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Official: Guantanamo Detainee Was Tortured
Fox News ^ | Wednesday, January 14, 2009

Posted on 01/14/2009 1:18:12 AM PST by gondramB

A Bush administration official responsible for reviewing practices at Guantanamo Bay says the U.S. military tortured a Saudi national who allegedly planned to participate in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the Washington Post reported.

"We tortured [Mohammed al-]Qahtani," Susan J. Crawford told the Post. "His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that's why I did not refer the case" for prosecution.

Crawford is the first senior Bush administration official who investigates Guantanamo dealings to publicly say a detainee was tortured.

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To: gondramB
Perhaps we could have torture warrants and the government should have to make its case to torture.

No! Under no circumstance can you ever allow the government such a power, else they will morph it into an instrument of policy against its perceived 'enemies'.

Under your "ticking time bomb" scenario, the moral justification would and has sufficed for individuals to violate the legal restriction, and rely on the compassion and honesty of competent authority to legally clear the action, based on its valid and detailed result. And if the result does save lives, but you are still hung out to dry, then you are secure in your own mind that you did the right thing for a society that you are not morally a part of.

61 posted on 01/14/2009 4:30:37 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: gondramB
We should use the same ferocity and tactics used by our enemies. Flame away... I no longer care what others think... I want us to win this war without question... and if that takes torture... so be it. You waste time in even responding to me.

LLS

62 posted on 01/14/2009 4:32:16 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: gondramB

O.K., so what?


63 posted on 01/14/2009 4:34:11 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: gondramB; hellinahandcart

From what I have read on this thread, I don’t agree that what Al-Qahtani experienced fits into the definition of torture.

This is PC posturing.


64 posted on 01/14/2009 4:35:57 AM PST by sauropod (An expression of deep worry and concern failed to cross either of Zaphod's faces - hitchhiker's guid)
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To: Jim Noble
How do I even answer that question? What I believe has very little bearing on the reality of the situation.

Let me answer your question with one of my own.

Describe to me the scenario where the president defies a Supreme Court ruling, which in today's tradition means an interpretation of the US Constitution (however wrong that interpretation might be), whereas the entire government has tacitly agreed that the Supreme Court has authority to do, and the political outcome to that president, where the other party controls the Congress and is hostile to his war power implementation?

You see, the situation is untenable for the president to get his own way here.

Now, in answer to your question, I think the Supreme Court is wrong. However, I am not in a position of power to oppose them, and I don't see how Pres Bush could get away with defying them on their ruling without impeachment.

Therefore, my original conclusion is correct; the real culprit is the US Supreme Court.

65 posted on 01/14/2009 4:37:01 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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...... sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold.

That 'ain't' torture. Just about every day of my first year at the Military Academy was worse than that. Not to mention Ranger School, and S.E.R.E. School and various other training.

66 posted on 01/14/2009 4:37:39 AM PST by LegendHasIt (Freepmail me if you want to join the Precious Metals ping list.)
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To: PalmettoMason

No... what has happened is that Free Republic is infected with liberalism... this thread is a perfect example. In Mississippi... the anger is still boiling and we will NEVER forget 9/11!

LLS


67 posted on 01/14/2009 4:38:45 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I don't see how Pres Bush could get away with defying them on their ruling without impeachment. Therefore, my original conclusion is correct; the real culprit is the US Supreme Court.

No, sir, not at all.

The real culprit, in your scenario, is the People of the United States, acting through their Representatives in Congress assembled, to impeach the President.

68 posted on 01/14/2009 4:39:57 AM PST by Jim Noble (Long May Our Land Be Bright With Freedom's Holy Light)
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To: LegendHasIt

Oh, By the way..... I’d be glad to pay extra for some sustained isolation.

Nothing better than getting away from EVERYONE for a month or so at a time......

Although I’ll admit that after a month or so, it is nice to grab a pizza and spend an hour or so with pleasant company.


69 posted on 01/14/2009 4:43:04 AM PST by LegendHasIt (Freepmail me if you want to join the Precious Metals ping list.)
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To: Lancey Howard
... included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold.

Sounds like my sojourn at Boot Camp in Great Lakes!       ;^)

70 posted on 01/14/2009 4:55:35 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Please....naked, tired and cold vs. electrocution, burning, hanging, drilling, etc.

In our society, after the information is gathered, clothes, food, warmth and medical attention. Muslims, all of the above and them some, and even after you talk you will either die of your injuries or get your head whacked off. But you will never live to tell about it.


71 posted on 01/14/2009 4:56:12 AM PST by panthermom
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To: panthermom

So you want to say that by not torturing as bad as the enemy it is somehow better?

Please madam, that is like saying a prostitute who gets paid $50 is somehow different than one that makes $500.

Either way it remains prostitution.


72 posted on 01/14/2009 5:07:21 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Bomb Liechtenstein!)
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To: gondramB
But we don’t give somebody the death penalty in secret and without carefully justifying it. I’m arguing the standard for torture should be rigorous and also subject to justification of an imminent saving of life.

And why do you jump to the conclusion that this criteria was not met? Do you blame America first in all situations or just selective areas?

73 posted on 01/14/2009 5:13:11 AM PST by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Yeah, but there would definitely a difference in quality.

Besides that, he has a choice, he can give it up or except the consequences.

Personally, I could really care less.


74 posted on 01/14/2009 5:15:02 AM PST by panthermom
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To: WackySam

“I would have taken it a step further- torturing his family in front of him.”

Then you would be no better than the enemy.


75 posted on 01/14/2009 5:19:44 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: KDD

Excellent!


76 posted on 01/14/2009 5:23:04 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: pas

“Interrogation techniques used on Qahtani included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold. He was hospitalized twice.”

That’s it?
He was made uncomfortable and even caught a cold twice? My heart frigging bleeds for poor Mr. Wanna-be Hijacker. Except for being naked and alone, I put up with worse in boot camp.

Too many Americans have far too many comforts and conveniences these days that they just take for granted.


77 posted on 01/14/2009 5:24:52 AM PST by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

If it takes torture to prevent another 9/11 or a brelin or Mumbai like attack here in the states then do it.

This dumb ass liberal lawyer is complaining about his torture, hell I went through worse during basic training in 1965.


78 posted on 01/14/2009 5:25:19 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: LibLieSlayer

The end justifies the means. Interesting, that’s the same “reasoning” that Obama uses......straight out of Alinsky’s book.


79 posted on 01/14/2009 5:26:39 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Mr Ramsbotham; gondramB

The ‘torture’ argument is torture. This post is an example of the inability to have any realitic discussion of the issue. Instead we have a bunch of weakwilled Western idiots, that think the we must be cuddley with Islam. These soap box moralist like in this post are immoral as they never seem to think about the innocents that have been tortured and murdered world wide by these poor Muslim prisoners. I say put it to a vote, the choice being, release to USA or small caliber applied to the back of the head.


80 posted on 01/14/2009 5:28:22 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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