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Area man leads Obama challenge (Birth Certificate)
The Saratogian / The Associated Press ^ | December 12, 2008 | Paul Post

Posted on 12/14/2008 2:14:06 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

QUEENSBURY — A local man’s challenge of President-elect Barack Obama’s citizenship has been garnering national attention, if not credibility.

Robert Schulz of Queensbury is the founder and chairman of We The People, a group dedicated to upholding strict adherence to the state and U.S. constitutions.

He says there’s compelling evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, not on U.S. soil, which he contends would make him ineligible to become president. On Thursday, Schulz mailed letters to all members of the Electoral College, asking them to delay the Dec. 15 official balloting until the citizenship questions are cleared up.

"We really like this guy," he said of Obama, "but we like the Constitution a bit more. For someone who’s dedicated the past 30 years trying to uphold the Constitution, how could I let this go by and maintain any kind of credibility? It’s up to Mr. Obama to set the facts straight and he refuses to do so."

Facts seem to line up against Schulz’s argument. Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state’s registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have said they checked health department records and determined there is no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.

In addition, the nonpartisan Web site www.factcheck.org examined the original document and said it does have a raised seal and the usual evidence of a genuine document. The site also reproduced an announcement of Obama’s birth, including his parents’ address in Honolulu, that was published in the "Honolulu Advertiser" on Aug. 13, 1961.

None of that fazes Schulz, who placed two full-page ads in The Chicago Tribune and on Monday held a news conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

(Excerpt) Read more at saratogian.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii; US: New York
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Notice how every one of them falls back on Factcheck.org, which is under the same umbrella as Obama/Ayers' education scam?
1 posted on 12/14/2008 2:14:07 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"We really like this guy," he said of Obama...

LoL!!

I wonder if they will also like the nine Justices of the SCOTUS when they deny their case?

2 posted on 12/14/2008 2:18:18 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state’s registrar of vital statistics said no such thing.

It is amazing how many lazy incompetent “journalist” there are these days... And some fool paid this guy's salary...

3 posted on 12/14/2008 2:21:16 AM PST by DB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Facts seem to line up against Schulz’s argument. Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state’s registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have said they checked health department records and determined there is no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.”

Fukino and Onaka have only confirmed that a record of birth exists there. They have not confirmed what that record says only that it exists.


4 posted on 12/14/2008 2:22:57 AM PST by lmr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know, Factcheck is just another part of the Chicago Machine.

Would be nice to hear what they say behind closed doors.


5 posted on 12/14/2008 2:23:45 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All Obama has to do is release the long form and the whole issue goes away — IF what he says is true.

Instead, he still stalls and spends money on lawyers to avoid releasing it.

Something stinks, obviously.


6 posted on 12/14/2008 2:27:36 AM PST by Ronin
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To: Ronin

Every electoral college voter has been put on notice that there is sufficient evidence that BO is NOT a natural born citizen of the U.S.. Therefore, each and every one of them will be in violation of the U.S. Constitution if it is proved later that BO is NOT a natural born citizen should they go ahead and cast their votes for him. Each and every one of them had better think seriously about what they intend to do on the 15th.


7 posted on 12/14/2008 2:41:01 AM PST by Evil Slayer (Sarah Palin reminds me of the story about David and Goliath (1 Samuel 17:1-11, 41-50)
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To: Ronin

Whats really strange is why hasn’t the messiah of the people made a public announcement in a press conference and actually shows his birth certificate, its what tomorrow monday the electoral college votes?
Maybe he will if they do a postponement, or is he all too big in is head to actually believe that he can get away with it? There must be an awful lot of back room promises being made right now to the key people to challenge the truth, to color it, to shade the fine points and to confuse America, a good con is misdirection.

I bet he comes out with an announcement saying he was not aware of his true status and begs the US to just let this slip by because they have spoken for him, yes I would expect him to make that ploy of throwing in the race card to make an exception to the constitution, just for his case.


8 posted on 12/14/2008 2:46:33 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Alvin Onaka, have said they checked health department records and determined there is no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.

Not important!

Obama was adopted by an Indonesian, making him a citizen of Indonesia, which does not recognize dual citizenships. He was definitely adopted, because foreign nationals could not attend Indonesian state schools and Barry Soetoro did.

If he didn’t formally assert his claim to United States nationality within 6 months of his 18th birthday, he lost his right to reclaim his United States nationality on February 5th, 1980. There would be a record of this assertion.

If he used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in 1981, he’s toast.

This will all come out in time.

Then, of course, is the fact that Obama, a constitutional law instructor, is not a "natural born citizen."

The Natural Born Citizen Chart


9 posted on 12/14/2008 2:55:26 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Eye of Unk

I bet he doesn’t say a word. The sad fact of the matter is he’s getting away with it.


10 posted on 12/14/2008 2:56:51 AM PST by DB
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To: Beckwith
First of all, the health department made no such claim that Obama was born there. They simply stated there are documents filed with the health department that meet the states regulations.

Second of all, Hawaii issued birth certificates to children not actually born in Hawaii. So a birth certificate on file doesn't prove being born in Hawaii. Only the long form of the certificate will prove such.

11 posted on 12/14/2008 3:01:32 AM PST by DB
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To: Beckwith
You got a source for that?

According to the U.S. State Department, U.S. citizenship must be surrendered voluntarily by an adult, or by an older minor who convinces a consular officer that he is acting voluntarily and understands the gravity of his actions. A parent cannot renounce your citizenship on your behalf.

If he used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in 1981, he’s toast.

Also false. Holding a passport from another country has no effect on U.S. citizenship. A U.S. citizen must use a U.S. passport to enter or exit the United States; aside from that, the U.S. government takes no interest.

12 posted on 12/14/2008 3:06:53 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just left a comment addressed to the author of that article in the Saratogian:

” Paul Post wrote:

“Facts seem to line up against Schulz’s argument. Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state’s registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have said they checked health department records and determined there is no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii...”

What follows is the text of the Hawaii Health Department statement -

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
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Note:

Until 1972 the Hawaii Health Department issued birth certificates for a child born ANYWHERE until that child was one year of age. Nothing in the Hawaii Health Department statement states that obama was born in Hawaii. “


13 posted on 12/14/2008 3:11:42 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I am sure we are in good hands.....the SCOTUS is made up of such fine people.


14 posted on 12/14/2008 3:14:28 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Oh crap, that is one greasy-haired oh crap, I have a little thow-up in the back of my blaagghh.


15 posted on 12/14/2008 3:33:16 AM PST by repubpub
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To: SkyPilot

OMG! It’s a cadaver!


16 posted on 12/14/2008 4:38:57 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: SkyPilot

Ruth is one evil human being. And I do mean evil. She once wrote a paper advocting lowering the age of consent to 11 years old for sex between an adult and a minor.

Evil.


17 posted on 12/14/2008 4:48:14 AM PST by stockpirate (Rush, Sean, Laura, Mark, Ann, Malkin, Beck, - MIA re: COLB, Have lost ALL creds!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Area man leads Obama challenge (Birth Certificate)

AreaMan was always my favorite superhero..

18 posted on 12/14/2008 4:50:00 AM PST by BerniesFriend
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To: SkyPilot

Wow! whan an ugly dude.


19 posted on 12/14/2008 4:54:16 AM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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To: DB

I myself have quit watching Democrat News produced by NBC, ABC and CBS. It’s Democrat propaganda disguised as news. They are intentionally covering up the Obama non-citizenship challenge.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


20 posted on 12/14/2008 4:59:40 AM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Facts seem to line up against Schulz’s argument. Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state’s registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have said they checked health department records and determined there is no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.

Speaking of facks, when you state outright LIES in the "news" it is nothing more than partisan propaganda. Nothing less than the press conditions in Fascist Nazi Germany.

Let us demand a front page retraction and correction.

None of that fazes Schulz

That's because it isn't true.

"Propaganda tries to force a doctrine on the whole people... Propaganda works on the general public from the standpoint of an idea and makes them ripe for the victory of this idea." Adolf Hitler

Just like;

Bush stole the election, Bush is an idiot, Haliburton, Bush lied/people died, Global Warming, Sara Palin is an idiot, Plumber Joe is an idiot, Freon and the Ozone Hole etc etc etc.

21 posted on 12/14/2008 5:04:20 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state’s registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka

Anyone here want to bet me $10,000 right now that that both of these guys are Democrats? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

And we know what a wonderful record of upholding the law and telling the truth that Democrats have, now don't we.

22 posted on 12/14/2008 5:12:04 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Why do I find the Toyota "Saved by Zero" ads so ironic?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

23 posted on 12/14/2008 5:41:47 AM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: SkyPilot

GUILTY!


24 posted on 12/14/2008 5:42:55 AM PST by sig229 (The loonie left "FLUNKED" human nature 101)
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To: trumandogz

How can you like a guy who lies to you?


25 posted on 12/14/2008 5:46:06 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: DB
It is amazing how many lazy incompetent “journalist” there are these days...

True dat! OTOH this creature may be hard working in his tireless effort to promote propaganda in direct conflict with reality. He may be very competent in his efforts to deceive the American people.

Or he's just a lazy, incompetent "journalist" as you say like the rest.

26 posted on 12/14/2008 5:56:55 AM PST by Sal (Claire said that in 1996.)
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To: SkyPilot

No one could drink her pretty.


27 posted on 12/14/2008 6:08:49 AM PST by jarofants (Obama wants to bailout Kenya and other nations.)
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To: genefromjersey

SCAM WOW!


28 posted on 12/14/2008 6:10:31 AM PST by jarofants (Obama wants to bailout Kenya and other nations.)
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To: Evil Slayer
Therefore, each and every one of them will be in violation of the U.S. Constitution if it is proved later that BO is NOT a natural born citizen should they go ahead and cast their votes for him.

How do you figure?

29 posted on 12/14/2008 6:13:58 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: SkyPilot

Shouldn’t she be asleep in that picture?


30 posted on 12/14/2008 6:14:18 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: Beckwith
If he didn’t formally assert his claim to United States nationality within 6 months of his 18th birthday, he lost his right to reclaim his United States nationality on February 5th, 1980.

Completely false.

31 posted on 12/14/2008 6:14:58 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: jarofants
Anyone recall the famous Leo Donofrio ?
32 posted on 12/14/2008 6:17:11 AM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: jarofants
Anyone recall the famous Leo Donofrio ?
33 posted on 12/14/2008 6:18:22 AM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: Right Wing Assault; repubpub; RushIsMyTeddyBear; stockpirate; ChetNavVet; sig229; jarofants
Shouldn’t she be asleep in that picture?


Actual artist rendition of Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg asleep during hearing

34 posted on 12/14/2008 6:32:27 AM PST by SkyPilot
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Über Feminists Wear Drool Bibs!

35 posted on 12/14/2008 6:34:44 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: All; Ronin; miss print

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A Constitutional Law professor at work:

Thursday:

OBAMA suddenly goes to Hawaii to visit dying Grandmother, taking an army of lawyers with him

Sunday:

Republican Governor of Hawaii seals OBAMA’s Birth Records

NUTS

.


36 posted on 12/14/2008 6:52:49 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com11)
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To: SkyPilot

Yes, that is the picture. I wish the artist had also drawn her with a big read spot on her forehead when she woke up.


37 posted on 12/14/2008 6:53:27 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: BerniesFriend

38 posted on 12/14/2008 6:56:50 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: All; Evil Slayer; miss print

.

OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE = Critical Mass

“Obama Election ILLEGAL!

Shocking charges threaten his Presidency:

He wasn’t born in U.S.

Birth certificate is FORGED”

(GLOBE Magazine’s current Front Cover Story now facing customers and Electors at Supermarket checkout stands everywhere across America)

.


39 posted on 12/14/2008 7:00:36 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com11)
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To: ReignOfError; Beckwith
I found some interesting stuff.

Revision to citizenship law imposes more restrictions - Saturday, June 26, 2004

The citizenship law is designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual citizenship). Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship.

In an attempt to prevent dual citizenship, the draft revision includes new regulations.

A foreign child aged below 21 and unmarried, who is adopted by an Indonesian, will be eligible for Indonesian citizenship if the process does not cause dual citizenship.

Draft revision of citizenship law No. 62/1958

These laws were passed in 2004. The original one it amended was from 1958. Indonesia has never allowed dual citizenship.

There was also an "exit control" law in Pakistan in 1981. You may get in but leaving was not a sure thing.

Exit from Pakistan (Control) Ordinance, 1981

This is also interesting.

1981 - Obama Visits Pakistan When All Non-Muslim Vistors Unwelcome - Bin Laden There, Too

Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and ruled of martial law. Millions of Afghan refugees were living in Pakistan, while the Afghan Mujahedeen operated from bases inside Pakistan in their war with the Soviets. One of the leaders that based his operation in Quetta, Pakistan was Usama Bin Laden (The Sheik).

Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.

40 posted on 12/14/2008 7:09:59 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they BHO gets in as POTUS and he is not a Citizen of the US then they can make room for Arnold from Cali.


41 posted on 12/14/2008 7:37:35 AM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Good hit!

I am thoroughly convinced that Obama was adopted by Soetoro, since both he and his sister were referenced in the 1980 divorce filing. Obama lost his citizenship in the adoption process. Not as a result of American law, but Indonesian law. He could have applied for reinstatement of his US citizenship, for a period of 6 months after his eighteenth birthday. If he did, that document exists. If he didn't, he is still and Indonesian citizen and no document exists.

When Obama first went to Indonesia, he HAD to attended the Franciskus school because he was still a foreign national. He later attended Besuki Primary, a state school that was only available to citizens.

The documentation you have provided is terrific. As soon as I believe I can document my suspicions, I will publish to The Obama File - Latest News. I'll shoot you a FReepMail.

42 posted on 12/14/2008 7:58:47 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Beckwith

There were more links on early threads but I couldn’t find them. There are so many.


43 posted on 12/14/2008 8:03:29 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: genefromjersey
Anyone recall the famous Leo Donofrio

Yup! He's on Cort Wrotnowksi's team. The status of Cort's case will be made public tomorrow, Monday.
44 posted on 12/14/2008 8:06:41 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: DB

Don’t know why you addressed this to me.

I know. I understand. I agree.


45 posted on 12/14/2008 8:08:58 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: SkyPilot

Zero might have insight to the SCOTUS... Chicago activist Jim Ginsburg, son of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is an old friend of That One.


46 posted on 12/14/2008 8:11:35 AM PST by Sorry screen name in use
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To: SkyPilot

I always thought Ruth was a woman..!!


47 posted on 12/14/2008 8:12:18 AM PST by Sorry screen name in use
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Too bad that the SC has no right to check a president elects qualifications. That power is reserved to Congress, the body that counts the electoral votes and stamps the winner as eligible.


48 posted on 12/14/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by zarodinu
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I watched the 2hr 37min press conference with Shultz and speakers. Was worth the time spent. Quite informative.


49 posted on 12/14/2008 8:16:45 AM PST by benasawin
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To: Sorry screen name in use

Justice Ginsberg’s son James:

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/users/2590-james-ginsburg

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/users/2590-james-ginsburg/blog_posts

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0DE6D61239F93AA25752C1A963958260

http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/gpgbyq


50 posted on 12/14/2008 8:20:00 AM PST by bvw
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