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Williams Bewails Decline of 'Classically-Trained' Journos, Rise of Guys With 'Opinion And a Modem'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 12/24/2008 6:03:33 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

There was no Memorex around when the brontosauri were bidding bye-bye, but I think we have a pretty good idea of what they sounded like as they were going extinct. Just listen to Brian Williams this morning. Appearing on Morning Joe, the NBC Nightly News anchor lamented the decline of "classically-trained" journalists in favor of guys with "an opinion and a modem."

A question from Pat Buchanan about the ebbing fortunes of the old media set Williams off on a soliloquy he assured us was not self-interested.

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1 posted on 12/24/2008 6:03:34 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Williams’ wail of the MSM dinosaur ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 12/24/2008 6:04:53 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Keeping track of the MSM so you don't have to!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I would love to see what this ‘classical training’ is


3 posted on 12/24/2008 6:05:38 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Mr. K
I would love to see what this ‘classical training’ is

YOU know where to get a copy of the communist manifesto, Marx, Mao, and Mein Kampf... don't be facetious.

4 posted on 12/24/2008 6:07:53 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

If Brian Williams considers himself a “classically trained journalist”, or even a trained journalist, or anything OTHER than a talentless shill for the left then he is even more deluded than I thought.


5 posted on 12/24/2008 6:08:30 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Mr. K
"I would love to see what this ‘classical training’ is"

From what I can tell it's dumpster diving in Wasilla, Alaska to destroy a fine American, Sarah Palin, while completely ignoring the Obama fraud.

6 posted on 12/24/2008 6:08:32 AM PST by avacado
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To: MrB

Good one!


7 posted on 12/24/2008 6:08:58 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Mr. K

‘classical training’ is a degree from a leftist J school.


8 posted on 12/24/2008 6:10:20 AM PST by reg45
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To: Mr. K

Here in New York I remember meeting a speaker who was a young lady in journalism. She was visiting our University and talking about how she had gotten into journalism.

It’s really not a big deal. She went to the Columbia journalism school and from there was able to get into the industry.

Took some media course and remember this one little cute blonde and her ambition was to be a news anchor. Not to be a journalist, but to be reading the news in front of a camera.

On the list of difficulty, journalism majors don’t stand that high. And the knowledge they bring to their “craft” is in most instances sorely lacking.

Take any area of expertise you have and when it’s brought to the fore from our “journalists” you soon see how poorly informed they are but it doesn’t stop them from making all kinds of pronouncements.

And that’s not even in the political arena. There it’s out of control by design.


9 posted on 12/24/2008 6:13:22 AM PST by romanesq
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
There was no Memorex around when the brontosauri were bidding bye-bye, but I think we have a pretty good idea of what they sounded like as they were going extinct. Just listen to Brian Williams this morning.
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These two sentences are very funny. I am sitting here laughing!

10 posted on 12/24/2008 6:14:37 AM PST by wintertime
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

11 posted on 12/24/2008 6:17:20 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Today’s journalists are just conduits for liberal editors. There really is no point in having them. They no longer investigate to reach a conclusion. They reach a conclusion and then look for data to support their conclusion.


12 posted on 12/24/2008 6:20:47 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Mr. K

“An opinion and a liberal arts degree.”


13 posted on 12/24/2008 6:21:26 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: AppyPappy
They reach a conclusion and then look for data to support their conclusion.

Leftists ARE completely "goal oriented", which means they'll pragmatically sacrifice any principle or rule in order to achieve the desired ends.

Unfortunately, it's not just journalists, but judges, that do this.

14 posted on 12/24/2008 6:23:13 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Mr. K

It means you were educated by Harvard, Yale, UC insert name of city, NYU ( basically, any academic institution that loves to embrace liberalism) on how to pervert America and make light of all Christian values.

“Classical Journalist” are dying because we are sick of watching bigoted, racist, left wing, Democrat stooges tell us the “news”. I want real journalist, not stooges. Now if he means classical journalist in the sense of people who report the news without bias, then I say we need all of them we can get. Please!!


15 posted on 12/24/2008 6:23:43 AM PST by Jaime2099
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The problem is that we have too many of them.


16 posted on 12/24/2008 6:24:14 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Probably an appropriate time to post this one again.

http://www.libertyroundtable.org/library/essay.drudge.html
Anyone With A Modem Can Report On The World

Address Before the National Press Club
by Matt Drudge, June 2, 1998


17 posted on 12/24/2008 6:24:17 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: AppyPappy
"They no longer investigate to reach a conclusion. They reach a conclusion and then look for data to support their conclusion"

ding ding ding!!! we have a winner

18 posted on 12/24/2008 6:24:40 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Mr. K
I would love to see what this ‘classical training’ is

Traditionally, classical training involves a few years each of Greek and Latin, along with readings from the great authors--Cicero, Virgil, Homer, etc. The only evidence of classical training among the journos I have seen was when they all picked up the word gravitas in the pre-election Bush-bashing of the last century. Of course, they pronounced it like medievalists, not classicists, so even on that count they fail. The classically-trained journalists of our golden age have been replaced by medieval barbarians, ushering in a new Dark Age.

19 posted on 12/24/2008 6:28:40 AM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Amazing the expertise one can pick up at J school whilst being “classically trained”. Journalists can tell us how to stop global warming, how best to runs wars, how to save the auto industry, how to manage the economy, how best to deliver health care, what laws should be passed, who should be elected, what we should eat, who we should associate with, what news we should be exposed to and what we should not, etc, etc, etc.

They don’t teach humility or introspection.


20 posted on 12/24/2008 6:36:47 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Classical journalism" such as it ever was, died forever at Watergate. But then, muckraking and "yellow journalism" predate that sorry episode by a century or more.

One wonders just what fantasies and false memories Brian Williams is indulging in here.

21 posted on 12/24/2008 6:40:37 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

He reminds me of public school teachers who claim that only public school teachers are qualified to teach.


22 posted on 12/24/2008 6:44:16 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: reg45

This pompous ass dropped out of college.


23 posted on 12/24/2008 6:45:40 AM PST by csmusaret (Congress hasn't got anything right since they declared war on Japan.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

University journalism classes have done for the media what education classes and teacher certification have done for our public schools.


24 posted on 12/24/2008 6:48:26 AM PST by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

My J school degree provided me with the ability to make business appointments with customers and write good business letters. I scribbled for eight years before I found my true calling.


25 posted on 12/24/2008 6:49:19 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; martin_fierro
Hey martin_fierro, what are these two saying in Spanish???


26 posted on 12/24/2008 6:52:09 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Senator_Blutarski

“University journalism classes have done for the media what education classes and teacher certification have done for our public schools.”

Precisely.


27 posted on 12/24/2008 6:53:16 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Ocho Cinco ?


28 posted on 12/24/2008 6:54:14 AM PST by csvset
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To: wintertime

Thanks! If I can brighten wintertime, I consider my day a success!


29 posted on 12/24/2008 7:01:37 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Keeping track of the MSM so you don't have to!)
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To: csmusaret
"This pompous ass dropped out of college."

Did he really? Now that's funny. I wouldn't hold that against anybody but in light of his supreme arrogance that is priceless.

30 posted on 12/24/2008 7:04:33 AM PST by marlon
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To: marlon

According to wikipedia he did.


31 posted on 12/24/2008 7:05:56 AM PST by csmusaret (Congress hasn't got anything right since they declared war on Japan.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Wasn’t Peter Jennings a high school dropout (and a Canadian to boot)?


32 posted on 12/24/2008 7:15:05 AM PST by ikka (Brother, you asked for it!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; governsleastgovernsbest
Hey martin_fierro, what are these two saying in Spanish???

"Have a colonoscopy done once every five years."

33 posted on 12/24/2008 7:24:33 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

says MSM talks out of both orifices


34 posted on 12/24/2008 7:27:34 AM PST by Gone_Postal (We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; abb; Grampa Dave; Liz; weegee
Appearing on Morning Joe, the NBC Nightly News anchor lamented the decline of "classically-trained" journalists in favor of guys with "an opinion and a modem."

I'm confused.

Which ones are these?

35 posted on 12/24/2008 7:27:52 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Williams is not stupid. You have to wonder, though, if he has the faintest clue that “classical journalism” cut its own throat by choosing a side and putting an agenda - - a socialist, “blame America first” agenda - - ahead of the truth? Whatever. Good riddance to bad garbage.


36 posted on 12/24/2008 7:59:11 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: romanesq

Heavy sigh - my nephew just graduated UT with a degree in radio-television-film. His father asked him what he wanted to do when he graduated: “I wanna be on TV” was the answer. Argh...


37 posted on 12/24/2008 8:00:29 AM PST by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: AppyPappy
They no longer investigate to reach a conclusion.

They reach a conclusion and then look for data to support their conclusion.

It does seem that way...

38 posted on 12/24/2008 8:06:48 AM PST by GOPJ (Gun Control-:- like trying to control stray dogs by neutering veterinarians.- G. Jonas)
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To: martin_fierro

BOL!

Williams has probably never met a real journalist. One who investigates and reports what he/she/it finds without using the liberal matrix/agenda.


39 posted on 12/24/2008 8:10:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals or foriegn or domestic terrorists or both?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

If you’re curious about the world and you can write an interesting, grammatical sentence, you may having the makings of a good newspaperman/woman. To be a journalist, you only have to have axe to grind.


40 posted on 12/24/2008 8:11:41 AM PST by Clioman
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To: AppyPappy

“Today’s journalists are just conduits for liberal editors. There really is no point in having them. They no longer investigate to reach a conclusion. They reach a conclusion and then look for data to support their conclusion.”

It’s either that or sometimes just “crafting” a story to get ratings, especially in a local market. Of course in that instance no story is more important than the “personality” of the on-air “talent.”

Investigative reporting? What’s that?

Take a read of Robert Novak’s book, “Prince of Darkness” and you will see a career of real reporting over decades.

People here are so immune now to “news” they don’t even know what real reporting is anymore. It’s a bunch of hacks and TV “personalities” all copying the same 24 newscycle.

Utter garbage.


41 posted on 12/24/2008 8:12:45 AM PST by romanesq
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To: jagusafr

Sympathy FRiend, as the disease has most certainly progressed since I was in college. I remember looking at this girl in our TV & media course and not even bothering to ask her anything. As for as I was concerned she wouldn’t know nada about anything.

Her stated to desire to be a “anchor” convinced me she was a vapid blonde. Don’t think I said another word to her the rest of the semester. Not sure she noticed. She was cute but as I recall she showed no sign of intellect in the course either.

When someone gives you an answer along the lines of “I wanna be on TV” it’s akin to “I wanna be a star” and not work hard.

That’s how I see it.


42 posted on 12/24/2008 8:22:33 AM PST by romanesq
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

“Classically trained journalists,” read, “brainwashed and indoctrinated propagandists.” Let’s face it, Brian, your journalists abused their priviledge. Now they must surrender it.


43 posted on 12/24/2008 8:27:22 AM PST by Juan Medén
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

44 posted on 12/24/2008 8:27:33 AM PST by pabianice
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

There’s no point in having them around, with all their “classical education”, when all they do is LIE....for the socialist left. They are every bit as worthless as their HollyPervert counterparts are degenerate.


45 posted on 12/24/2008 8:31:46 AM PST by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: Caesar Soze
The only evidence of classical training among the journos I have seen was when they all picked up the word gravitas in the pre-election Bush-bashing of the last century.

They even f*** that up. In Latin, v is pronounced w. Thus, the word is correctly pronounced GRAH.we.tahs, not GRAV.e.tas.

46 posted on 12/24/2008 8:32:15 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Clioman

I never advanced past “reporter.”


47 posted on 12/24/2008 8:38:26 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
SNORT

Somewhere, H. L. Mencken is laughing high school drop out ass off.

48 posted on 12/24/2008 8:39:28 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: romanesq

Wish I could argue with you. This kid’s verging on brilliant and hasn’t ever had to work at anything to do well. That’s what was so disappointing about him choosing RTF (my undergrad major, BTW). He could have excelled at anything he chose, but he chose something he didn’t have to work at. And still didn’t graduate with any sort of honors. And he wonders why he’s not getting offers from the Hollywood studios.

Hey, it’s Christmas Eve! I’ll ask Santa to bring him some gumption!


49 posted on 12/24/2008 8:40:16 AM PST by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The news media has only one product and only one: credibility. They have sold that one product to the left wing of the democrat party. There is nothing left on the shelf for others to consume.


50 posted on 12/24/2008 8:42:33 AM PST by engrpat (End the National Nightmare on 1-20-2013)
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