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To: xcamel

Don’t you guys ever tire of bashing Ethanol?

We grow it.

It’s a major factor in keeping gas prices low.

We need the competition.

If our new president wants to actually revolutionize the way we do energy, and fix the auto industry in one striking move - he could get everyone at the table to agree that henceforth, all US vehicles would be flex-fuel.

That’s all it would take.

The market will sort things out from there.

Rather quickly, I would think. :)


13 posted on 12/06/2008 9:24:35 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Free Trade" = Fire Americans. Buy another company then fire more Americans.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

But at this time, the market is not being permitted to work things out. For that to be happening, I would have to have the option to purchase no-ethanol fuel - - but I can’t because of a command-and-control Federal mandate. Even better, I would have the option to purchase 90-10 made from sugar cane or 90-10 made from corn; I would buy the sugar cane brew, but for political reasons I’m not likely to have that option any time soon.

So, competition, my foot.


16 posted on 12/06/2008 9:31:26 AM PST by jay1949 (Work is the curse of the blogging class)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
The market will sort things out from there.

Why does the market need a hand from the government? Can't the market start sorting right here, right now?

24 posted on 12/06/2008 9:52:09 AM PST by groanup
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
How do you figure it competition when corn based ethanol costs substantially more to produce?

How is government mandate competition?

How are heavy government subsidies competition?

If allowed, the USA’s oil industry could become a net exporter of oil, but is prevented by the federal government; how is that competitive?

Do you work for AIG or farm corn?

48 posted on 12/06/2008 10:56:01 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; All
Don’t you guys ever tire of bashing Ethanol? We grow it. It’s a major factor in keeping gas prices low. We need the competition. If our new president wants to actually revolutionize the way we do energy, and fix the auto industry in one striking move - he could get everyone at the table to agree that henceforth, all US vehicles would be flex-fuel. That’s all it would take. The market will sort things out from there. Rather quickly, I would think. :)

Ethanol is subsidized, it does not keep fuel prices down. If the real price of it was added to the cost of gas we would be paying even more at the pump. As it is we pay anyway in increased taxes due to subsidies.

There are several other things wrong with what you say but I will simply state that the real solution for energy independence in this country is to drill our oil and use it. We have Billions of barrels yet untapped but we refuse to use it. Also there is the matter of oil shale and coal that we should be tapping but don't.

Not only that Bozo is seriously considering bankrupting the coal industry and ruining the product that produces half of our electricity while demanding that electric cars be built.

Talk about one stupid idea after another, ethanol, over taxing fuel, failing to drill, imposing idiotic enviro laws on our energy industries, refusing to build nukes and now ruining the coal industry. Oh, yeah, the dems have the way to go all right, but the point is their way leads to hell and not to any useful destination.

Oh, yeah, one more thing, no we don't get tired of bashing a stupid idea, and ethanol is stupid. Using our food for fuel when we have so much oil yet untapped in this country is simply stupid, no other word for it. Yes, we grow it alright but we can't eat ethanol and we grow it with a reduction in food stores and an increase in food prices.

53 posted on 12/06/2008 11:49:46 AM PST by calex59
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Ethanol is $1.40 right now; gasoline is $0.90; both are per gallon wholesale prices.


54 posted on 12/06/2008 12:00:27 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
No, we grow FOOD, not fuel.

Putting corn in your tank is as stupid as drinking Drano for a laxative.

It is no factor in keeping prices low, in fact, it is exactly the reverse.

Take off the farm welfare subsidies, and ethanol will disappear overnight.

BioDiesel, now that is an entirely different story.

58 posted on 12/06/2008 12:14:28 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

all US vehicles would be flex-fuel.

Patent BS on the order of global warming and a few other scams. Not to say it doesn’t provide jobs and a use for abundant corn, however, as a fuel additive it gives leftists cause to make statements like we are running out of oil, and other such stuff that is more patent BS.

Stick to gasoline, and lets not muddy the water with additives that do very little if anything to solve the mythical crisis of no oil. Just look at how far the left is willing to go to prove a point as yet unproven, that we are in a crisis of what?

Carbon credits, laughable, a nation of electric cars with unintended consequences as yet unidentified, although there is plenty of information on how long it will take to make people change from what they need to what the left demands.

The real crisis is congress and meddling government. Carbon dioxide a pollutant? You can’t make this stuff up, the inmates are attempting to run the asylum and are doing a bang up job of convincing the American people that the cause is actually the solution. Meanwhile the economy and the automobile industry among others is in the tank and on the take.

I could go on but I have a gun show to attend.


64 posted on 12/06/2008 1:36:14 PM PST by wita
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