is punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000.00) or by imprisonment in the state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by both fine and imprisonment”.
California Elections Code Section 18500 that states,“Any person who commits fraud and any person who aids or abets fraud or attempts to aid or abet fraud, in connection with any vote cast, to be cast, or attempted to be cast, is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for 16 months or two or three years”.
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