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Goose hunt OK'd by state
northjersey.com ^ | 01.08.09 | SCOTT FALLON

Posted on 01/11/2009 5:00:48 PM PST by Coleus

State officials have authorized a special hunt for snow geese this spring in an attempt to control an exploding population that has damaged fields and nesting areas. 

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Snow geese in the Brigantine area.  Hunters will be allowed to kill an unlimited number of the geese from March 11 to April 18 under a conservation order issued by the state Division of Fish and Wildlife. The number of snow geese in North America has increased to more than 1 million in recent years — twice the ideal population, state officials said.

"They have become exceptionally abundant," said Ted Nichols, a wildlife biologist for the state Department of Environmental Protection.  

The Hudson Bay Project has created a slideshow depicting damage to the Hudson and James Bay coastal area by the growing mid-continent population of lesser snow geese.

 Images of Degradation

The snow geese have also threatened the habitats of a variety of shore birds in New Jersey, Nichols said.  Since grain and grass are their main sources of food, the birds have caused serious damage to farms on migration areas in Canada and the United States.   "There are stunning photographs of fields that are fenced off from [snow geese]," Nichols said. "You see a vibrant green. Everywhere else looks like a stark desert."

Snow goose hunting was stopped in the eastern part of the United States in 1916 due to low population levels. Hunting was allowed again in 1975 when the population increased.   In 1999, President Clinton signed legislation authorizing 24 Midwestern and Southern states to allow the normally-prohibited electronic goose calls and unplugged shotguns to be used during geese season. It also allowed all states to extend the goose hunting season to eliminate as many birds as possible.

The regular goose season usually ends in March and limits hunters to 15 birds a day.  Under the order, the geese may not be hunted on Sundays. Hunters are allowed to use electronic calls and may have up to seven shells loaded in their shotguns.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: canadiangeese; esa; flyingrats; hunting; pests
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1 posted on 01/11/2009 5:00:50 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

2 posted on 01/11/2009 5:06:11 PM PST by Roscoe Karns
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To: Coleus

We need a federally approved urban hunting season for Canadian Geese here in the South.


3 posted on 01/11/2009 5:19:53 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Coleus

Don’t tell PETA. Shhhhhhhh!


4 posted on 01/11/2009 5:22:23 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Coleus

I have no personal experience, but I have been told the problem with snow geese is the great numbers they congregate in. This makes them extremely hard to decoy, or jump shoot [sneak up on] and generally means that the entire mass leaves the area of the blind after one volley of shots.

The answer may be some good old fashioned medium range sniping with quiet, subsonic rounds. However, this practice is not acceptable under game laws.

Anyone with any experience with these buggers have any thoughts?


5 posted on 01/11/2009 5:33:25 PM PST by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: Coleus

Why don’t they have some sort of contraception program? Geese seem like a pretty reasonable sort of bird.


6 posted on 01/11/2009 5:33:29 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Rebelbase
My dogs are absolutely slavering to take on a Canada.

There are a number of those nasty birds on a high school campus near us -- they set up shop in the pond in front of the administration building and never leave.

Every time I walk my dogs past there they start bounding up and down on the end of the leashes -- "Let me at 'em! Let me at 'em!" They think because they can handle an angry live mallard hen that they can deal with a Canada. They're wrong of course -- at least not without some assistance from my faithful 12 gauge. An irritated and still capable Canada can put some real hurt on a retriever.

My eight-year-old girl is a very small dog for a Lab (43 pounds) but she is a cagey old hunting dog and could probably dodge and grab. My little two-year-old would get absolutely destroyed.

7 posted on 01/11/2009 5:36:45 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: R W Reactionairy
Hunting Snow Geese

I got more than I can deal with with mallards, quail, and chukars.

8 posted on 01/11/2009 5:40:54 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: R W Reactionairy

During the 50s and 60s, my dad and brothers would field stalk Canadas. While that technique worked with mallards, the Canadas were so smart and edgy that the number of birds we shot over the years could be counted on two hands. Sometimes our car driving a mile away spooked the buggers. It was the monumental challenge of that method that kept us intrigued by what was a really sporting effort.

Fast forward a few decades. The Canada’s descendents eat out of people’s hands in the downtown park.

Surprising 10,000 mallard flocks in the fields years ago used to impress me. But two years ago I came upon a 5,000 Canada flock gathered on the soccer field of Gonzaga University next to the Spokane River. A walker had intentionally let his dog off his leash, and all 5,000 took off at one time and went over my head onto the the river. The sight and noise was incredible.


9 posted on 01/11/2009 5:57:52 PM PST by qwertypie
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To: AnAmericanMother

A real depression with food shortages will put an end to the over abundance of Canadian geese in the urban areas. That’s not saying that the Sheriff of Nottingham won’t be acting on the King’s orders to try and stop it though.


10 posted on 01/11/2009 5:58:23 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: AnAmericanMother
I have what we call Canadian geese in my area of NJ but they don't look like these geese. My town uses the Geese Police to get rid of them. I think they are border collies from what I've seen of them. Those dogs do a really good job at getting the geese out of the parks but I am sure they return in a few days.
11 posted on 01/11/2009 5:58:58 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: pandoraou812
Technically speaking they are correctly termed "Canada Geese" - although a lot of people do call them "Canadian Geese".

They aren't the same as Snow Geese, but we don't get snowys here. You'll see them up in the N.J./Chesapeake coastal areas and in Iowa and parts thereabouts. They winter on the W Gulf Coast.

My authority is Roger Tory Peterson's field guide.

I'm familiar with the Geese Police - we have them around here. Border Collies won't actually close with any goose, they just stalk them until they get nervous and leave. If you're persistent in running them off regularly, they'll find greener corporate pastures where they're not harassed constantly (especially if they're nesting).

The problem with retrievers, as opposed to the BCs, is that they WANT to go grab that goose by the back and drag it to your left side, not just stalk it. And my girls really do believe they can do it, but they aren't going to be sent after a goose until I'm sure it's REALLY dead.

As soon as we get a season on non-migratory Canadas in office parks, we will be out there in force.

12 posted on 01/11/2009 6:18:33 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: Rebelbase
There's already a program here to donate extra venison and birds to the local homeless shelters.

Some lucky guys got pheasant -- although not under glass!

Problem is that both ducks and geese are a pain to cook properly. Somebody who's poaching the King's Canadas had better have a good hot oven and a large roasting pan (and a bailer ... those things are GREASY!)

13 posted on 01/11/2009 6:20:46 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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A few months ago, I went to a sales conference in a suburb of Chicago. The corporate office lawn was thick with the damn things.

You literally could not tiptoe through the parking lot to the entrance. What a filthy mess! Those things were dropping piles that would rival my Australian Shepherd!

14 posted on 01/11/2009 6:33:51 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: Rebelbase

You mean Canada Geese?


15 posted on 01/11/2009 6:35:08 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (CPA, MBA needs a job - referrals welcome)
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To: Coleus

Well for the last several years(maybe 10) in Arkansas there has been NO limit, can shoot 30 min before and after sunrise and sunset. I love goose hunting. Go every year for 4 days. Yea can hardly wait. Last week in February. Plus you can uplug your shotgun!!!


16 posted on 01/11/2009 6:35:51 PM PST by therut
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To: Coleus

Eastern US? I live near Philadephia and have seen one.


17 posted on 01/11/2009 6:37:04 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (CPA, MBA needs a job - referrals welcome)
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To: R W Reactionairy
They fly in flocks of tens of thousands. They can be seen for miles as they make as black streak in the sky. Yep they are very hard to sneak but boy ole boy if you get a sneak if your have a pan shot and will get alot. But it is a very physical hunt. Sneak down muddy water filled drainage ditches. That is what we do. We watch they sky and go after them. If you find them and put them to bed and get up early and do your sneaking before the sun rises then you have a good chance.
18 posted on 01/11/2009 6:39:04 PM PST by therut
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To: AnAmericanMother

Thanks for the info. I don’t mess with geese at all. I went to the park to feed the ducks & the geese attacked my children years ago. Plus my grandparent’s had a farm & I’ve gotten nipped by them. I get regular ducks in my pool & my little Shih Tzus scare them off. Thankfully the geese don’t seem to like my pool.


19 posted on 01/11/2009 6:43:57 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Canada/Canadian, whatever you call them they are a pest.


20 posted on 01/11/2009 6:55:18 PM PST by Rebelbase
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