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On Abortion and Gay Rights, Evangelicals and Liberals Join to Advise Obama
US News and World Report ^ | 1/15/2009 | Dan Gilgoff

Posted on 01/15/2009 2:38:09 PM PST by markomalley

A coalition of prominent evangelical leaders who've partnered with Third Way, a Washington think tank influential in shaping Democratic Party policy and messaging, is presenting policy recommendations to Barack Obama's transition team today that purport to offer a consensus approach to hot-button issues that have long divided evangelicals and liberals. More News

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The recommendations include a framework for reducing demand for abortion without further restricting abortion rights, through initiatives like grants for sex education that emphasizes abstinence but includes contraception, an expanded adoption tax credit, and a call for a federal prohibition on workplace discrimination against gays and lesbians, with an exemption for religious organizations.

"This is the first time that evangelicals have taken a gay equality position," says Rachel Laser, director of the culture Ppogram at Third Way.

The memo's drafters, including the Rev. Joel Hunter, a prominent Florida megachurch pastor, and the Rev. Sam Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, released the document—"Come Let Us Reason Together: A Governing Agenda to End the Culture Wars"—this morning, ahead of a meeting with religious outreach and policy aides on the Obama transition team.

"This is historic," says Rodriguez, who leads the largest evangelical Latino group in the United States and was a prominent supporter of Proposition 8, California's recently adopted gay-marriage ban. "Some of these people I'm in complete opposition to on the vast majority of public-policy ideas."

Besides its recommendations on abortion and gay rights, the memo presses Obama to officially ban U.S.-sponsored torture and to enact comprehensive immigration reform, with a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

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My guess is that those evangelicals are about as genuine "evangelical" as Catholics for Free Choice are "Catholic."

Just another development as the Messiah is about to mount His Throne (/s)

1 posted on 01/15/2009 2:38:10 PM PST by markomalley
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To: wagglebee; NYer; narses

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2 posted on 01/15/2009 2:38:53 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley
federal prohibition on workplace discrimination against gays and lesbians, with an exemption for religious organizations.

Just great, now I can open "Catholic Auto Repair" and not worry about having to bend over the fender to work on the engine.

3 posted on 01/15/2009 2:47:53 PM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: markomalley

Why on earth does this thrust towards “coming together” out rank principle and the value of life itself?

I know the spiritual answer, but how do Christian clergymen reconcile this in their minds? How can they sleep at night? How can they look at themselves in the mirror?


4 posted on 01/15/2009 2:51:37 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Peace in the womb. www.abortionNO.org - WARNING, VERY GRAPHIC)
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5 posted on 01/15/2009 2:53:45 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: markomalley

This calls to mind Joseph Bernardin. (God have Mercy on his soul.) He did so much to wreck the Catholic Church in the United States, with his “common ground” garbage. He saw the Church Militant as the “church kumbaya.”


6 posted on 01/15/2009 2:58:36 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Peace in the womb. www.abortionNO.org - WARNING, VERY GRAPHIC)
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I don’t think they try to reconcile this in their minds.

Joel Hunter is again at the top of this list being used by the Marxists. In addition to his church supporting global warming (the religion of Communism), he’s again willing to give on life issues surrounding abortion and homosexuality.

I think what we have here is a group of men trying to be famous.


7 posted on 01/15/2009 3:04:18 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (Buying carbon credits will not get me into Heaven. I am second - http://iamsecond.com/#/home/)
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To: markomalley

There is no halfway.

Without God there is no law.


8 posted on 01/15/2009 3:34:33 PM PST by AliVeritas (Prayers for Israel.)
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Do me a favor. My friend called me in shock re: this newsletter; Tell me if it makes sense to you. (Warning: Long)

http://www.nbccongress.org/newsletter/default.asp

Oh yes... I did call. You don’t wanna know. Waiting for the march in D.C..


9 posted on 01/15/2009 3:38:13 PM PST by AliVeritas (Prayers for Israel.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Easy. They’re not Christian. They’re lost.


10 posted on 01/15/2009 4:45:00 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("But there were some who resisted...")
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To: markomalley
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11 posted on 01/15/2009 4:52:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: AliVeritas
Do me a favor. My friend called me in shock re: this newsletter; Tell me if it makes sense to you. (Warning: Long)

Frankly, I don't see why this would be shocking at all. Sounds like classic Fr. Raphael.

His point:

Now, yes, he went in a long, drawn out and circuitous path to get there, but the above is basically the summary.

So why was your friend shocked?

12 posted on 01/15/2009 4:54:54 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
I had the not so good pleasure of having to live up in MA for some time. Now the New England area one would think would be conservative as it is mostly Catholic as is my mother in law. Here is the strange thing though, it is liberal. Now my mother in law is the typical Catholic New Englander. She goes to church every Sunday and harps on about God here and there. She then goes and becomes a Democrat again after church. Doesn't make sense so I asked her why she votes for the Dems and yet she is supposed to be a Catholic As expected I had rattled her cage and she replies that she always has been and she likes JFK I told her that you are supposed to be against homo's abortion, contraceptives etc and yet you vote for everything your faith stands for. no answer but anyway I asked a lot of people the same question when I lived up there and not once did I ever get a straight answer, They're like robots who walk to the voting booth totally dumb and ignorant. Why those priests up there do not mention this to their flock is beyond me. Why can't they give their sermons and state that the family is a man and a woman, marriage is between a man and a woman, children do better with a mother and a father. Stand up and be counted against contraceptives and abortion. It is pathetic that the north east should be the most republican area of the country and yet it is not because of either the priests have no clue, are scared to get in trouble or the people are just dumb and ignorant. and why do the priests give service , not sure what it is called to the likes of the Kennedys etc, surely the Pope would send a fax or whatever to his priests telling them to spread the word of the faith
13 posted on 01/15/2009 5:42:02 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

someone I forget who told me once that some of the religious are like religious socialists.

Think it’s a good phrase myself.
I’ve met many people who say they are religious and yet think that they can help everyone by giving them things like money.

time for conservatives and the right to stop trying to appease the liberals and the left thinking the left will like them.

I remember someone on here was in the san freako homo area singing where they get assaulted. They had threats , were hit, had hot coffee thrown at them and had stuff stolen.

The officer asked them if they wanted to press charges, the answer was no I forgive them.;

Why not have pressed charges , now they the homo’s will do it again while laughing at these people singing.


14 posted on 01/15/2009 5:46:23 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: AmericanGirlRising

agreed.

The homo’s and the left went after the scouts, now it is the military by wanting to have openly homo folk in and they are coming after the church, infiltrating it.

They even have their own homo liberal church though the name eludes me.
How can they teach God and then connect that to their liberal and homo views?


15 posted on 01/15/2009 5:48:33 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: AmericanGirlRising

I think that ego does have something to do with it.


16 posted on 01/15/2009 9:19:34 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Peace in the womb. www.abortionNO.org - WARNING, VERY GRAPHIC)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

It’s especially dangerous for “Christian” leaders to compromise the faith. They risk losing their souls, and risk the loss of souls who learn by their bad example. We have to pray for them.

This so sad.


17 posted on 01/15/2009 9:26:56 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Peace in the womb. www.abortionNO.org - WARNING, VERY GRAPHIC)
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To: markomalley

Thank goodness the Catholics aren’t going.


18 posted on 01/15/2009 9:36:17 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: manc
I agree with you that with many Catholics there is a huge disconnect between religion and the rest of life, including politics. They simply do not know what the Church teaches, and that religion is a way of life. IMO, many Catholic democrats do not understand that theirs is no longer the party of JFK. With some, it seems that being Catholic is inseparable from being Democrat.

I'm saying this as a Catholic.

19 posted on 01/15/2009 9:48:29 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Peace in the womb. www.abortionNO.org - WARNING, VERY GRAPHIC)
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To: manc

I’m all for social justice, but not attempted through socialism. Some religious people wrongly try to achieve worthy goals through socialism, but the ends do not justify the means.

I agree that you can’t reason with these people.


20 posted on 01/15/2009 9:53:55 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Peace in the womb. www.abortionNO.org - WARNING, VERY GRAPHIC)
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