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New taxes, cuts in budget plan Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; health care
TimesUnion ^ | 12/14/08 | JAMES M. ODATO

Posted on 12/14/2008 6:59:50 PM PST by Sammy67

New taxes, deep cuts to education and health care, and a restructuring of the state's economic development programs will be hallmarks of Gov. David Paterson's first budget plan to be released in two days, according to interviews of people briefed on components.

The plan will come with a host of revenue raisers — increased taxes on hospitals and insurance policies, for instance — and at least one new assessment, a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million. The governor also is contemplating requiring new license plates to raise cash, reviving sales tax on clothing purchases, removing the tax cap on gasoline and threatening to require Indian retailers to collect taxes on sales to non-Indians by signing into law a bill passed

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1 posted on 12/14/2008 6:59:52 PM PST by Sammy67
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To: Sammy67

How about cut entitlements? That would probably save almost a billion by itself.


2 posted on 12/14/2008 7:01:20 PM PST by wastedyears ("Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne)
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To: Sammy67
No real spending cuts, no layoffs, no cutting of any union benefits...
3 posted on 12/14/2008 7:02:43 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Sammy67
No real spending cuts, no layoffs, no cutting of any union benefits...
4 posted on 12/14/2008 7:03:50 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Sammy67

Well, I guess my sis will have to pay more for her smokes, and aparently more for everything else. Ny Cali, Mass, DC, Ill, all stuck on stupid. And sucking the rest of the nation down with them.


5 posted on 12/14/2008 7:09:19 PM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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To: Sammy67
Further, the governor also will propose a new tax on some physician services to raise $50 million.

Vision tests?


6 posted on 12/14/2008 7:09:41 PM PST by OCC
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To: Sammy67

Even “Saturday Night Live” is ridiculing Paterson:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2148733/posts


7 posted on 12/14/2008 7:13:15 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: Sammy67

Higher taxes on hospitals, doctors, and insurance? That’s going to go over big. I thought the Democrat mantra was to pretend to reduce the cost of health care.


8 posted on 12/14/2008 7:15:32 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Sammy67

More B.S.. These guys STILL don’t get it. Cut spending - drastically. Education could be cut by at least 15%. The return on the investment sucks. Record spending, dismal performance. Cut all the boondoggle projects until the economy turns around. No stadiums, civic centers, etc. Institute a mandatory one year residency requirement for any public assistance.


9 posted on 12/14/2008 7:20:30 PM PST by RochesterFan
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To: RochesterFan

“These guys STILL don’t get it”

Actually, they do get it.

Their power comes from the votes of the looter class, which will not be touched directly by the tax increases. However, ANY cuts in the gimme programs results in loss of power for the elected officials doing the cutting.

What has really happened in this God forsaken state is that the welfare and looter class and the public service unions have become so large in numbers that they effectively control the state.

There is NO WAY to fix NY. This place is and has been thoroughly screwed. 12 years of Uncle Mario sent this State on an irreversible downhill slide from which it can not recover.


10 posted on 12/14/2008 7:32:16 PM PST by Nik Naym (Everyone has a right to my opinion.)
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To: Sammy67

One step closer to socialist utopia.


11 posted on 12/14/2008 7:49:48 PM PST by Johnstone
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To: Nik Naym
What has really happened in this God forsaken state is that the welfare and looter class and the public service unions have become so large in numbers that they effectively control the state.

Yes.

There is NO WAY to fix NY. This place is and has been thoroughly screwed. 12 years of Uncle Mario sent this State on an irreversible downhill slide from which it can not recover.

Call me a dreamer. I keep hoping the people that actually pay the bills will vote the bums out. Sadly, I fear you are right - there are more "takers" than there are "producers."

So what's a "producer" to do? Cash out and head to a more prudent state like South Carolina?

12 posted on 12/14/2008 7:57:25 PM PST by RochesterFan
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To: RochesterFan

Eventually the “Tipping Point” will be reached for taxes and more taxes;then comes a revolt.


13 posted on 12/14/2008 7:58:02 PM PST by pankot
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To: RochesterFan

“So what’s a “producer” to do? Cash out and head to a more prudent state like South Carolina? “

Sure. You want to buy my house so I can leave? It sits out here in Wayne County, home of the highest property tax rates in the entire United States.

I am stuck here. Unless I walk away from a mortgage and skip out on my obligations I can not leave.

(Of course, once it gets to the point where I can’t find any work, I will end up defaulting eventually once I go broke. Then I can leave.)

I am too damn old to start over.


14 posted on 12/14/2008 8:11:31 PM PST by Nik Naym (Everyone has a right to my opinion.)
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To: RochesterFan

A 1 year residency law was tried under the Rockefeller admin. A family moved into the state about 1 week after the law was passed, applied for welfare, and was turned down. They went to legal aid, got a free lawyer, and went to a Federal court. The Federal judge ruled that “you cannot deny these people the RIGHT to live wherever they want to”. The law was ruled unconstitutional, and struck down. What New York should do is to pass a law that If you come into the state and need welfare, you get it for 3 months. After that time you are expected to: have a job, or move in with relatives, or leave the state. The prospects of this law passing are slim and none, and slim just left the building. The politicians pander to the poor because they are guaranteed votes as long as the “goodies” keep coming.


15 posted on 12/14/2008 8:33:30 PM PST by george3547
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To: Sammy67

And so it begins. They can’t make enough on smokers any longer so now they will go after red meat and exchange of body fluids. I must have read about this before./s


16 posted on 12/14/2008 8:38:18 PM PST by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: Nik Naym
Sure. You want to buy my house so I can leave? It sits out here in Wayne County, home of the highest property tax rates in the entire United States.

Sorry, can't help you. have my own in Greece. We have high taxes and an incompetent school board...

I am stuck here. Unless I walk away from a mortgage and skip out on my obligations I can not leave.

I know how you feel. I'm trying to make it to retirement eligibility at what used to be the major employer in town and is now a shadow of its former self. The big jump that comes at 30 years, means when you're close the only prudent choice is to ride the roller coaster, no matter how bumpy it gets.

I am too damn old to start over.

I hear you. But given the financial realities in our nation, I doubt conventional retirement will ever be an option. I would like to have saved enough where I can have some choice in work environment. Not to mention a choice of location, where my neighbors are more prudent.

17 posted on 12/14/2008 8:49:21 PM PST by RochesterFan
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To: george3547
these people the RIGHT to live wherever they want to

Idiot judges. The right to live someplace does not mean an entitlement to support.

18 posted on 12/14/2008 8:52:22 PM PST by RochesterFan
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To: Sammy67

“and at least one new assessment, a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million. “

Now do you understand why I am *against* a sales tax and all excise taxes? They encourage such nannyisms.


19 posted on 12/14/2008 8:57:11 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: wastedyears
"deep cuts in education"...??...who is he kidding.....its merely mentioned that colleges will have to charge more for tuition....

no mention of cutting teachers salaries or their precious benefits and retirements....we wouldn't want to upset the teachers union....

instead, we'll make more hospitals close, more nursing homes close, have less home care and charge everybody more for health insurance, which isn't the govt workers nor the NYS retirees, at least not for family members I know....

the Detroit legacy costs pale in comparison to civil service....it is totally not sustainable...

20 posted on 12/14/2008 9:28:42 PM PST by cherry
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To: pankot

Eventually the “Tipping Point” will be reached for taxes...

Instead of tipping point, maybe it should be the tapping point - as in all tapped out, and you're screwed.

21 posted on 12/14/2008 9:49:31 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'll go green when they plant me in the ground.)
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To: Cicero

Well, yes, pretend is the operative word. They really want to make health insurance and care unaffordable so that people will clamor for a government system. I believe Ted Kennedy said as much several years ago - that they would get socialized medicine in increments. Looks like they will succeed.


22 posted on 12/14/2008 10:16:35 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Sammy67
Tax increases on hospitals & insurance; new taxes on some medical procedures; cuts to reimbursements & nursing homes...

All compounded by Global Warming, meaning you won't even have the option of sticking Granny on an ice floe any more.

23 posted on 12/14/2008 10:53:26 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: Sammy67

State economy is circling the drain. Let’s raise taxes! It worked so well in Michigan.


24 posted on 12/15/2008 3:51:05 AM PST by wny
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To: Sammy67

State economy is circling the drain. Let’s raise taxes! It worked so well in Michigan.


25 posted on 12/15/2008 3:51:13 AM PST by wny
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To: wny

btt


26 posted on 12/15/2008 4:02:20 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: Sammy67
Same as Obama plan. No new INCOME TAXES....just everything else and "fee increases".

Can you spell "Unions".

27 posted on 12/15/2008 4:05:12 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Thanks for that link!


28 posted on 12/15/2008 5:10:02 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: Sammy67
Next time you're at the grocery store and see a really, really obese person, look inside their cart. 9 time out of 10 it will have a case of DIET SODA in it.

That's the stuff that makes people fat.

29 posted on 12/15/2008 7:47:32 AM PST by ponygirl
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To: ponygirl

Forgot to add... not that it’s any of the government’s freaking business what I drink or don’t drink.


30 posted on 12/15/2008 7:48:19 AM PST by ponygirl
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and at least one new assessment, a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million. The governor also is contemplating requiring new license plates to raise cash, reviving sales tax on clothing purchases, removing the tax cap on gasoline and threatening to require Indian retailers to collect taxes on sales to non-Indians by signing into law a bill passed



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31 posted on 12/15/2008 9:59:47 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million

bump
32 posted on 12/15/2008 10:00:41 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Gabz

first they came for the smoker...then they came for the soda drinker [who knew?]


33 posted on 12/15/2008 10:03:58 AM PST by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee, Home of the Shamed)
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Armisen

34 posted on 12/15/2008 11:03:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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