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Something rotten in the state of Norway
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Posted on 01/13/2009 1:18:07 AM PST by marthemaria

The pictures tell an interesting story. All over Europa Muslims are protesting the war in Gaza. At the fringes are anti-Israeli and antisemitic slogans and cartoons. But in Norway this extreme Islamist right is echoed in the official press: antisemitic slurs and cartoons are printed in Norway's established newspapers.

It is hard to believe.

On Thursday the 8th of January a rally was held in front of Norway's Parliament building. A few hundred souls protected by 200 police in full riot gear. Many participants were elderly people bussed in from far away. Maybe they didn't know what was in store. Few Oslo citizens dared to go out. There was foreboding in the air.

The daily Dagbladet had two days earlier carried a front page that screamed: Siv Jensen supports the bombing, with the title transposed on a picture of a wounded Palestinian child. Siv Jensen is the leader of Norway's biggest opposition party, the Progress Party. All the other parties tend to agree on major points and keep PP on the outside in spite of a 25-30 percent backing in the opinion polls.

Not only the political parties but also the press has moved to the center-left in later years, presenting the Progress Party as something that does not belong here. Like Israel.

When Siv Jensen dared to speak in front of the Parliament she was committing something like sacrilege, a blasphemy against political decency, a favourite word with the foreign minister, the suave Jonas Gahr Støre.

TV transmitted live what was soon to become the worst riots Oslo has seen in modern times. Hundreds of Muslim youths ran amok, smashing windows, abusing people and shouting "Kill the Jews" and "Allahu akbar".

The pro-Israeli demonstration had to be halted and the participants were shuffled into busses for the ride home. On the way several were attacked and brutally beaten to cries of "Attack the Jew".

The very same night there was a huge protest march, officially pro-peace but unofficially pro-Palestinian. Leader of thee Mosaic community, Anne Sender, and rabbi Joav Melchior decided to take part, but cries of "Kill the Jews" in Arabic made their blood freeze. Melchior wears a kippa, and he was verbally abused and told to go packing. With sadness they both left.

On Saturday there was another demonstration in front of the Parliament building, this time with children in "bloodsoaked" clothes at the front of the march. In spite of several brutal confrontations outside the Israeli embassy Basim Ghozlan, leader of the Islamic Union, urgfed the demonstrators to proceed to the embassy where police were waiting. The children suddenly found themselves sandwiched between police barriers and the surging violent demonstrators pushing from behind. Panic ensued.

Police detained 160 people, most of them young people of Middle Eastern/North African origin. Three kids - 12 to 13 year olds - told how they had been led by a hard core to smash seven MacDonald's restaurants. Then the cry rang out: "To the university to chase Jews."

One should think that the papers woud be full of denunciations and shock that Jews are once again fair game in the streets of Oslo. The last time was under the German occupation during World War II. But there is a strange silence. A few innuendos: "We deplore expressions of racism" etc. But no real shakeup. Why not?

One answer: There is no firewall between criticism of Israel and antisemitism and one is afraid of criticizing the Muslims. An inverse situation: unchecked criticism of Israel, and very timid critcism of Muslims. The situation is not unique in Europe, but seems to deteriorate quickly. A caricature in Norway's largest daily, VG, gives an indication This cartoon appeared onThursday January 8th on the very same day that the mob shouted "Kill the Jews".

Gunnar Stålsett, the former bishop of Oslo and well-known liberal and theologian, said repeatedly that it would be against Christian principles to take part in the demonstration in support of Israel. The leader of the Christian Peoples Party, Dagfinn Høybråten, said it would not be proper for him to take part. Thus, supporters of Israel were reduced to old diehards and presented as such. They were even blamed for the riots that followed. Why couldn't they have stayed at home?

In this way a consensus is created that knows no other perspective than condemning Israel - and the Jews.

The two Norwegian doctors Mads Gilbert and Erik Fosse have gained international fame for their work at the Rifah hospital i Gaza. As insiders, the Norwegian media could have presented a more nuanced view of their reporting from Gaza. Instead the press went over board in their praise of their work, both medical and journalistic.

Answers such as these elicit no further comment:

De to mener forholdene i Gaza minner om gettoen i Warsawa under andre verdenskrig. – Gaza er Warsawa-gettoen på nytt, bare verre. Der ble jøder drept fordi de var jøder. I Gaza blir palestinere drept fordi de er palestinere. Lærer vi ikke fra historien? spør Gilbert opprørt.. .. .. Gilbert tror også på boikott. Selv har han ikke kjøpt israelske Jaffa-appelsiner på flere år.

– Det smaker blod av dem. Kanskje boikott er et språk Israel forstår. Kanskje det får dem til å tenke seg om, sier Gilbert.

translation:

The two of them think the conditions in Gaza resemble the Warzaw ghetto during World War II. "Gaza is a modern version of the Warzaw ghetto, only worse. There Jews were killed because they were Jews. In Gaza, Palestinians are killed because they are Palestinians. Won't we ever learn from history," asks Gilbert full of rage. ...

Gilbert also believes in boycotting Israel. He himself has not bought a Jaffa orange in many years.

"They taste of blood. Maybe boycott would be a language Israel would understand. Maybe it will make them reconsider," says Gilbert.

Interview in the daily Dagsavisen Monday 12th of January 2009.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eurabia; gaza; islam; jihad; macdonalds; muslims; muslimyouths; norway; sioe; stealthjihad; youths

1 posted on 01/13/2009 1:18:07 AM PST by marthemaria
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To: Cindy

Ping...if you’ve not seen this....


2 posted on 01/13/2009 1:22:18 AM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: marthemaria

Sad to see this from Norway.... they have become so enlightened that they are blind.


3 posted on 01/13/2009 1:24:34 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Thanks Brad’s Gramma.
I appreciate the ping.


4 posted on 01/13/2009 1:24:51 AM PST by Cindy
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To: All
SNIPPET from post no. 1:

"Three kids - 12 to 13 year olds - told how they had been led by a hard core to smash seven MacDonald's restaurants. Then the cry rang out: "To the university to chase Jews.""

5 posted on 01/13/2009 1:25:56 AM PST by Cindy
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To: All
SNIPPET from post no. 1:

"Hundreds of Muslim youths ran amok, smashing windows, abusing people and shouting "Kill the Jews" and "Allahu akbar"."

6 posted on 01/13/2009 1:27:03 AM PST by Cindy
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To: All
SNIPPET from post no. 1:

"The pro-Israeli demonstration had to be halted and the participants were shuffled into busses for the ride home. On the way several were attacked and brutally beaten to cries of "Attack the Jew"."

7 posted on 01/13/2009 1:28:23 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Rummyfan
It is very sad. I hope however that his will wake people up and take some action. Sadly I don't think that will be the case.
8 posted on 01/13/2009 1:28:50 AM PST by marthemaria (i)
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To: marthemaria

Norway and Serbia(Yugoslavia) were the only two countries that actually fought the Nazi’s. Considering the Hamas are Nazi’s this is a very sad day.


9 posted on 01/13/2009 1:34:21 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: marthemaria

Maybe Quisling should have been left in charge in Norway.

The socialist pigs there deserve him.


10 posted on 01/13/2009 1:41:14 AM PST by ZULU ( TRAPPED IN NEW JERSEY!!! Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: marthemaria
The fact that there were children and women in front of the demonstration was to show that this would be a peaceful march. However there was not any focus on how all the children were dressed in bloodstained t-schirts and paraded around. It was so disgusting to watch.
11 posted on 01/13/2009 1:45:24 AM PST by marthemaria (i)
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To: marthemaria
But in Norway this extreme Islamist right is echoed in the official press: antisemitic slurs and cartoons are printed in Norway's established newspapers.

It is hard to believe.

No, it is easy to believe.
Papers here in the USA are right on the heels of those newspapers in Norway. It's only a matter of time before they catch up - - they are already way ahead in the anti-America category. They are dancing around the edges of being anti-Israeli. Of course, I pray every day that the dinosaur media here will soon die off. I would love to see everybody associated with the Democrat newsrooms lose their jobs, lose their homes, and lose their families.

12 posted on 01/13/2009 1:55:14 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: marthemaria

13 posted on 01/13/2009 1:59:40 AM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: marthemaria

“Three Days in Israel” (Graphic - Not for Children):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFoLYXzkEyU

“Children of Hamas”: (Where is the outcry from UNICEF or the UN?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

“15 Seconds” (ready or not)”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDxhXaxcbK4

“Kassam Alert - Kindergarten”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFss6p5sTPE

“Hamas Kids 2009”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeZzSgKUde8

“Hamas Terrorists Kill Innocent Palestinian in Gaza” (Rare Video) (Must See) – Commentator is an Arab Christian-—
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M4eH9Kk7I

Hamas Booby Trapped School and Zoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU

“The Big Lie and the True Story of Palestine”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfiev_lk5_A

“Pallywood:”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys

Hannity & Colmes - Protestor Tells Jews to “Go Back to the Oven” (1/7/09)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMvrdZ0oeAM


14 posted on 01/13/2009 2:00:34 AM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Post #13...very clever and an accurate portrayal of how the NYT would have reported those events. I wonder when they started going left? In the early 70s?

My dad told me that in the 60s, magazines like Time and Newsweek were pretty objective.

15 posted on 01/13/2009 2:10:56 AM PST by Allegra
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To: marthemaria

16 posted on 01/13/2009 2:31:33 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for Necro-Americans.)
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To: Allegra
My dad told me that in the 60s, magazines like Time and Newsweek were pretty objective.

Boomers (Eye our won, two) have wrecked Western Civilization's institutions, great and minor. The press, the academy, the church, the family, the courts, the arts. The military (in the U.S.) seems to be one of the few that have somewhat withstood the assault, but even it is in the crosshairs today.

Pick up a copy of Readers' Digest from the fifties at a yard sale. It wasn't Pollyannaish, it was more sophisticated than the popular press today, by far, more witty, insightful, interesting, provocative. It is painful to compare Scientific American in 1960 to 2009. The New York Times tended towards Nelson Rockefeller liberalism, but it was pretty balanced, and intelligently written. Today it often reads like a parody of a high school newspaper. Think Maureen Dowd.

17 posted on 01/13/2009 2:43:08 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for Necro-Americans.)
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To: Allegra
LINK

“I don’t know if we will be printing in five years, and you know what, I don’t care,” said Pinchy Suzberger, New York Times publisher.

You know what Pinchy? Most of us don’t care either!

18 posted on 01/13/2009 2:56:30 AM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Oh, I know how the New York Times reads today. I've read many of their fiction pieces, covering a variety of topics.

We don't have garage sales where I live, but one of these days, maybe I'll find an old copy of Reader's Digest. I remember my grandmother having many of their condensed story collections when she was alive that I would peruse when I visited as a kid.

Dad (retired 28-year Navy vet) told me that when he was at the Pentagon in the early 70s, there was a paper put out entitled "How to Read the Washington Post." It gave instructions on how to glean the morsel of truth through all of the liberal editorializing. That was about the time I started reading the newspaper, so I don't remember a time it didn't have a strong left slant.

19 posted on 01/13/2009 3:00:44 AM PST by Allegra
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To: Allegra

‘MadsGilbert’, the new Jew Hater is same as the old anti Semite...both are from the Progressives aka Communist!
Like Jonah Goldberg writes, Liberal Fascism, it is the neo-communism aka Nazism.


20 posted on 01/13/2009 3:08:50 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; maryz
Islam is the largest religion (2% of the population) after the Norwegian lutheran(86%), surpassing catholics etc.

Most of the members of the Norwegian Lutheran pay lip service to the leaders (who, like the "bishop" seem to be rabidly anti-Israel). What a morass Norway, Sweden and Denmark find themselves in?
21 posted on 01/13/2009 3:43:59 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: Fred Nerks

Excellent links. Thanks for posting them.


22 posted on 01/13/2009 4:33:32 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: marthemaria
Worse than the Warsaw Ghetto? Are thousands of “Palestinians” dying each month of starvation? Are thousands a day being sent to Treblinka's gas chambers? Give me a bleepin’ break!
23 posted on 01/13/2009 4:46:28 AM PST by HenpeckedCon (1/20/13 - Obama's Last Day!)
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To: Rummyfan

Yep - a country that allows folks to riot and scream “Kill the Jews!”, yet if one of them said that they hated fags, it would be squashed as hate speech. Kind of reminds us of the USA these days.


24 posted on 01/13/2009 5:26:10 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
You are correct about the changes in media.

However, I am not so quick to blame the Boomers. I am not a Boomer. Born in 1943, I am a War Baby, although we all have younger Boomer siblings.

I did my time on the Left. The organizers I had contact with were people who are now in their 80s or are dead. Many Boomers were successfully inculcated over decades and then, were available to support the academic/media inculcation of their own children. There are members of the War Baby and Boomer cohorts who were not successfully inculcated. There are fewer resistors in the Gen X cohort, which IMO, is a result of their inculcation being from their parents as well as from the schools/media.

It is an ongoing, complex undertaking to unravel the processes that have brought our world and society to this present point. In the case of Israel, I think many Boomer Jews believe that if there wasn't an Israeli state, then they would never have to personally confront anti-Semitism. So they join with the hard Left in condemning Israel. Of course, if Israel is destroyed, all Jews, everywhere, regardless of degree of faith practice, are vulnerable. Once the Jews are gone, the Christians will be the next target. After that, the factions of Islam and the factions of the present Left will fight each other. Then, there will be nothing left to fight over.

My husband is Norwegian. His father and uncles were partisans who did all they could to aid the Brits against the Nazis. Before they became enablers of the Islamic Nazis, the Norwegians became socialists, convinced they had found the right way of living. We traveled a lot during the 1980s/1990s and met many young Norwegians who seemed quite arrogant and entitled. I have met some as adults in the past 10-12 years, mostly visitors to the USA. They, too, seemed convinced they were among the most righteous of societies and that we should all follow their example. At some point, they will probably see their mistakes, but I am unsure of they will correctly discern the reasons that their society is failing. They may blame the West and the Jews instead of group think and socialism.

25 posted on 01/13/2009 10:48:36 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal
What most people get wrong is that its only the media that is pro Palestinian and the leftist. I personal dont know anybody that sides with the Palestinians. Most people are disgusted after the riots in Oslo.
26 posted on 01/13/2009 2:51:35 PM PST by tomjohn77
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To: tomjohn77
People are fed of the news reports and the support of Palestine. We are disgusted with the way the news portraits the Jews in this conflict. In fact the news have been very moderate lately.
27 posted on 01/13/2009 2:55:42 PM PST by tomjohn77
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To: tomjohn77

A few years ago, the pastor of my best friends’ church had several Norwegians as guests. I spent time with them at several social events, including a couple of dinners. I would say that about half of them (3 out of 7), were uncomfortable discussing issues concerning Muslims. All of them voiced dismay at the number of consumer choices available in America. One was romantically involved with the pastor and refused to move here. Instead, he has since moved to Norway, where they were married. My take, erroneous though it may be, was that socialism and political correctness were both something all of them embraced wholeheartedly. These people were all in their mid-40s to early 50s, at the time. I could understand if people were changing their minds about the Muslims, given the recent events. I certainly hope so.

I take it you are Norwegian? My husband’s family are from Bergen. He has always wanted to visit. He has inherited the sailing gene.


28 posted on 01/13/2009 3:11:37 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: marthemaria

I sent the link to my 2 brothers in Norway. I’m hoping that they can tell me what some of the comments say.


29 posted on 01/13/2009 3:25:02 PM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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