Posted on 12/06/2008 9:32:07 AM PST by dennisw
| On December 5th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, rotarymunkey said:
Ronald Reagan said “Trust, but verify.” 1. Barack Obama II, the Senator, was born of a British subject and an American citizen. Period. This grants him, at birth, Dual Citizenship. 2. “Natural-Born” is codified as meaning “born of two U.S. Citizens on U.S. soil”. Period. By these standards, set forth by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, and by treaty with Britain, Barack Obama II is not, and can never be, a “Natural-born citizen”. This is the core of Donofrio’s case, and it’s based in solid law, which is why Justice Thomas saw merit in reviewing it. If they do not rule on this case, it opens the door to a host of lawsuits claiming later that any law signed by a President Obama could be challenged in court. They have to rule on it, although they do not necessarily have to find in Donofrio’s favor. It is misleading for Michelle to associate Donofrio’s case with Berg’s as she attempts to discredit Donofrio with Berg’s nutroots blathering about 9/11. Donofrio doesn’t ask for Obama’s State of Hawaii Birth Certificate because it isn’t needed. He has instead, challenged the certification of Barack Obama as a candidate by the Secretary of State in New Jersey. And, on this point, he’s right. As a citizen of that state he has the right to challenge on this point. Michelle’s misconstruence of the various points involved is NOT typical of her thorough reporting. In essence, she fired from the hip like the MSM is doing currently on this issue. Ed over at Hot Air did the same thing yesterday. If 4 of the 9 justices agree to hear this case, they might issue a stay on the vote of the Electoral College in order to have time to hear both sides of the case fully, which makes it VERY BIG NEWS indeed. Donofrio also points out, correctly, that John McCain is not a “Natural-Born Citizen” either, as the base where he was born was NOT U.S. soil, as per the military’s own definition. Yes, both of McCain’s parents were U.S. Citizens at the time of his birth, but the Constitution and immigration law is quite clear in stating that “U.S. soil” is a hard and fast requirement. Evidently the base in Panama was leased, which makes ownership of the land Panamanian. Their citizenship does, however, make him an “American citizen”. He is not “Natural-Born”. This is NOT a conspiracy theory. It is Constitutional law, which falls under the purveyance of SCOTUS. Judge Thomas would not, as a conservative, I believe, hold a grudge against Sen. Obama for his comments during the campaign. The fact of the matter is, Sen. Obama is not eligible, by nature of his British birthright, for the Presidency of the United States. Everything in his life which came after his birth is moot. Reagan had it right… “Trust, but verify.” _______________________________ On December 5th, 2008 at 2:52 pm, ymunkey said:
I’ve got to say that I did a LOT of reading yesterday. I was following Berg’s case to SCOTUS, and was unaware of the others, including Donofrio. I must have read somewhere around 1000 comments on a few different websites, with opinions running both ways. Legalese is a formidable language but Donofrio’s website does a good job of distilling the basics of the case. One comment was a little disturbing though. Evidently in light of Donofrio’s council today at SCOTUS, there are some Secretaries of State around the country now looking into this matter on a CYA basis! If they are proven culpable for having not properly done their job and independently vetted each candidate, then there could be serious legal or professional employment repercussions. For public employees in a rough market, losing one’s job is scary to contemplate. On the other hand, there’s Kool-aid drinker Sen. Mel Martinez claiming that Sen. Obama was vetted twice, once in the Primaries, and once in the General Election, by the People, of all things! Could a stupider statement be uttered by an elected official? Clearly he does not understand the issue at heart. Donofrio’s case began quite some time ago and has slowly worked its way up through Mr. Donofrio’s persistance and knowledgeable application of the law. For a retiree, he’s doing pretty damn well up to this point. If SCOTUS decides to hear this case, this will go down as one of the most important points in American History. The only thing Barack Obama could possibly do at this point is to release a Birth Certificate showing that Obama Sr. was not really his dad. I’ve looked at the family photos; that’s just not possible. Sen. Obama’s appearance is a chip off the old block for sure. For any of the other numerous cases (I’ve read 15, but haven’t researched that number yet) to be heard, this one single point must first be decided. It doesn’t matter that he later held a Kenyan citizenship, or was adopted by an Indonesian parent, or traveled to Pakistan on someone’s NON-US-ISSUED passport (a violation of his US Citizenship, by law too). None of that matters one whit if the court finds that he truly has, by right of birth, British Citizenship. As Michelle Obama famously said, “I’m not aware of any law which would prevent my husband from being President.” I guess an Ivy League law degree doesn’t buy as much as it used to, eh? Did anyone else note that the Factcheck.org COLB lists his mother’s MAIDEN name, not her “married” name on it? Two or three photos farther down, the newspaper notice of birth lists “Mr and Mrs. Barack Obama” and was supposedly posted by Ann’s white parents. Would white parents in 1961 be thrilled enough to list their daughter as married to a black man, or was the COLB in fact, correct in listing them as UNMARRIED? How many millions of people have looked at these photos now and NOT noticed this inconsistency? It doesn’t matter in the end. British law bequeaths citizenship through the father. It’s just one more point which shows that someone didn’t cross all their “t”s or dot their “i”s properly during the creation of the COLB. If it is indeed ruled that Barack Obama is a Dual Citizenship person, then does his misbehavior, and that of those around him become a matter which could/would/should be investigated by the FBI? The FBI which WOULD have the power to open his sealed records in order to ascertain exactly WHY they were sealed in the first place? $650 million dollars in campaign donations is a LOT of fraudulent money!
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BTW This guy says John McCain was ineligible too. Could not be President.
Ronald Reagan said “Trust, but verify.”
1. Barack Obama II, the Senator, was born of a British subject and an American citizen. Period. This grants him, at birth, Dual Citizenship.
2. “Natural-Born” is codified as meaning “born of two U.S. Citizens on U.S. soil”. Period.
By these standards, set forth by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, and by treaty with Britain, Barack Obama II is not, and can never be, a “Natural-born citizen”.
This is the core of Donofrio’s case, and it’s based in solid law, which is why Justice Thomas saw merit in reviewing it. If they do not rule on this case, it opens the door to a host of lawsuits claiming later that any law signed by a President Obama could be challenged in court. They have to rule on it, although they do not necessarily have to find in Donofrio’s favor.
It is misleading for Michelle to associate Donofrio’s case with Berg’s as she attempts to discredit Donofrio with Berg’s nutroots blathering about 9/11. Donofrio doesn’t ask for Obama’s State of Hawaii Birth Certificate because it isn’t needed. He has instead, challenged the certification of Barack Obama as a candidate by the Secretary of State in New Jersey. And, on this point, he’s right. As a citizen of that state he has the right to challenge on this point. Michelle’s misconstruence of the various points involved is NOT typical of her thorough reporting. In essence, she fired from the hip like the MSM is doing currently on this issue. Ed over at Hot Air did the same thing yesterday.
If 4 of the 9 justices agree to hear this case, they might issue a stay on the vote of the Electoral College in order to have time to hear both sides of the case fully, which makes it VERY BIG NEWS indeed.
Donofrio also points out, correctly, that John McCain is not a “Natural-Born Citizen” either, as the base where he was born was NOT U.S. soil, as per the military’s own definition. Yes, both of McCain’s parents were U.S. Citizens at the time of his birth, but the Constitution and immigration law is quite clear in stating that “U.S. soil” is a hard and fast requirement. Evidently the base in Panama was leased, which makes ownership of the land Panamanian. Their citizenship does, however, make him an “American citizen”. He is not “Natural-Born”.
This is NOT a conspiracy theory. It is Constitutional law, which falls under the purveyance of SCOTUS. Judge Thomas would not, as a conservative, I believe, hold a grudge against Sen. Obama for his comments during the campaign. The fact of the matter is, Sen. Obama is not eligible, by nature of his British birthright, for the Presidency of the United States.
Everything in his life which came after his birth is moot.
Reagan had it right… “Trust, but verify.”
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On December 5th, 2008 at 2:52 pm, ymunkey said:
I’ve got to say that I did a LOT of reading yesterday. I was following Berg’s case to SCOTUS, and was unaware of the others, including Donofrio. I must have read somewhere around 1000 comments on a few different websites, with opinions running both ways. Legalese is a formidable language but Donofrio’s website does a good job of distilling the basics of the case.
One comment was a little disturbing though. Evidently in light of Donofrio’s council today at SCOTUS, there are some Secretaries of State around the country now looking into this matter on a CYA basis! If they are proven culpable for having not properly done their job and independently vetted each candidate, then there could be serious legal or professional employment repercussions. For public employees in a rough market, losing one’s job is scary to contemplate.
On the other hand, there’s Kool-aid drinker Sen. Mel Martinez claiming that Sen. Obama was vetted twice, once in the Primaries, and once in the General Election, by the People, of all things! Could a stupider statement be uttered by an elected official? Clearly he does not understand the issue at heart.
Donofrio’s case began quite some time ago and has slowly worked its way up through Mr. Donofrio’s persistance and knowledgeable application of the law. For a retiree, he’s doing pretty damn well up to this point.
If SCOTUS decides to hear this case, this will go down as one of the most important points in American History.
The only thing Barack Obama could possibly do at this point is to release a Birth Certificate showing that Obama Sr. was not really his dad. I’ve looked at the family photos; that’s just not possible. Sen. Obama’s appearance is a chip off the old block for sure.
For any of the other numerous cases (I’ve read 15, but haven’t researched that number yet) to be heard, this one single point must first be decided. It doesn’t matter that he later held a Kenyan citizenship, or was adopted by an Indonesian parent, or traveled to Pakistan on someone’s NON-US-ISSUED passport (a violation of his US Citizenship, by law too). None of that matters one whit if the court finds that he truly has, by right of birth, British Citizenship.
As Michelle Obama famously said, “I’m not aware of any law which would prevent my husband from being President.” I guess an Ivy League law degree doesn’t buy as much as it used to, eh?
Did anyone else note that the Factcheck.org COLB lists his mother’s MAIDEN name, not her “married” name on it? Two or three photos farther down, the newspaper notice of birth lists “Mr and Mrs. Barack Obama” and was supposedly posted by Ann’s white parents. Would white parents in 1961 be thrilled enough to list their daughter as married to a black man, or was the COLB in fact, correct in listing them as UNMARRIED? How many millions of people have looked at these photos now and NOT noticed this inconsistency?
It doesn’t matter in the end. British law bequeaths citizenship through the father. It’s just one more point which shows that someone didn’t cross all their “t”s or dot their “i”s properly during the creation of the COLB.
If it is indeed ruled that Barack Obama is a Dual Citizenship person, then does his misbehavior, and that of those around him become a matter which could/would/should be investigated by the FBI?
The FBI which WOULD have the power to open his sealed records in order to ascertain exactly WHY they were sealed in the first place? $650 million dollars in campaign donations is a LOT of fraudulent money!
THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING
Lets roll!
pictures please.
So does this mean we'll have another election?
McCain's BC was cleared as legit in the courts long ago.
Wasn't John born on a military base in Panama to American parents? Then there shouldn't be any doubts about John's citizenship...
I'm been hearing a lot about the question of Obama's citizenship. Let's suppose this issue was before the Supreme Court... and they ruled... since Obama cannot prove his citizenship he will be stripped of the Presidency... what happens next? John becomes President? Or the Senate which is controlled by the Democrats decide? Does this mean Hillary still has a chance?
Show me.
No.
It just means they aren't going to let any law stop them.
I think this guy makes a lot of sense. The most I have read so far. I listened to Leo D. last night and he is very clear in making his points.
Thanks guys. Anything that brings more clarity to this issue, is good.
Nice catch DennisW. Nice work Jeff.
Thank you for your clarity and work for us.
I’m am keeping your post for future reference.
#2 I have no reference but I think I read that McCain was born in a Panamanian hospital off the base. That would definitely be foreign soil
BHO will shift to Plan B. Let’s see, how many US citizens were rumored to be his father? Maybe that is the reason his BC is hidden?
Of possible interest to your list.
I believe that’s why the SCOTUS see merit in Leo’s case. It would not be right if they pushed it aside for political reasons.
MM “And they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being part and parcel of the grand plan to install Emperor Obama and usurp the rule of law.” at link:
File this under “Going no where” fast. This would be poison if it was going someplace. Are some of us so Desperate now we think we can NEVER win elections again to do this?
What court? McCain probably in not naturalized and is probably not eligible and Obama is surely not eligble. McCain should have known and should not have run. Because of him, we did not get a more conservative candidate. We essentially got two frauds in the election. We might have gotten Fred Thompson or Mitt. Mitt is not a conservative but he is more conservative than McCain.
McCain showed his normal stripes sucking up to Obama after the election with his RINO pal Lindsay Graham.
Also McCain’s stupid McCain-Feingold law hurt him in the election. McCain’s service in the military was incredibly honorable, his RINO actions in the Senate have been disgraceful.
The point he was making about McCain had nothing to do with the BC, but rather with the definition of "natural born": both parents citizens (yes), born on U.S. soil (no).
At this point, to prevent blood on the streets, the Supremes just might have to declare the Constitution unconstitutional.
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