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Christians are becoming social pariahs in Britain
The Telegraph ^ | 1/18/2008 | Jonathan Wynne-Jones

Posted on 01/17/2009 6:41:56 PM PST by bruinbirdman

The Radio 2 host said that he feels unable to talk about his faith on his show because he fears how people would react.

He argues that society has become increasingly intolerant of the freedom to express religious views.

"You can't express views that were common currency 30 or 40 years ago," he said.

"Arguably, the parameters of what you might call 'right thinking' are probably closing.

"Sadly, along with that has come the fact that it's almost socially unacceptable to say you believe in God."

His comments follow the claim from Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales, that Britain is an "unfriendly" place for religious people to live.

Mr Vine, 43, is a practising Anglican, but says he would be compromised by being more open about his faith on air.

"Just blurting it out would be destructive," he said.

"Just because something's true doesn't mean you can say it. That's quite an important principle.

"Once I put my cards on the table about my faith in discussions, it becomes problematic."

In an interview with Reform, a magazine published by the United Reformed Church, Mr Vine says that he is forced to separate his personal beliefs from his role as a presenter.

"One of the things that I think, which may sound bizarre, is that Christ is who he said he was.

"I don't think I'd put that out on my show; I suppose there's a bit of a firewall between thinking that and doing the job I do."

Last year, Mark Thompson, the director-general of the BBC and a practising Roman Catholic, suggested that Islam should be treated more sensitively by the BBC than Christianity.

However, he also said that accusations that the corporation was anti-God were "not just too sweeping; they

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christendom; deathofthewest; eurabia; europeanchristians; secularization; socialism
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1 posted on 01/17/2009 6:41:56 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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And this is NEWS??????? I lived there for 8 years since ‘93......and Christians were hated THEN! They call them ‘happy clappy’ and were CONSTANTLY ridiculed in the media and public. Churches continue to fold. I had to keep my mouth shut.


2 posted on 01/17/2009 6:45:04 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

But...Islam take over in the UK unchallenged.


3 posted on 01/17/2009 6:47:15 PM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Only Britain?


4 posted on 01/17/2009 6:47:44 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: bruinbirdman

I hear someone was just fired from the Telegraph for putting two sentences in one paragraph.


5 posted on 01/17/2009 6:49:11 PM PST by firebrand
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Comin’ here too. Under Bammy.


6 posted on 01/17/2009 6:49:29 PM PST by bergmeid (I refuse to be united. Obama can stuff it.)
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To: Dallas59

Yup. I can remember that Christmas decorations were challenged in downtown, Birmingham (UK)........but the ‘Festival of Lights’ was ‘hunky dory’.

I said to my husband that I knew what it was like to live in a ‘Godless society’. Even HE agreed.

Coming to a United States near you, folks.


7 posted on 01/17/2009 6:50:47 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: bruinbirdman

bttt


8 posted on 01/17/2009 6:52:41 PM PST by Mogwai (John McCain is Scott Farkus to Lindsey Graham's Grover Dill)
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To: Dallas59

Atheism is the way station on the journey to Islam. First, get people to become agnostic or athiest. Then, when they believe in nothing, convert them to Islam. Watch increasing numbers of dissatisfied young adults convert to Islam. Why? Because if they become Christians they will be ridiculed—if they become Islamic, no one will mess with ‘em.

It all part of the plan.


9 posted on 01/17/2009 6:54:18 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: bruinbirdman

INTREP


10 posted on 01/17/2009 6:57:43 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper

I was thinking this morning that the only hope for freedom in the world for the foreseeable future could be the splitting of the USA into those who would strictly follow the Constitution and honor our traditions and culture,

and those who would embrace socialism and allow an Islamic takeover.

If we don’t split off a healthy part of the body soon, we’re all going to be infected with this disease.


11 posted on 01/17/2009 7:03:28 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Dallas59

Yup, the Brits will be talking a lot about God - er - Allah in the not too distant future.

Heh!


12 posted on 01/17/2009 7:05:28 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: bruinbirdman

there’s no problem for moslems expressing their faith of terror.


13 posted on 01/17/2009 7:08:44 PM PST by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: bruinbirdman

It’s getting that way here, and also (with some posters) it’s a problem with them, too (if someone is a Christian and states actions and values are *based* on that, and the Bible). Some FReepers will say to keep “religion out of politics” and that it’s the Christians who are causing the problems for the Republicans...


14 posted on 01/17/2009 7:15:13 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: rbg81

The Muslims do not do secularism. The UK is becoming more and more dhimini but at least their leaders are not Muslims yet like another country I know.


15 posted on 01/17/2009 7:16:11 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: bergmeid

You said — “Comin’ here too. Under Bammy.”

It’s already that way with some FReepers, with Christians posting their ideas, values and attitudes as coming from the Bible and Jesus Christ as their Savior. It’s already here on Free Republic...


16 posted on 01/17/2009 7:16:23 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: bruinbirdman
"Just because something's true doesn't mean you can say it. That's quite an important principle.

Because it is true you must say it. Thats a most important principle.

If you can't say what you say you know as truth, you really are a gutless sort, aren't you? In any case, I've found that if you'll just say it, boldly, without apology, it flummoxes a certain class of people and I find it rather enjoyable to flummox them.

17 posted on 01/17/2009 7:17:21 PM PST by marron
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To: bruinbirdman
He argues that society has become increasingly intolerant of the freedom to express religious views.

Certain religious views, that is, right?

It's not like we haven't seen this happen before.

You know, if we let it happen here, we only have ourselves to blame.

18 posted on 01/17/2009 7:17:48 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: marron
If you can't say what you say you know as truth, you really are a gutless sort, aren't you? In any case, I've found that if you'll just say it, boldly, without apology, it flummoxes a certain class of people and I find it rather enjoyable to flummox them.

Indeed. Flummox on, then!

19 posted on 01/17/2009 7:18:58 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

You said — “You know, if we let it happen here, we only have ourselves to blame.”

Ummm..., try expressing the Christian Biblical account of creation in 6 days (of an evening followed by a morning) and see how many evolutionists come out against you on Free Republic... LOL...


20 posted on 01/17/2009 7:20:36 PM PST by Star Traveler
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