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How McCain and Palin hurt Republicans on immigration
The Star-Ledger, Newark, NJ ^ | 2008-12-12 | Paul Mulshine

Posted on 12/12/2008 3:54:30 PM PST by rabscuttle385

I just got a press release from a liberal pressure group called America's Voice headlined "Anti-Immigration Ads Don't Add Up in 2008."

The group tried to make the same point that I've heard over and over again from amnesty advocates: The voters won't go for candidates who support immigration restrictions.

"A new analysis of immigration advertisements finds that the strategy of using immigration as a political wedge issue in the 2008 election cycle was an utter failure," the release stated.

Nonsense. What the voters won't go for is candidates who try to work both sides of the issue, such John McCain and Sarah Palin.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.nj.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; amnesty; elections; hispandering; hispanicvote; immigrantlist; immigration; latinovote; mcbama; mccain; mccainpalin; mccaintruthfile; mcqueeg; palin; rino; shamnesty

1 posted on 12/12/2008 3:54:31 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 12/12/2008 3:54:55 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

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3 posted on 12/12/2008 3:55:43 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

I don’t remember immigration being an issue in 2008. Once the market crashed and the bailout happened, the economy was the one and only issue, and McCain flubbed it.


4 posted on 12/12/2008 3:56:16 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: rabscuttle385

Mulshine is a serious Palin hater.

I’m ignoring him from now on, along with Parker, Noonan, and Frum. They all need to find a new profession.


5 posted on 12/12/2008 3:58:07 PM PST by devere
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To: rabscuttle385

I don’t think the writer is being quite fair by claiming that Palin, with McCain, is pro-amnesty.


6 posted on 12/12/2008 3:59:06 PM PST by skeeter
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To: rabscuttle385

If I recall correctly, McCain is pro-immigration. I don’t remember Palin ever saying one thing about illegal immigration.


7 posted on 12/12/2008 4:00:23 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: rabscuttle385

I don’t recall Palin having much anything to say regarding immigration. We all know where McIdiot stood on the issue.


8 posted on 12/12/2008 4:00:43 PM PST by KoRn
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To: skeeter; TADSLOS
Perhaps you don't remember how Palin gave an interview to Univision in which she more or less backed amnesty for illegals.
9 posted on 12/12/2008 4:01:22 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

There was a report a couple of days ago that implied that immigration reform is going to the back burner because of the current economic (and employment losses) climate.

That may be semi good news.

Like with Bush 2, he tried to get amnesty passed in 2002, but the climate after the 911 attacks did not lend itself to Comprehensive Immigration. Then, of course, Bush tried again in 2006 but the House stopped that one. And again, twice in 2007, when the public melted down the Senate switchboard with opposition phone calls.

With unemployment hitting 15 year highs, it will be difficult for the Obama admin to say we have unfilled jobs Americans won’t do [unless they are UAW, of course (lol)].


10 posted on 12/12/2008 4:03:13 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: rabscuttle385
I don't see that anywhere in the transcript you provided.
11 posted on 12/12/2008 4:04:25 PM PST by skeeter
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To: rabscuttle385
the strategy of using immigration as a political wedge issue in the 2008 election cycle was an utter failure

Actually, we don't know that, because McCain is an Open Borders guy, and Palin avoided the subject.

12 posted on 12/12/2008 4:07:31 PM PST by marron
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To: rabscuttle385

She seemed to be straddling the line frankly.


13 posted on 12/12/2008 4:09:36 PM PST by redk
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To: rabscuttle385
How McCain and Palin hurt Republicans on immigration

True for the wrong reason - although I know nothing about palin.

The hurt? McCain/Kennedy.

14 posted on 12/12/2008 4:09:52 PM PST by bill1952 (McCain and the GOP were worthless)
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To: rabscuttle385
Cease with maligning Governor Palin.
15 posted on 12/12/2008 4:13:51 PM PST by jla (Sarah!)
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To: jla

Sarah gave one interview with Univision echoing McCain’s stance. anybody who knows anybody about politics knows the VP has to be lockstep with her boss, even though she might not totally agree with his position. Now I know you cynics out there will now resort to calling Sarah a hypocrite but that’s the way Presidential politics has always been played and will continue to played in the future.


16 posted on 12/12/2008 4:20:22 PM PST by techno
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To: rabscuttle385

“How McCain and Palin hurt Republicans on immigration”

McCain hurt Republicans on immigration by being a multi-year, shameless panderer to Hispanics, and by working with Kennedy and other open borders types to try and force an amnesty bill on the US citizens.

Immigration was not an issue in the general election because both McCain and Obama are big time panderers. The main difference is, illegals are natural Democrat constituents, so Obama helped himself while McCain, along with W and Rove, perpetrated one of the most stupid and harmful pandering gambits in US political history: insulted and alienated most Republicans and will ultimately significantly increase the Dem. voter base.


17 posted on 12/12/2008 4:20:39 PM PST by Will88
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To: St. Louis Conservative

What could McCain say about immigration that would make a conservative want to vote for him? It was best that he was silent on the issue.

His claims of having a change of heart and wanting to secure the border rang hollow for anybody that fought against McCain/Kennedy.

Likewise, Global Warning was an issue on which Republicans were unable to attack the Democrats.

The GOP ought to do something to correct way they select their candidate.


18 posted on 12/12/2008 4:24:18 PM PST by incredulous joe ("No road is long with good company. " - Turkish Proverb)
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To: rabscuttle385

Yep. Gum flapping for amnesty is the new GOP mantra.


19 posted on 12/12/2008 4:26:07 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: rabscuttle385

Rubbish. It was the nomination of John McCain, the cryptkeeper’s homely twin brother, that hurt the GOP.


20 posted on 12/12/2008 4:26:13 PM PST by E. Cartman (If Citigroup is too big to let fail, then break it up.)
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To: E. Cartman

this article is crap!!!!!


21 posted on 12/12/2008 4:27:12 PM PST by remaxagnt
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To: rabscuttle385

I know McC’s position but I never heard Ms. Palin comment at all.


22 posted on 12/12/2008 4:31:31 PM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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To: incredulous joe

He could have at least attacked Obama for favoring drivers’ licenses for illegals.

The GOP needs closed primaries. Especially in 2012 when Democrats won’t have their own primary to participate in.


23 posted on 12/12/2008 4:34:07 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: remaxagnt
this article is crap!!!!!

It's the RINO's point of view. What could we expect?

(Don't hold back next time. Tell us how you really feel.)

;)

24 posted on 12/12/2008 4:38:41 PM PST by E. Cartman (If Citigroup is too big to let fail, then break it up.)
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To: incredulous joe
“Likewise, Global Warning was an issue on which Republicans were unable to attack the Democrats.

The GOP ought to do something to correct way they select their candidate.”

Yet another issue that the idiots running this campaign made her straddle the line on. Why the hell would you pick the woman who fought the federal govt over Polar Bear protection if you wanted a greenie thumb sucker.

25 posted on 12/12/2008 4:44:18 PM PST by redk
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To: rabscuttle385

Hey MULE-shine, neither one said anything about immigration during the campaign because they knew what the majority of people think about it. Are ya snackin’ on some Mule apples or something?


26 posted on 12/12/2008 4:47:05 PM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: rabscuttle385

Well, over 70% of Americans oppose amnesty, that is fact. Theyu can ignore it all they want, it won’t make it go away.


27 posted on 12/12/2008 5:13:44 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: techno
I support Gov Palin 100%.
My previous, & only other, post on this thread critiqued her being maligned.
How this makes me a "cynic" is beyond me.
28 posted on 12/12/2008 5:43:09 PM PST by jla (Sarah!)
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To: rabscuttle385

“As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?

There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that’s not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They’ve got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.”


If that interview on Univision during the boiler plate she was in is your big claim to her views on immigration, then you are sucking air.


29 posted on 12/12/2008 6:53:33 PM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: E. Cartman
John McCain, the cryptkeeper’s homely twin brother...

(Snicker) Thanks!

30 posted on 12/12/2008 11:34:02 PM PST by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: rabscuttle385
A new analysis of immigration advertisements finds that the strategy of using immigration as a political wedge issue in the 2008 election cycle was an utter failure," the release stated.

And which candidates exactly were using that 'wedge'? Certainly not McAmnesty or Osocialist. The House Republicans that were reelected were the conservative ones that were anti-amnesty. The MSM is trying to further brainwash the public.
31 posted on 12/13/2008 8:37:54 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: TomGuy
There was a report a couple of days ago that implied that immigration reform is going to the back burner because of the current economic (and employment losses) climate. That may be semi good news.

That's excellent news. I hadn't heard that - I thought it was still one of those 100 days things. I've said all along we need a recession so the masses realize how much illegals cost us. Once everyone is worried about their own jobs and their children's future, then they'll think about the cost of importing poverty and people unwilling to assimilate. People were too complacent about this.
32 posted on 12/13/2008 8:40:38 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: redk
She seemed to be straddling the line frankly.

I was rather disappointed about that. But, given that she was on the ticket with McAmnesty, she likely had no choice.
33 posted on 12/13/2008 8:41:25 AM PST by CottonBall
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