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Area man leads Obama challenge (Birth Certificate)
The Saratogian / The Associated Press ^ | December 12, 2008 | Paul Post

Posted on 12/14/2008 2:14:06 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

QUEENSBURY — A local man’s challenge of President-elect Barack Obama’s citizenship has been garnering national attention, if not credibility.

Robert Schulz of Queensbury is the founder and chairman of We The People, a group dedicated to upholding strict adherence to the state and U.S. constitutions.

He says there’s compelling evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, not on U.S. soil, which he contends would make him ineligible to become president. On Thursday, Schulz mailed letters to all members of the Electoral College, asking them to delay the Dec. 15 official balloting until the citizenship questions are cleared up.

"We really like this guy," he said of Obama, "but we like the Constitution a bit more. For someone who’s dedicated the past 30 years trying to uphold the Constitution, how could I let this go by and maintain any kind of credibility? It’s up to Mr. Obama to set the facts straight and he refuses to do so."

Facts seem to line up against Schulz’s argument. Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state’s registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have said they checked health department records and determined there is no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.

In addition, the nonpartisan Web site www.factcheck.org examined the original document and said it does have a raised seal and the usual evidence of a genuine document. The site also reproduced an announcement of Obama’s birth, including his parents’ address in Honolulu, that was published in the "Honolulu Advertiser" on Aug. 13, 1961.

None of that fazes Schulz, who placed two full-page ads in The Chicago Tribune and on Monday held a news conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

(Excerpt) Read more at saratogian.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii; US: New York
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they BHO gets in as POTUS and he is not a Citizen of the US then they can make room for Arnold from Cali.


41 posted on 12/14/2008 7:37:35 AM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Good hit!

I am thoroughly convinced that Obama was adopted by Soetoro, since both he and his sister were referenced in the 1980 divorce filing. Obama lost his citizenship in the adoption process. Not as a result of American law, but Indonesian law. He could have applied for reinstatement of his US citizenship, for a period of 6 months after his eighteenth birthday. If he did, that document exists. If he didn't, he is still and Indonesian citizen and no document exists.

When Obama first went to Indonesia, he HAD to attended the Franciskus school because he was still a foreign national. He later attended Besuki Primary, a state school that was only available to citizens.

The documentation you have provided is terrific. As soon as I believe I can document my suspicions, I will publish to The Obama File - Latest News. I'll shoot you a FReepMail.

42 posted on 12/14/2008 7:58:47 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Beckwith

There were more links on early threads but I couldn’t find them. There are so many.


43 posted on 12/14/2008 8:03:29 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: genefromjersey
Anyone recall the famous Leo Donofrio

Yup! He's on Cort Wrotnowksi's team. The status of Cort's case will be made public tomorrow, Monday.
44 posted on 12/14/2008 8:06:41 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: DB

Don’t know why you addressed this to me.

I know. I understand. I agree.


45 posted on 12/14/2008 8:08:58 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: SkyPilot

Zero might have insight to the SCOTUS... Chicago activist Jim Ginsburg, son of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is an old friend of That One.


46 posted on 12/14/2008 8:11:35 AM PST by Sorry screen name in use
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To: SkyPilot

I always thought Ruth was a woman..!!


47 posted on 12/14/2008 8:12:18 AM PST by Sorry screen name in use
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Too bad that the SC has no right to check a president elects qualifications. That power is reserved to Congress, the body that counts the electoral votes and stamps the winner as eligible.


48 posted on 12/14/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by zarodinu
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I watched the 2hr 37min press conference with Shultz and speakers. Was worth the time spent. Quite informative.


49 posted on 12/14/2008 8:16:45 AM PST by benasawin
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To: Sorry screen name in use

Justice Ginsberg’s son James:

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/users/2590-james-ginsburg

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/users/2590-james-ginsburg/blog_posts

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0DE6D61239F93AA25752C1A963958260

http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/gpgbyq


50 posted on 12/14/2008 8:20:00 AM PST by bvw
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To: ReignOfError
According to the U.S. State Department, U.S. citizenship must be surrendered voluntarily by an adult

Agreed. That's why Obama had the opportunity, at age 18, to have his citizenship affirmed. Did he take that step?

Indonesia doesn't permit dual citizenship. Obama would have been 20 in 1981. If he was traveling on an Indonesian passport, he would have been a citizen of a country not allowing dual citizenship.Once again, did he reaffirm his US citizenship. I don't know the answer, but I'll keep digging around until I do.

I'm not as convinced I know the answer to these questions, unlike you, that's why I'm am continuing the discussion until I have an answer that satisfies me.

For example, post #40, in this thread provides a little more information (which I haven't read yet).

In the end, I will find the answer, while you will just continue to believe you have all the answers.

None of this is as clean and simple as you would like it to be.

51 posted on 12/14/2008 8:23:46 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: DB
>I bet he doesn’t say a word. The sad fact of the matter is he’s getting away with it.<
Bingo. Why say or do anything? The sheeple and MSM are in his pocket fighting his battles for him. He'll coast thru this with minimal damage and rule (supreme). We rabble rousers can be simply brushed off as one would swat a fly.
52 posted on 12/14/2008 8:23:57 AM PST by benasawin
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To: Beckwith
Agreed. That's why Obama had the opportunity, at age 18, to have his citizenship affirmed. Did he take that step?

There is no such requirement. If he was born a citizen, he remains one until he renounces his citizenship or is convicted of treason.

Indonesia doesn't permit dual citizenship.

Indonesian law does not determine U.S. citizenship.

In the end, I will find the answer, while you will just continue to believe you have all the answers.

I will accept the answer as it is, while you will keep looking until you find the answer you want.

53 posted on 12/14/2008 8:30:33 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: All

Check out the third post video, made to send to the electors tomorrow:

http://caosblog.com/


54 posted on 12/14/2008 8:35:31 AM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: Beckwith

Cort and Leo will probably discover more than a bluff is needed.

https://www.bluffmagazine.com/players/leo-donofrio/42071/player-profile.asp


55 posted on 12/14/2008 8:35:40 AM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: ReignOfError
I will accept the answer as it is

Sad.

56 posted on 12/14/2008 8:41:03 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: bvw

Thanks for the great links to Ginsberg.


57 posted on 12/14/2008 8:42:46 AM PST by Sorry screen name in use
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To: DJ MacWoW
Indonesia has never allowed dual citizenship.

Indonesia has never had the power to grant or deny U.S. citizenship.

Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.

Source?

58 posted on 12/14/2008 8:56:48 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: DJ MacWoW
>>>I will accept the answer as it is

Sad.

Yes, it's always tragic when someone loses the childhood belief that wishing on a star will make it so, and abandons a lovely theory in favor of humdrum facts.

59 posted on 12/14/2008 9:00:16 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError
Look, I'm trying to find answers here.

You have a lot to say, but you never, ever provide any documentation to back yourself up.

What I got, I got. I didn't make it up. I found it myself or received it via others.

If I'm wrong, I would be delighted to be corrected, but not by someone who is simply spouting opinion.

Produce your documentation. If I'm wrong and your documentation corrects that, I'll be the first to thank you, but to just say “you're wrong” won't fly.

Clearly state what I've got wrong sand correct it with factual documentation. I really do want to get it right.

60 posted on 12/14/2008 9:03:10 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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