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SWAT team searches gun-rights supporters
OCRegister ^ | 14 January, 2009 | Steven Greenhut

Posted on 01/16/2009 6:13:16 AM PST by marktwain

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To: Lurker
Well it was hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Now it's prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
61 posted on 01/16/2009 1:29:56 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Dead Corpse
You might be able to add section 245 to that too:

"18 U.S.C. § 245. The portion of Section 245 of Title 18 which is primarily enforced by the Criminal Section makes it unlawful to willfully injure, intimidate or interfere with any person, or to attempt to do so, by force or threat of force, because of that other person's race, color, religion or national origin and because of his/her activity as one of the following:

A student at or applicant for admission to a public school or public college;

A participant in a benefit, service, privilege, program, facility or activity provided or administered by a state or local government;

An applicant for private or state employment; a private or state employee; a member or applicant for membership in a labor organization or hiring hall; or an applicant for employment through an employment agency, labor organization or hiring hall;

A juror or prospective juror in state court;

A traveler or user of a facility of interstate commerce or common carrier;

A patron of a public accommodation or place of exhibition or entertainment, including hotels, motels, restaurants, lunchrooms, bars, gas stations, theaters, concert halls, sports arenas or stadiums.

This statute also prohibits wilful interference, by force or threat of force, with a person because he/she is or was participating in, or aiding or encouraging other persons to participate in any of the benefits or activities listed above without discrimination as to race, color, religion, or national origin."

62 posted on 01/16/2009 1:33:43 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.)
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To: marktwain

BFL. Funny that the JBTs seem to be ignoring this thread.


63 posted on 01/16/2009 2:01:08 PM PST by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: manc; JimRed; sheik yerbouty
"I await their knock at the door . . . "

Seriously, I don't think there will be many door-to-door sweeps. After the first one, word will travel so fast throughout the land that the JBT will be in hiding.

I would expect something more sophisticated and long-term. Something more tolerable and low-key.

After all, the objective is to collect the guns and kill the resistors. That's going to take some skillful planning.

I suppose there will be plenty of 'Hessians' anxious and waiting to sign up. I would imagine the extra bonus of allowing the 'security force' to carry scimitars would be a plus, as they would say in the job market.

64 posted on 01/16/2009 2:45:02 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: mylife

Meant to ping ya.


65 posted on 01/16/2009 2:46:48 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: manc

His national civilian security force which he says will rival the military will be ready to go soon.

I really hope he doesn’t try that. I think that will be the breaking point for many people and I shudder to think of what might happen.


66 posted on 01/16/2009 2:59:40 PM PST by mojitojoe (Not my president.)
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To: Tahoe3002
If we think police and military units will NOT carry out the order to search and confiscate without probable cause we are seriously deluded. Individuals might not follow those orders, but, by and large the rank and file will....WACO is my example.

No they won't. The majority WILL not. They will hide them. What can they do? Arrest half of the US citizens? You think those militia groups are giving up their weapons? Dream on. They are rabid 2nd amendment fighters.

67 posted on 01/16/2009 3:02:55 PM PST by mojitojoe (Not my president.)
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To: mojitojoe

I honestly believe right now we are at war here at home but instead of north and south it is right v left and at the moment the left I feel is winning.

We have to take the gloves off and the likes of Sarah has and will but the like of McCain, Arnie, Graham etc are helping the left.


68 posted on 01/16/2009 4:00:11 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: mojitojoe
I may have not been clear. My opinion is that most law enforcement and military personnel will FOLLOW ORDERS. Some individual LEOs or military, who have a passion for firearms and freedom, will not search and confiscate without probable cause. But for many/most of those guys, it is simply a job and they will do what they are told.

I agree that many/most civilians, probably like you and I, will not comply with any ‘executive order’ or law to surrender our freedom and firearms. I took an oath to the Constitution to protect it against “enemies, foreign and domestic”. Those words mean just what they say, and so do I. USMC vet (from Private to Major)

69 posted on 01/16/2009 4:30:23 PM PST by Tahoe3002 (Politicians are positive proof that CRIME DOES PAY!)
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To: mojitojoe
I may have not been clear. My opinion is that most law enforcement and military personnel will FOLLOW ORDERS. Some individual LEOs or military, who have a passion for firearms and freedom, will not search and confiscate without probable cause. But for many/most of those guys, it is simply a job and they will do what they are told.

I agree that many/most civilians, probably like you and I, will not comply with any ‘executive order’ or law to surrender our freedom and firearms. I took an oath to the Constitution to protect it against “enemies, foreign and domestic”. Those words mean just what they say, and so do I. USMC vet (from Private to Major)

70 posted on 01/16/2009 4:31:00 PM PST by Tahoe3002 (Politicians are positive proof that CRIME DOES PAY!)
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To: manc
"agreed the left has been using the courts for years now to get their way and it’s high time we did."

And how, pray tell, are we going to get "our" way by using the courts when most of the judges and attorneys are rabid leftists?

You don't get it. If we try to play the same game we will lose ...cause we'll be playing by 'their' rules. Problem is, they keep changing the rules mid-game to further their agenda and the leftist media covers their @sses at every turn.

The only way we will ever win again against the leftists is to play a different game...one that we haven't played before.

71 posted on 01/16/2009 4:34:27 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: Tahoe3002
But for many/most of those guys, it is simply a job and they will do what they are told.

And for many/most of those who claim to be "doing as they are told", it will be another chance for them to abuse their "authority" over the people.

As it is now, some of them are shooting, tazing, and beating citizens at will. Does anyone believe this will change when they know that no citizen has the means to defend himself?

Anyone who doesn't believe that there are more than just a few bad ones out there should go back and re-read the early threads concerning the BART shooting. The gymnastics that some of our very own FReepers went through trying to justify the unjustifiable would be comical, if it wasn't so serious.

72 posted on 01/16/2009 5:09:06 PM PST by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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To: XenaLee

they go judge shopping as was the case for the homo’s down here in Fl, they got another homo judge

can’t we do the same, there must be some conservative judges left right?

How else do we beat them then?

I use their tactics against them all the time, I don’t want homo marriage and I get told I am intolerant then I point out they are to my view.

Karl Marx said that their agenda will never work by force and that they have to get people into certain positions, well they have teachers, media,judges, lawyers etc, well we have to get our children into positions too so we can counter them.


73 posted on 01/16/2009 5:44:04 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Eastbound

Obama will build a system of informers..


74 posted on 01/16/2009 6:03:43 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: wintertime
Remember Elian Gonzoles. After his “capture”, the INS swat guys went out and celebrated with a party. Remember Waco.

You forgot Ruby Ridge.

I am honestly fearful that we are breeding thousands of Timothy McVeigh's.

75 posted on 01/16/2009 7:15:31 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: PalmettoMason
........some who claim to be LEOs(supposedly Conservative FReepers) post some pretty outrageous replies in defense of some of the worst cases. It generally deteriorates into the dreaded "us vs. them" argument in which the LEOs (or those who claim to be) end up bragging about their abuse of people. Just this week, one of the usual suspects bragged about how much he enjoyed confiscating people's personal property over traffic (equipment) violations. Not that he did it because it was his job... not because it made the community safer...but because he got off on it.

Just wait until you encounter one of these creatures in person....and you will.

76 posted on 01/16/2009 7:27:51 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: marktwain

Harbor no doubt. It has begun.


77 posted on 01/16/2009 7:30:43 PM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: manc
they go judge shopping as was the case for the homo’s down here in Fl, they got another homo judge

I actually think that the "homo's" are pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things,

78 posted on 01/16/2009 7:38:04 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Tahoe3002
I took an oath to the Constitution to protect it against “enemies, foreign and domestic”.

So did I

Semper Fi Major
An Old Man

79 posted on 01/16/2009 8:29:19 PM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: elkfersupper

I remember that one!


80 posted on 01/16/2009 8:31:13 PM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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