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Is Religion Necessary?
American Thinker ^ | January 03, 2009 | Joseph Ashby

Posted on 1/3/2009, 10:07:34 AM by neverdem

The least understood idea presented in Mitt Romney's 2007 speech on religion was his statement, "Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom." From Left to Right this comment was savaged and belittled.

Neither Romney's speech nor his answers to questions on the topic indicated exactly why he thought religion was so important to freedom. He did assert that many of the Founding Fathers shared his view. Those familiar with the Founders know there is always a ‘why' in what they believed.

Romney's couplet was based on a statement John Adams made to the US Military where he said:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

To understand this statement we must remember that the Founders based their philosophies on human nature. So what Adams was saying was not theological or religious but pragmatic. George Washington's words clarify Adams' belief:

"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

The debate over whether this concept is anti-atheist ignores Washington's point. Which is that "reason" (the atheist's guiding light) and "experience" tell us that religion is necessary to maintain national morality; not that it's some mystic force that favors believers over non-believers.

There are so many who take personally any mention of religion in a public context, perceiving it as an attack on non-religious, moral individuals. But such statements should be taken in the broadest of all contexts, speaking generally to the entire society and espousing the most basic of all moral principles (such as honesty, fidelity and love for fellow man).

Returning to Adams' point, America's Constitutional system specifically requires a high level of morality (and by extension religion). This is because of the broad freedoms the Constitution affords. At the time Adams was president there were no drug laws, gun control laws, disaster relief or welfare programs.  In essence, the Founding was built on the principle that Americans not only could but must govern themselves.

Self governance cannot function without morality. As morals decline, laws expand and freedoms necessarily contract. This is because no law is perfect. The perfect application of law is only possible if the lawmaker and judge are omniscient, knowing every reason a law exists and every detail, even the thoughts, of the alleged law-breaker.

Since this is impossible, the best situation is to have the fewest laws possible, to avoid illegalizing proper behavior under legislation's inevitably wide swath. The more self-regulating (or moral) a nation is collectively, the fewer laws needed to maintain order.

As national morality declines, inducing governments and citizens to favor more laws, the less plausible our Constitutional system becomes.

Recent tactics of the pro-gay marriage camp are a perfect illustration of this principle. As reports mount of out of hand protests and intimidation, it's obvious that what they are doing is wrong. The Stalinist tactics used to target private citizens, business and churches are clearly a perversion of First Amendment rights.

Unfortunately, this problem has no solution that can be both legislative and Constitutional. Passing a law restricting this behavior destroys the rights of responsible citizens whose actions are too similar to be legally distinguishable.

This dilemma is systemic. Misuse of guns induces public fervor to violate the Second Amendment. Neglectful parents lead to laws that destroy the right to parental prerogatives in raising and educating children. Corrupt politicians provoke expression demolishing restrictions on speech and campaign donations. The immoral use of rights is a precursor to laws that infringe upon those rights.

The only Constitutional solution to these problems is to depend on citizens' sense of morality. In the absence of a "moral and religious people," the rights enumerated in the Constitution are "wholly inadequate" in creating a well-ordered society*. This is the meaning of Adams' words.

The irony should not be lost that the Anti-Prop 8 groups, who call for "the exclusion of religious principle" from constitutions, are the very people demonstrating why it is necessary.

* It should be noted here that in many respects, because government has overstepped its bounds, we are not governed by the Constitution. As our religiosity and morals have declined (and I count socialism's legalized plunder immoral), we have distanced ourselves from the America of John Adams' day. This is yet more empirical evidence supporting his conclusion about morality and religion.

Joseph Ashby is an aeronautical engineer specializing in lightweight carbon composite aircraft design.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: law; liberty; morality; religion
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1 posted on 1/3/2009, 10:07:35 AM by neverdem
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To: Pharmboy

Happy New Year Ping!


2 posted on 1/3/2009, 10:10:58 AM by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Religion is not necessary but it sure makes life nicer. Of course it has to be a religion that cherishes life and doesn’t advocate hate, intolerance and murder.


3 posted on 1/3/2009, 10:18:08 AM by rfreedom4u (Political correctness is a form of censorship!)
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To: neverdem

In my belief, I feel that the first gift God gave man was freewill. God wants us to come to Him freely. Who am I to put a gun to someones head and tell them how to think? Therefore, it is essential that freedom and Religion go hand in hand.

That is my opinion anyway.


4 posted on 1/3/2009, 10:27:19 AM by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: All

GOD is necessary.


5 posted on 1/3/2009, 10:30:53 AM by Cindy
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To: Cindy
And everything else will fall into place.

I believe that if we could follow God's laws, we would have Heaven here on Earth.

If we didn't kill, we would live in peace.

If we didn't steal, we would trust each other.

If we didn't covet or neighbors belongings, we would not feel jealous.

If others would see the need for God, we could change the world.

God gave us these laws for a reason. If we all lived by God's laws, this would be an entirely different planet. As for now, I have to live here with the likes of terrorist, mass murderers, thieves, thugs, child molesters, and other creepy crawly things. I look forward to going home. God will write His laws in my heart and sign His name at the bottom of the list; and He will be my God and I will happily be His servant.

6 posted on 1/3/2009, 10:45:42 AM by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: Cindy
And I would like to add that the great thing is this:

The greatest leader is the greatest servant. Did you see how Yeshua served us on the Cross? He has served us well. You are all lucky that God didn't ask me to hang on a cross for your sins. ;-)

7 posted on 1/3/2009, 10:50:10 AM by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: neverdem

It may not be necessary.

But it’s unavoidable.
(Which is a damn sad construct when you look at it, sorta like the lottery.)


8 posted on 1/3/2009, 10:55:11 AM by djf (< Tagline closed until further notice. Awaiting bailout >)
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To: neverdem

Religion??
We don't need no steenkin religion!!
9 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:11:01 AM by djf (< Tagline closed until further notice. Awaiting bailout >)
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To: neverdem

Religion is unnecessary. Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao did just fine without it.


10 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:14:12 AM by MathDoc (Don't blame me, I voted for Governor Palin and the wrinkly white-haired guy)
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To: djf

PREACHER of hate Omar Bakri is boldly going where no imam has gone before — ordering followers to convert ALIENS to Islam.

11 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:22:19 AM by csvset
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To: neverdem

Someone should ask God if we are necessary.


12 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:22:30 AM by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
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To: MathDoc

lol

good point


13 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:23:29 AM by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: MathDoc

Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki never happened? Or the firebombing of Germany?

People kill.

It’s not a democrat thing or a republican thing.
Or a communist thing or a Japanese thing.

It happens. If we were smart at all, it should tell us more about ourselves.


14 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:24:40 AM by djf (< Tagline closed until further notice. Awaiting bailout >)
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To: neverdem

Everybody has religion. Some have reality.


15 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:26:01 AM by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: BigCinBigD

Seems to me lately that would be like asking one of us if mosquitoes were necessary...

Weird that a person can kinda have almost everything he needs, but fall asleep each night and feel totally, completely alone and abandoned..

Sad end to what might have been a promising story.


16 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:32:24 AM by djf (< Tagline closed until further notice. Awaiting bailout >)
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To: djf; MathDoc

“People kill.

It’s not a democrat thing or a republican thing.
Or a communist thing or a Japanese thing.”

Yes people kill. But the people he mentioned were very very good at killing people. They killed more people than everyone else combined.

They didn’t believe religion was necessary and eliminated it from their culture.


17 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:35:32 AM by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: djf

These people were mass murderers of their own people.

We were at war with Japan and Germany. Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved millions of American lives.

How can you compare fighting for freedom and/or survival to the people who murdered their own people in mass numbers?

Sometimes, the peacekeeper is the one who gets rid of the bad guy so the rest of the people can live in peace.


18 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:36:04 AM by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: neverdem

Bingo!


19 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:36:31 AM by hershey
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To: Just mythoughts

“Everybody has religion. Some have reality.”

And some have a false reality based upon their egos or unwillingness to admit the world does not revolve around them.


20 posted on 1/3/2009, 11:36:57 AM by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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