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CATHERINE MOY: Change is Coming for U.S. Troops (MAF Article)
Move America Forward ^ | December 29, 2008 | Catherine Moy

Posted on 12/29/2008 10:34:25 PM PST by Syncro

Monday, December 29, 2008

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Catherine Moy
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Change is Coming for U.S. Troops

The election of Barack Obama as America’s next president has many of our troops confounded. Six out of 10 active service members are worried about Obama as commander in chief, according to a Military Times poll.

“Being that the Marine Corps can be sent anywhere in the world with the snap of his fingers, nobody has confidence in this guy as commander in chief,” said one lance corporal who asked not to be identified.

For eight years, members of the U.S. military have served under a Republican commander in chief who reflected their generally conservative views and led them to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Now, the troops face change not only at the very top of the chain of command, as Obama nears his Jan. 20 inauguration, but perhaps in mission, policy and values.

Underlying much of the uncertainty is Obama’s stated 16-month timetable for pulling combat troops out of Iraq, as well as his calls to end the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy to allow gays to serve openly in the military, according to survey responses and interviews.

“How are you going to safely pull combat troops out of Iraq?” said Air Force 1st Lt. Rachel Kleinpeter, an intelligence officer with the 100th Operations Support Squadron at RAF Mildenhall, England. “And if you’re pulling out combat troops, who are you leaving to help support what’s left? What happens if Iraq falls back into chaos? Are we going to be there in five years doing the same thing over again?”

It is no surprise that U.S. troops are leery of change. President Bush is a veteran and his father was a war hero from WWII. Bush also shows great respect for the U.S. military, where as Obama has had a difficult time giving kudoss to American troops for the relative safety inside Iraq.

This video shows troops giving Obama a cool reception. It contrasts the excitement of American troops when President Bush visited them in Iraq.

The troops are not alone in their trepidation of our president-elect.

Move America Forward just returned from Guantanamo Bay and, as I have described earlier, the hardcore terrorists live in cushy surroundings. Prisoners in American prisons would give their eye-tooth to go to Gitmo, which the media and leftists have branded as a torturous environment.

Mr. Obama wants to close gitmo - a huge mistake. If he does such a thing without going to Gitmo and visiting the prison facilities himself, he will act in a careless and dangerously uninformed way.

That is not change we can believe in.




TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho2008; bhodod; catmoy; cicobama; mac; maf; military; militaryvote; moveamericaforward; obama; obamatransitionfile; troops
Mr. Obama wants to close gitmo - a huge mistake. If he does such a thing without going to Gitmo and visiting the prison facilities himself, he will act in a careless and dangerously uninformed way.

1 posted on 12/29/2008 10:34:26 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Syncro

My youngest son loves the idea of serving and really wants an ROTC scholarship. I’m not thrilled with the prospect of him serving under the obomination, and I don’t think he is as excited anymore. I think the volunteer military is really going to suffer over the next 4 years. I’m worried.


2 posted on 12/29/2008 10:43:50 PM PST by scottywr ("Birth Certificate? We don neeed a steenkeen birth certificate!")
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To: scottywr

As long as he is in ROTC and not in an active service branch, he should be OK. Obama and the Dims will screw up and we will have a new Reagan in 2012.


3 posted on 12/29/2008 10:46:09 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

Do you have anyone in mind? I’m not being critical, I’m just asking. I see a lot of potential out there, but I don’t see anyone floating to the top right now. Perhaps I’m missing someone.


4 posted on 12/29/2008 10:52:47 PM PST by Warriormom
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To: Syncro
I suspect that the Obama/Ayers Doctrine will be headlined by the systematic attacks on our militiary's traditions, order, missions, funding, and standing in our national community.

I worry that the same Marxist candidate who chose to visit a gymnasium rather than our wounded troops in a European hospital (and his close friend, a terrorist who bombed the pentagon) will do what they can to undermine our military.

I'm also concerned that the closing of the prison at Guantanamo could be a mere preliminary, and superficial effect of the anti American Military operations to come.

Hopefully I'm wrong here.

.

5 posted on 12/29/2008 10:53:02 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Seaplaner

There will be many negative repercussions for our military under the 0af/Puppet on a string 0ne.


6 posted on 12/29/2008 11:01:56 PM PST by unkus
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To: Syncro

Keeping Gates on as Sec Def was just a smokescreen to conceal things to come as far as Hussein’s real agenda, as well as a sure signal that Hussein simply needs him there, needs things to stay in place in that realm for the time being, because Hussein has not a shred of a microscopic clue at all how to handle military affairs and worldwide conflicts as they are now.

Deep in his anti-American heart, Hussein would love to be able to put Jeanine Garafalo or Bill Ayers himself or Jay-Z or Ellen Degenerate or Kanye West or Cornel West or Cynthia McKinney or Cindy Sheehan or Bono or Bozo the Clown in charge of DoD, anyone but a pro-American hawk and preferably some trans-gender Islamofriendly communist, but he has to wait until things go completely sideways again for us in the Middle East or whatever once he’s firmly past the transition period and he can scuttle Gates and replace him with Mumia Abu Jamal or Rosie O’Dogshit.


7 posted on 12/29/2008 11:30:44 PM PST by VigilantAmerican (We will not waver, we will not tire; we will not falter, we will not fail)
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To: Warriormom

....sarah....


8 posted on 12/30/2008 12:09:24 AM PST by ExGeeEye (COTUS 2A should be the USA's ONLY gun law.)
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To: scottywr

I have decided to steer my children away from the military. I dont like how it has been handled lately. I would encourage them to join a defensive force in a minute,but these incursions dont work. I will not put my children in harms way when our military is fighting battles and the war itself is treated like a crime scene. I will not let my children fight with the administrations tying one hand behink their backs.

It will be worse under Obama.


9 posted on 12/30/2008 5:38:57 AM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: Syncro

I know over 1,000 vets and their spouses in two vet organizations. Every one loathes The One.


10 posted on 12/30/2008 6:11:30 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Chickensoup

You sound like a complete idiot.


11 posted on 12/30/2008 7:13:57 AM PST by ma bell (Screw the Illegal Aliens... ps - they are illegal aliens..not "undocumented workers")
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To: ma bell

You sound like a complete idiot.

Why? Because I disagree with you?

You are a small-minded simpleton who cannot see beyond your nose.

And cant let anyone else have a different opinion.


12 posted on 12/30/2008 7:16:46 AM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: Chickensoup
chickenlittle wrote I would encourage them to join a defensive force in a minute,but these incursions dont work. I will not put my children in harms way"

I'm sorry, but once your kids are 18, you have no choice in their desire to enlist or refuse to put themselves in harms way like those of us that have or currently doing. That further belittles your opinion you have of the military.

Defensive Force?? What, join the Michigan Militia? That is eerily similar of what Caroline Kennedy said to why she wants to have Clintons long-time vacated Senate seat - an Airheaded rationale of an answer.

13 posted on 12/30/2008 7:24:32 AM PST by ma bell (Screw the Illegal Aliens... ps - they are illegal aliens..not "undocumented workers")
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To: Chickensoup
I would request that you allow your children to make their own decisions in regards to the military. I'm in the Army, I've been in for two and a half years, and I'm about to re-enlist. I am not pleased with who my Commander-in-Chief is going to be, but it doesn't affect my decision to re-enlist. For me, the hardest part of re-enlisting is deciding what duty station I want next! I want to get more training, more experience, before I even consider leaving the military. I'm acquiring skills that would have been difficult to nearly impossible to get in the civilian world.

I understand what you're saying, though. But nevertheless - I serve the United States of America - and not the Republican Party. Although it does seem like the Republican Army sometimes, with the very small number of liberals I've come across....

14 posted on 12/30/2008 7:38:19 AM PST by tlj18
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To: VigilantAmerican

I wouldn’t lump jay-Z or Bono in with that other shite.


15 posted on 12/30/2008 7:51:22 AM PST by steve8714
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To: ExGeeEye

I agree that she has what it takes, but she was damaged during the campaign. Hopefully, she will want to repair the damage and get back on the national stage. The democrats did a great job of defining her and she fell right into their trap with her Couric interviews - that will be a lot to overcome, but I think that she can do it.

The people I see making their move are (in no certain order)Mark Sanford, Kenneth Blackwell and Michael Steele. I think Newt Gingrigh would like to be a player, and I like him alot, but I think he was way too much baggage and isn’t electable.


16 posted on 12/30/2008 9:03:14 AM PST by Warriormom
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To: tlj18

You are in the military and power to you.

I dont control my children but I certainly have infuence. I can and do encourage them. I will strongly discourage miliary service at this time because I think that we are not having wars. Instead these police actions with tribunals second guessing the troops are horrible and cause soldiers to be operating with a lawyer in their mind. It is, in my opinion insane. It doesnt matter who is in office. It is not a democarat or republican problem, it is a will to win problem on the part of the US government.


17 posted on 12/30/2008 9:04:35 AM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: scottywr
My youngest son loves the idea of serving and really wants an ROTC scholarship.

Go for it!!! That's how I paid my way through college at a very expensive private university. I'm proud of the fact that my parents didn't have to put out a dime for my college education.

There's a little secret they don't let on about: a final decision doesn't have to be made until after the sophomore year. If your son decides he's not cut out for the military, he can resign his schollie at that time.

I didn't know about that codicil, but it wouldn't have mattered. I stayed in for eight years.

18 posted on 12/30/2008 9:08:10 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Don't blame me...I voted for Palin!)
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To: Syncro

Time for me to get flamed. I just watched the video attached to your post and was disturbed by what I saw.
These young Marines may not like Sen Obama, but they need to respect the office he holds. They should be on their feet when they are talking to a United States Senetor. It doesn’t matter what their feelings are for the man, they still must uphold the customs and courtesies of our beloved Corps. That being said I’m pretty sure there was a SgtMaj present who corrected this at the appropriate time.

Let the flaming begin!!


19 posted on 12/30/2008 9:09:11 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: ma bell

I dont think it is an airhead response. I am tired of sending our children into Chaos-stan to fight in centturies old animosities. May Chaostan fall into itself.

No I dont think that my chidren should join a milita. I think the US should be focusing in on protection and survival instead of spending monies overseas.


20 posted on 12/30/2008 9:09:28 AM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: tlj18

Thanks for your service! I spent my tour in Germany under the “leadership” of Jimmy Carter. He was a major disappointment as CINC.


21 posted on 12/30/2008 9:10:50 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Don't blame me...I voted for Palin!)
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To: Chickensoup

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I assume you are the mother of these children, and I totally understand your concerns. Our son’s desire to serve in the military came completely out of the blue for us. To say we were stunned is the understatement of all time. We bought time by saying it would be wise to wait until after the elections to see who his Commander in Chief would be.

In the meantime, we have been privileged to host several of his fellow Marine Officers and Candidates in our home. One of his best friends in high school graduated from West Point last June. Our son attended and was greatly impressed — so much so, he made his final decision to join the Marines. ;-)

I can only say that the eyes are the windows of the soul and the eyes I have seen since the election are wary and alert. All those who have a love for this country and would gladly die to defend our way of life and this country’s borders are worried, but (and it’s a big BUT) they love this country more. They all love what they do — would do it no matter what restrictions are placed on their ability to do their jobs. Each and every one of those I have met acknowledge PEBO is cause for caution, but each and every one has said, I serve my country and I rely upon our superiors to serve us.

In the end, your sons and daughters will chose their own path, and you, as their parent, will accept with grace and dignity the decision they make. Caution, admonish, then allow them the respect of making their own way. Believe me, it’s harder on you than it is on them — and that’s saying something.


22 posted on 12/30/2008 10:45:24 AM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: sean327
Your post isn't worthy of flaming, just correcting.

They showed no disrespect.

There was no need to get to their feet at the presence of faux (he hasn't earned his pay for that job for about 2 years) Senator Obama.

There is no rule that service personnel have to be on their feet to speak to a US Senator anyway.

I guess Senators are too elite and too much trouble to eat with if you have to stand up to say “pass the salt please.”

Of course Obama didn't even do them the courtesy of eating with them, much less serving them dinner when President Bush did.

Your insinuation that they are being discourteous to the Corps or even to an absent Senator in his workout clothes is absurd.

I imagine you complained about the Serviceman who had his picture taken with Senator Hilliary Rodman Clinton with his fingers crossed, huh?

If it will make you feel more justified, take this a a flame.

: >)

23 posted on 12/30/2008 11:26:09 AM PST by Syncro (Mi Tag Line)
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To: Warriormom
...she was damaged during the campaign...The democrats did a great job of defining her and she fell right into their trap with her Couric interviews...

IMHO:

She was damaged only in the eyes of those who have respect for the democrats and their media machine.

She shone during the Couric interview, and the Gibson interview. It could only have been better if she had reached out and slapped each of them across their smarmy pusses.

She has nothing to overcome, but must hold to what brought her to prominence, i.e. a record of common-sense success in her current job commingled with a down-to-earth reality that would serve the nation well, if only more people would return to it.

Of course, I also thought the turkey abattoir interview was pure gold for a couple of reasons. Maybe I'm just weird.

24 posted on 12/30/2008 12:20:09 PM PST by ExGeeEye (COTUS 2A should be the USA's ONLY gun law.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Congratulations on your son’s decision.

I think we have some of the best men in this country in the military.

I have no issues with the troops.

The leadership however, concerns me deeply.


25 posted on 12/30/2008 12:24:25 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: scottywr
My youngest son loves the idea of serving and really wants an ROTC scholarship. I’m not thrilled with the prospect of him serving under the obomination, and I don’t think he is as excited anymore. I think the volunteer military is really going to suffer over the next 4 years. I’m worried.

Bill Clinton is the reason I never served. I just couldn't do it with him as CiC. I wonder how many other young men are thinking the same thing with Obama.
26 posted on 12/30/2008 12:37:06 PM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: sean327
Your condescending, degrading and misrepresenting FR mail to me was out of line and my statements here on this thread highly misconstrued.

If you wish to post to my comments, do so here.

If you choose to lecture me in FR mail anymore, I reserve the option of posting all of them here.

27 posted on 12/30/2008 12:57:06 PM PST by Syncro (Mi Tag Line)
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To: sean327

I watched the video too, but all I saw of Obama with the troops was a still shot that was shown for a number of seconds. There was no video, as was shown for President Bush’s visit with the troops. Did I miss something? If not, the clip is misleading.


28 posted on 12/30/2008 1:29:29 PM PST by Crystal Cove
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To: Chickensoup
You have every reason to be concerned about your children serving in the coming years.

To begin with, with Hellary as Sec. of State, out Military will be handed over to the U.N. again like they were under Slick. Funding will also be severely cut off at the boot laces. They will be forced to go back to sharing body armor. (The few who will be left.)

There will be World crisis like we haven't seen since the ‘30’s and ‘40’s. Probably a mushroom cloud or two on the horizon as well.

29 posted on 12/30/2008 1:47:21 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go?)
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To: sean327

What they SHOULD have done is spat their food into his face, kicked the living shit out of him, then shot or hung him for treason.


30 posted on 12/30/2008 1:50:50 PM PST by VigilantAmerican (We will not waver, we will not tire; we will not falter, we will not fail)
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To: sean327
Senators who refuse to salute the flag, or honor the troops, deserve to be shunned.

Just because they serve their country does not obligate them to reward disrespect from traitors who choose to call themselves Senators but refuse to face the flag and place his hand over his heart as CIVILIANS are required to do.

For Senators, it goes beyond protocol. For Obama to violate his duty to honor his country, America's finest are completely justified by refusing to show their respect.

31 posted on 12/30/2008 2:01:17 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go?)
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To: VigilantAmerican

No, they shouldn’t have.

They gave him the proper minimal respect.

None of those things should have been done by our fine diciplined troops.

And a person should only be shot for treason after a fair trial


32 posted on 12/30/2008 2:06:55 PM PST by Syncro (Mi Tag Line)
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To: ExGeeEye

I thought the Couric interview did her a great disservice - especially when Couric showed Joe Biden answering the same questions. I would have loved it if she had let Couric and Gibson have it, but I think that McCain’s people were sitting on her pretty hard.

I don’t agree that she was only damamged in the eyes of those who have respect for the democrats and their media machine. There are a LOT of stupid people out there and, unfortunately, most of them vote democrat. I hate that there are not enough on the left or right to win elections and that the idiots in the center do the choosing. My 12, 14 & 15-year old children are more informed about politics than most voters.

I think that Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air in the political world and I hope we see her again on a national stage. I think that if she had been at the top of our ticket we could have won. My secret hope was that McCain would have won and then not been able to serve.

John McCain chose her to shake up the race and boy did he! She was the only true maverick on the ticket. McCain and his people tried to put a bit in her mouth and were unsuccessful. Part of me is thankful that McCain didn’t win because I think he would have drug her down. Look at how he has treated her since the election. Heck, look how he treated her during. She was meant to be at the top of a ticket, not second.


33 posted on 12/30/2008 2:11:54 PM PST by Warriormom
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To: Syncro

Sure, sure...and the Gitmo detainees should be coddled and given better medical care than our own troops, then released so they can return to the battlefield and to the public squares where they can kill our boys and slaughter/behead more innocents!!

Oh yeah, and diversity is our strength, right??


34 posted on 12/30/2008 2:12:53 PM PST by VigilantAmerican (We will not waver, we will not tire; we will not falter, we will not fail)
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To: ExGeeEye

I forgot to mention that I thought the turkey interview was great on so many levels.


35 posted on 12/30/2008 2:16:00 PM PST by Warriormom
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To: ExGeeEye

I forgot to mention that I thought the turkey interview was great on so many levels.


36 posted on 12/30/2008 2:16:03 PM PST by Warriormom
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To: VigilantAmerican
My comment of “shot after a fair trial” referred to something happening in the USA.

You know, good old anti-American treason.

There should be no “detainees” at Gitmo.

They should have been shot in battle as they pursued their terrorist activities. Dern shame they weren't.

Yep, I'm also fed up with the political correctness that is rampant at Gitmo.

Take away all of their privileges and fancy meals and various accouterments and let them wait there like normal prisoners eating normal prison food.

If they want to refuse to eat, let them starve.

The ones that flew into the Trade Center had no qualm about eating cocktail olives and other forbidden foods or watching strippers.

All their religious crap-rules are just for show anyway.

The ones who's country of origin we can determine---and that will properly punish them---send them back.

Especially those that say "No, don't send me back to my country!"

37 posted on 12/30/2008 2:24:26 PM PST by Syncro (Mi Tag Line)
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To: VigilantAmerican

Wow, you really want to get these fine young men into big puppy trouble, don’t you!


38 posted on 12/30/2008 2:32:41 PM PST by jacquej
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To: jacquej

No, my agenda really is to see justice for a traitor like Hussein!


39 posted on 12/30/2008 2:46:52 PM PST by VigilantAmerican (We will not waver, we will not tire; we will not falter, we will not fail)
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To: All
Quotes from Barack Hussein Obama:
We have real enemies in the world. These enemies must be found. They must be pursued and they must be defeated.
Barack Obama
Keynote speech to Democratic National Convention, July 2004.

In which case, he should not close Gitmo.

I didn't see the weapons of mass destruction at the time, I didn't think there was an imminent threat from Saddam Hussein.
Barack Obama
Thank goodness he was just a community organizer back then.
Today we are engaged in a deadly global struggle for those who would intimidate, torture, and murder people for exercising the most basic freedoms. If we are to win this struggle and spread those freedoms, we must keep our own moral compass pointed in a true direction.
Barack Obama
Unfortunately his moral compass points towards Mecca.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

Source:   http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

I'm afraid if Obama goes to Gitmo that when he hears the "prettiest sound on Earth" 5 times a day that he may sing along with it in perfect Arabic.

40 posted on 12/30/2008 2:51:21 PM PST by Syncro (Mi Tag Line)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

It just doesnt seem worth the risk without backing from the suits.


41 posted on 12/30/2008 8:05:46 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: Antoninus
I started my service under Ronald Reagan, Reenlisted on the same day we bombed Libia, Served Under Bush Sr. And left when Clintoon was CIC. It was an honor to serve under the first two, but moral dropped under Clinton. I absolutely cannot imagine how bad it's going to get under obama.
42 posted on 01/02/2009 11:42:57 PM PST by scottywr ("Birth Certificate? We don neeed no steenkeen birth certificate!")
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