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House Democrats Change Rules to Silence GOP
Citizen Link ^ | 1-7-09 | Jennifer Mesko

Posted on 01/08/2009 6:00:18 AM PST by Sopater

Shift could create 'the most closed Congress in history.'

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has brought back archaic procedures in order to silence conservatives.

On Tuesday, the full House passed the Rules Package for the 111th Congress, 242-181. The changes limit the GOP's ability to use procedural rules like the Motion to Recommit, which is the last opportunity for the minority party to amend a bill before it passes.

“The new rules consolidate power in the hands of a few and attempt to silence Republican input on key policy debates, in addition to making a mockery of the Democratic leaders' promises of presiding over an open Congress," Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said in a statement.

In the last Congress, Republicans were able to block some of the Democrats’ tax increases using a Motion to Recommit.

California Rep. David Dreier, ranking Republican on the House Rules Committee, called Pelosi's changes an "act of pure cynicism," according to The Washington Times. He said the changes will create "the most closed Congress in history."

Tom McClusky, vice president for government affairs at FRC Action, agreed.

"It severely limits the democratic process in the House," he said, "and doesn’t allow the minority to speak out on a number of issues where they represent a large amount of the American public.”

The House also repealed a rule limiting committee chairmen to three terms as head of a committee.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho2009; congress; democrats; dreier; economy; islamofascism; pelosi

1 posted on 01/08/2009 6:00:18 AM PST by Sopater
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To: Sopater

The true ‘change’ that 0bama promised. To quote Rahm from a few years back ‘Republicans can go **** themselves’.


2 posted on 01/08/2009 6:02:23 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Sopater

When things screwup they cant blame the Republicians.


3 posted on 01/08/2009 6:03:45 AM PST by bikerman
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To: bikerman

Wanna bet?


4 posted on 01/08/2009 6:04:25 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Sopater
It's not the hundred or so Republicans in Congress that Pelosi is screwing. It's the millions of ordinary American citizens they represent.

I pray to God for Justice.
5 posted on 01/08/2009 6:04:38 AM PST by eCSMaster
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To: bikerman

They can, and they will, and the media will cheer. The sheeple will believe the media because they can’t “lie on television”.


6 posted on 01/08/2009 6:05:44 AM PST by Theodore R. (GWB is neither "compassionate nor conservative.")
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To: Sopater
Shrug... the GOP should have done this when it was in charge.

I really don't see the big problem here. To the victor go the spoils. Perhaps the GOP will need to move to win back a majority in 2010. Of course, if it does manage to do that, it will probably reinstate all of these rules "out of fairness."

7 posted on 01/08/2009 6:06:19 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Sopater

Wait! THe Republicans didn’t do that to the Democrats when they were a minority! What gives? Aren’t the Democrats going to play nice and be “bipartisan” like the Republicans did?!

Republicans = the tweedleDUMB party


8 posted on 01/08/2009 6:12:29 AM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: Sopater

This is exactly the change the One hoped for.


9 posted on 01/08/2009 6:12:58 AM PST by Carley
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To: bikerman

They will ALWAYS blame the Republicans. They’re VICTIMS without any personal responsibility...remember?


10 posted on 01/08/2009 6:13:41 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Sopater

Support candidates who run against Reid and Pelosi.


11 posted on 01/08/2009 6:16:05 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Sopater
JENERETTE MAXIM of POWER, STRUCTURE AND RULES[borrowed]:

Whoever has the power to make the rules and designs the structure will determine those who can participate and ultimately will determine what the outcome will be.

Katherine

Katherine Jenerette

12 posted on 01/08/2009 6:23:46 AM PST by kjenerette (www.jenerette.org - U.S. Army Paratrooper - U.S. Congress 2010)
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To: bikerman

***When things screwup they cant blame the Republicians***

They will be arguing that “Bush did it” for the next 20 years.


13 posted on 01/08/2009 6:35:00 AM PST by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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To: Sopater
Republicans need to take a page from the Obama election campaign. They very successfully organized and mobilized the Internet, and on the ground operatives to reach the grass roots voters. Give it back to them in spades!!!
14 posted on 01/08/2009 6:36:07 AM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: eCSMaster

“...I pray to God for Justice.”

always!!! but remember when you are out in your boat and a storm is approaching, “pray to God but row toward shore.” - which is great theology - and politics.

don’t just let it happen - do something!!!


15 posted on 01/08/2009 6:41:34 AM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: Sopater

So why did the Rinos bend over and spread-em when they were in the majority? Are the democrats the only ones who know how to take advantage of being the majority party?


16 posted on 01/08/2009 6:43:59 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Sopater

This is great news. When republicans were running things they shared the power. Well I hope the twits learn something in case they ever get a second chance. But I doubt they will.


17 posted on 01/08/2009 6:46:22 AM PST by stockpirate (To each according to their needs, (bailout) from each according to their ability(bailout funds))
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To: pnh102

The GOP should have silenced the Democrats, thereby silencing their constituents? Yeah, THAT’S real Constitutional. Leave it to a “true conservative” to state an idea like that.


18 posted on 01/08/2009 6:47:44 AM PST by cake_crumb (Waiting for Dear Leader Obama to drop sea levels and heal Earth.)
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To: Sopater

I sent a pretty harsh e-mail to my local House rep. It won’t do any good, but I did let off a little steam.


19 posted on 01/08/2009 6:52:30 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: cake_crumb
The GOP should have silenced the Democrats, thereby silencing their constituents? Yeah, THAT’S real Constitutional. Leave it to a “true conservative” to state an idea like that.

And why is that a bad idea, provided that it is indeed Constitutional? Since these are simply House Rules changes I highly doubt there would be a problem constitutionally.

During the time the GOP ran Congress, the Democrats were given a say. Look where it got the GOP.

20 posted on 01/08/2009 6:52:53 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Sopater

Next there will be a separate chamber for the Republicans so they can’t even listen as new taxes are passed. They will receive a summary report within 24 hours.


21 posted on 01/08/2009 6:53:47 AM PST by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: Sender

Hardly any need to put things to a vote anymore, is there?


22 posted on 01/08/2009 7:00:24 AM PST by thulldud (All your rumor are mong to us.)
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To: pnh102
.....it will probably reinstate all of these rules "out of fairness."

Bob Michel is gone, the RiNO's are gradually extinguishing themselves.

Bring back Newt. He won't make any more mistakes in dealing with those people. Just don't make him Speaker -- he was wasted as Speaker of the House.

Newt needs to have some other sort of factional pulpit, like maybe RNCC. Giving everyone a fair show and keeping the House moving, as Speaker, and prosecuting the platform of the GOP are two often non-overlapping suites of responsibility.

23 posted on 01/08/2009 7:00:36 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Sopater
Silence the people, it's already started & the "O" isn't even in office yet.

Marxism at it's best!

24 posted on 01/08/2009 7:01:05 AM PST by blondee123 (Never acknowledge a Marxist as President of the United States of America!)
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To: cake_crumb
The GOP should have silenced the Democrats, thereby silencing their constituents? Yeah, THAT’S real Constitutional. Leave it to a “true conservative” to state an idea like that.

I agree. Looks like some on here want the GOP to act like the socialist Dems which will never happen. Makes me wonder about some of these "true conservatives" and their lack of knowledge about how the Congress should operate.

25 posted on 01/08/2009 7:08:37 AM PST by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Sam Bradford Heisman! LetsGetThisRight.com RED STATE Oklahoma Republican)
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To: thulldud

The democrats’ lust for power is ungovernable and unlimited. Now that they have a total lock on the government, I think we’re going to see soem really crazy, third-world type stuff.

Like locking all Republicans out of the chambers of Congress. They could say that since there aren’t enough Republicans left to affect the passage of legislation, there’s no reason for them to even come to work anymore.

They may even declare that the Republican party is an illegal organization because they “supported war crimes,” or some other canard.

Hang on, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.


26 posted on 01/08/2009 7:14:38 AM PST by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: bikerman
When things screwup they cant blame the Republicians.

If the republicans were smart enough not to vote with them, but you watch, the democrats will drag a little pork down the isles and the republicans will jump on it like a pack of wild dogs.

27 posted on 01/08/2009 7:16:11 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: Sopater

Let’s see how widely this gets reported by the MSM! Not! Keep moving, nothing to see here!


28 posted on 01/08/2009 7:22:35 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Sopater
"Integrity, civility, bipartisanship".....blah..blah..blahhh


29 posted on 01/08/2009 7:30:36 AM PST by tflabo
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To: Sopater
H. RES. 5

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 4
(Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)

      H RES 5      YEA-AND-NAY      6-Jan-2009      4:31 PM
      QUESTION:  On Agreeing to the Resolution
      BILL TITLE: Adopting rules for the One Hundred Eleventh Congress

Yeas Nays PRES NV
Democratic 242 6   7
Republican   175    
Independent        
TOTALS 242 181   7


---- YEAS    242 ---

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Adler (NJ)
Altmire
Andrews
Arcuri
Baca
Baldwin
Barrow
Bean
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boccieri
Boren
Boswell
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Bright
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carson (IN)
Castor (FL)
Chandler
Childers
Clarke
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Dahlkemper
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
Davis (TN)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Donnelly (IN)
Doyle
Driehaus
Edwards (MD)
Edwards (TX)
Ellison
Ellsworth
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Foster
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Giffords
Gillibrand
Gonzalez
Gordon (TN)
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Griffith
Grijalva
Hall (NY)
Halvorson
Hare
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Heinrich
Herseth Sandlin
Higgins
Hill
Himes
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hodes
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kagen
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kilroy
Kind
Kirkpatrick (AZ)
Kissell
Klein (FL)
Kosmas
Kratovil
Kucinich
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Luján
Lynch
Maffei
Maloney
Markey (CO)
Markey (MA)
Marshall
Massa
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McMahon
McNerney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mitchell
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murphy, Patrick
Murtha
Nadler (NY)
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Nye
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Pallone
Pascrell
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Perriello
Peters
Peterson
Pingree (ME)
Polis (CO)
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Richardson
Rodriguez
Ross
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schauer
Schiff
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sestak
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Shuler
Sires
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Space
Speier
Spratt
Stark
Stupak
Sutton
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor
Teague
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Titus
Tonko
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walz
Wasserman Schultz
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch
Wexler
Wilson (OH)
Wu
Yarmuth

---- NAYS    180 ---

Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Austria
Bachmann
Bachus
Baird
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehner
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boozman
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Broun (GA)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Buchanan
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Buyer
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Cantor
Cao
Capito
Carter
Cassidy
Castle
Chaffetz
Coble
Coffman (CO)
Cole
Conaway
Crenshaw
Culberson
Davis (KY)
Deal (GA)
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dreier
Duncan
Ehlers
Emerson
Fallin
Flake
Fleming
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Granger
Graves
Guthrie
Hall (TX)
Harper
Heller
Hensarling
Herger
Hoekstra
Hunter
Inglis
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Jordan (OH)
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline (MN)
Lamborn
Lance
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Lee (NY)
Lewis (CA)
Linder
LoBiondo
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McClintock
McCotter
McHenry
McHugh
McKeon
McMorris Rodgers
Mica
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Minnick
Moran (KS)
Murphy, Tim
Myrick
Neugebauer
Nunes
Olson
Pastor (AZ)
Paul
Paulsen
Pence
Petri
Pitts
Platts
Poe (TX)
Posey
Price (GA)
Putnam
Radanovich
Rehberg
Reichert
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rohrabacher
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Scalise
Schmidt
Schock
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Souder
Stearns
Sullivan
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Upton
Walden
Wamp
Waters
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Woolsey
Young (AK)
Young (FL)

---- NOT VOTING    7 ---

Boucher
Capuano
Melancon
Pomeroy
Sanchez, Loretta
Solis (CA)
Towns



30 posted on 01/08/2009 7:32:05 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Mrs.Z
They will be arguing that “Bush did it” for the next 20 years

So will a large percentage of Freepers.

Personally, I'm missing President Bush already and he isn't gone yet!

31 posted on 01/08/2009 7:37:04 AM PST by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: kjenerette

You got my vote.


32 posted on 01/08/2009 7:40:41 AM PST by USAF70 (America is not 'governed' by the President or Congress. America is governed by the U.S.Constitution.)
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To: savedbygrace

Pastor voted “Nay”? I’ll be darned.


33 posted on 01/08/2009 8:04:00 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Sopater

Next time some Republican like New Gingrich proposes to change the rules in favor of fairness, it should be pointed out that fairness is partisan, and so is only for Republicans; because Democrats will not reciprocate.

Instead, when next the Republicans are in power, they should tighten the rules further, to escalate against the Democrats until they squeal, because they are locked out of power.

It’s called payback.


34 posted on 01/08/2009 8:04:15 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: eCSMaster
It's not the hundred or so Republicans in Congress that Pelosi is screwing. It's the millions of ordinary American citizens they represent.

I wouldn't blame the Republicans if they decided to just walk out and let the Dems have Congress! At least, when things get so screwed up, there would only be one party to blame. That is the only way we will ever overcome the bias media coverage that excoriates Republicans for every conceivable action. At the same time, they either praise every move the Dems make or totally ignore the things that bring negative light to their "chosen ones".

35 posted on 01/08/2009 8:11:43 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: pnh102

“And why is that a bad idea, provided that it is indeed Constitutional? Since these are simply House Rules changes I highly doubt there would be a problem constitutionally.”

I disagree. Each citizen of the U.S. has a right to full representation. Even though these are House rules, they are being applied unevenly. Pelosi is basically saying that Democrat constituents can have full representation, but Republican constituents cannot. If she is going to make rules, they should be made equally for all members. She shouldn’t have the power to cut off full representation to one segment of the voting citizenry.


36 posted on 01/08/2009 8:23:27 AM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: pnh102
Shrug... the GOP should have done this when it was in charge.
I really don't see the big problem here. To the victor go the spoils. Perhaps the GOP will need to move to win back a majority in 2010. Of course, if it does manage to do that, it will probably reinstate all of these rules "out of fairness."

EXACTLY. "Reaching across the aisles" only applies when the Democrats are out of power. I am so sick of these damned wussy Republicans - we have no one left to speak for Middle America.

37 posted on 01/08/2009 8:26:57 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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