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Lou Dobbs TScript: Ramos/Compean 2 more months in prison. Bush/Mexican Gov’t Corruption Exposed
CNN Lou Dobbs Tonight ^ | January 21, 2009 | Transcript Staff

Posted on 01/21/2009 9:29:25 PM PST by flattorney

“Lou Dobbs Tonight: Transcript”
Justice Delayed: (Because of Bush) Ramos & Compean could be in prison for 2 more months
Outrageous President Bush, Administration, and Mexican government collusion and corruption against our border patrol agents
January 21, 2009
# This was Lou Dobbs first broadcast this week.

SEGMENT INTRO: Former Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean, their sentences commuted, but they may be in prison for another two months. There is rising anger at the continued imprisonment of former Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean two days after President Bush commuted their sentences. And there is outrage at the Mexican government's campaign to keep Ramos and Compean in prison. Why is the Mexican government working so hard to keep these men in prison? And why is this government and the former president going along with them? We'll be talking with the agents' wives and their attorneys.

START OF SEGMENT: President Bush this week commuting the prison sentences of former Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. We on this broadcast have been reporting on this gross miscarriage of justice against these agents and their families for years. In this outrageous miscarriage of justice, Ramos and Compean were convicted of shooting a Mexican illegal alien drug smuggler who prosecutors both claimed was unarmed and to whom they gave immunity for his testimony against those agents. The Justice Department, in giving the illegal alien drug smuggler immunity also sought to seal and succeeded in sealing evidence that many consider exculpatory against those agents. And as Casey Wian now reports after spending nearly two years behind bars these agents have to wait two more months to win their release.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; borderpatrol; bordersecurity; bush; bush43; compean; congress; corruptbushadmin; corruptcops; corruptgeorgebush; corruptjohnnysutton; donutwatch; drugcartels; drugs; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; loudobbs; mandatoryminimums; mexicangovernment; mexico; nomexicofirst; obamapardon; openborders; ramos; ramoscompean; showtrial; smuggling; warondrugs; wod; wot
Once again Lou Dobbs delivers the dirt on this highly corrupt President Bush and Administration scandal. Video link to be posted.

01.21.09: Lou Dobbs Poll - Vote: Do you think there should be a full investigation of George W. Bush for putting the interests of Mexico before those of two agents defending our border? # # FR post-time poll results: 93% VOTED YES

01.19.09: “Immigrant advocates warned that leniency would encourage aggressive tactics by U.S. border authorities. Mexican officials were dismayed by President Bush’s sentence commutation arguing that U.S. border agents must obey the law regardless of how suspects behave. "This sends a very bad and difficult to understand message," Carlos Rico, the assistant foreign minister for North American affairs, told reporters in Mexico City.”
- - FlAttorney Says: While there were issues with Ramos and Compean’s conduct, these two border agents should have been given a pay raise and accommodation for shooting the fleeing career drug smuggler (currently serving 9 years in prison) who ignored their orders to stop so he could be questioned and subsequently arrested for trying to smuggle over 700 pounds of marijuana into Texas. If drug smugglers and illegals don’t fear our border patrol agents we will never get our extremely serious Mexican border problems under control. The problem is so serious and out of control the U.S. government should have/should legally declare the entire Mexican border as an official war zone. But no, the H.W. Bush Cartel and “W” were too busy all these years kissing Mexican government officials butts, while they tied our courageous border patrol agents hands. This is one of the reasons “W” will be remembered as the worst GOP President in my lifetime – some GOP political experts say in U.S. history.
      I/we like this GOP statement - "Today marks the end of an injustice," said U.S. Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Dallas. "Especially as drug trafficking and violence continue to assault our border, our Border Patrol agents should know that their government will support and defend them as they risk their lives for the security of our nation." -- I am glad Pete is the new NRCC Chairman. He has an excellent conservative track record and is an asset in the “New GOP”. – FlA

01.20.09 FR: Glen Beck Transcript and Video: Interview with wives of Ramos and Compean - Video Direct Link
01.20.09 CNN Video: Former Border Patrol agents win release after 2 years in prison for wounding Mexican drug smuggler. Casey Wian of Lou Dobbs Tonight reports.
01.20.09 FR: Border Patrol Agents' Sentences commuted but Ted Poe(R,TX-2) vows to fight on
01.19.08 Fox News Video: Bush Commutes Ramos & Compean Prison Sentences
01.19.09 FR: Bush Commutes Sentences of Two Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Drug Dealer

MAR

1 posted on 01/21/2009 9:29:26 PM PST by flattorney
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CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Former Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean may have to wait another two months to be reunited with their families. After two years behind bars, mostly in solitary confinement, their clemency does not become effective until March 20th.

MONICA RAMOS, WIFE OF IGNACIO RAMOS: I think 60 days right now, we'll get through them. It's going to be very tough and to him, who's still sitting in segregation, he said 60 days is going to feel like a lifetime.

WIAN: Before dealing with this case, President Bush had commuted just nine prison sentences during his eight years in office. Former White House official "Scooter" Libby received a commutation before serving any time, others took as long as four months to be released. A spokeswoman for the Bureau of Prisons tells LOU DOBBS TONIGHT it's possible the men could be out sooner than 60 days. They could be eligible for good behavior credit and could be sent to a halfway house. Those decisions are up to the prison where the former agents are incarcerated. Their attorneys are pursuing both those options. Still unclear why Mr. Bush waited so long to grant clemency to the agents, despite repeated demands for their release by more than 150 lawmakers and nearly half a million Americans. Last week, Congressman Walter Jones tried a different approach, appealing to the president's faith.

REP. WALTER JONES (R), NORTH CAROLINA: I said, Mr. President, you profess to be a man of faith. Please get down on your knees and ask God if you should commute or pardon these two men and listen to God and I believe he will tell you yes. I don't know if that had anything to do with it, but I think God did quite frankly.

WIAN: Attorneys are continuing to pursue a Supreme Court reversal of their convictions or a full presidential pardon for Ramos and Compean.

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WIAN: And not everyone is applauding their impending release. At a news conference this week, Mexico's Deputy Secretary of Foreign Relations Carlos Rico (ph) said, quote, "this is a message of impunity, it's difficult to understand." He also acknowledged that Mexican officials had lobbied hard to prevent the former Border Patrol agent's release. Lou.

DOBBS: A message of impunity, what in the world could he have meant by that?

WIAN: I guess he's trying to get across the idea that if these agents were released from prison, it's going to give a license to other Border Patrol agents to shoot unarmed Mexican illegal aliens anytime they want to, which of course is a ridiculous notion. It's amazing that the Mexican government would criticize the Bush administration for finally releasing these two men who have served two years in prison. I think you'll remember the case of Border Patrol agent Luis Aguilera (ph) who was killed last year. The Mexican government released his alleged murderer on bail and we don't know where he is, Lou.

DOBBS: And they did so with impunity, I believe would be the word, according to the deputy foreign minister. But further at issue here is whether or not that drug smuggler was in point of fact armed or unarmed. Secondly, no question that he was a blatant and professional drug smuggler. Third, the claims that he has been armed in previous drug runs. Fourth, the fact that the evidence that was -- that he was in point of fact a professional drug smuggler was sealed from the jury. This is a gross miscarriage of justice. And now we hear from the Mexican government what we have suspected and what we have been reporting on this broadcast for two years now, that Mexican government direct interference with the U.S. government is the reason these two men went to prison. This is blatant. It is disgusting and for the government to act with such impunity and for their deputy foreign minister to come up with this position today is all the more galling.

WIAN: Yes, Lou, and it also reminds me -- and I'm sure you'll remember back in 2006 when the Department of Homeland Security's inspector general was Richard Skinner (ph), some of his officials went over to meet with members of Congress to address their concerns about the prosecution of these two agents. Those Department of Homeland Security officials told members of Congress in a private meeting that they had evidence that these two Border Patrol agents said that they were out to shoot some Mexicans. That later proved not to be true. And the inspector general had to apologize to those members of Congress. It now seems like it's likely we know where that notion came from, Lou.

DOBBS: Richard, to put it more directly, Richard Skinner (ph) lied through his teeth to United States congressmen. He, to go back to the word of the deputy foreign minister of Mexico, he lied with impunity and he carried out, in large measure, this gross miscarriage of justice. In fact, the Department of Homeland Security, with the behest of the Mexican government, it now appears, led the investigation against these two agents, which is highly, highly irregular, rather than the Justice Department, correct?

WIAN: Absolutely. You know, we asked Congressman Walter Jones of North Carolina, who's been involved in this case since the very beginning, trying to get these agents freed, what he thought of this admission by the Mexican foreign ministry, that they've been actively lobbying to keep these agents in jail, and he said, tell the Mexican government to keep the drug smugglers on their side of the border.

DOBBS: Casey, thank you very much. We're going to be following this story rigorously and, yes, relentlessly. Until this story is concluded with what we hope will be a very happy ending for these border patrol agents, their families and, frankly, this country. This is an extraordinary development, the statements of the deputy foreign minister of Mexico, and the fact that it appears quite clear now that the Bush administration if his statements are true, that the Bush administration was nothing more than a witting tool of the Mexican government, a deplorable development. Thank you very much, Casey. We look forward to your reporting on this until the days and weeks ahead. Thank you. We'll have much more on this important story here in just a few moments when I'm joined by Monica Ramos and Patty Compean, the wives of the former border patrol agents now in prison. We'll be talking as well with the attorneys who are fighting for their release and fighting to clear these agents' names.

We also want to know what you think about all of this. Our poll question tonight is pretty straight forward. Do you think there should be a full investigation of the administration of George W. Bush for putting the interests of Mexico ahead of those of two agents defending our border? Yes or no? We'd like to hear from you. Cast your vote at LouDobbs.com. We'll have the results here later in the broadcast.

DOBBS: Former President Bush commuted the prison sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean Monday. But both former border patrol agents remain in prison tonight. Joining me now, the wives and the attorneys of these two men. In Phoenix, Monica Ramos joins us. Monica, great to have you with us. In El Paso, Patty Compean. Patty, thank you for being with. In Austin, David Botsford, he's appellate attorney for Ignacio Ramos. And in Dallas, Edgar Mason and Bob Baskett, they're the appellate attorneys for Jose Compean. Gentlemen, thank you for being here. Let me turn first to Monica and Patty. Monica, you met with your husband today. How is he?

RAMOS: You know what, he's been in the best spirits I've ever seen him. I mean, you can only imagine, each visit that I've come to see him, it's been about, you know, OK, we have this many weeks left of your incarceration. And it was unbelievable, his spirits, he's just so excited. And today became about the countdown now when he comes home.

DOBBS: Monica, if I may say, I think I see a sparkle in your eyes that I haven't seen for a couple of years now, and it is wonderful to see. Patty, first of all, congratulations. I know that this is only one more step in ending what has been a horrible trial for you, your family. And how does your husband feel right now, knowing still he apparently will have to wait weeks before he's finally released?

PATTY COMPEAN, WIFE OF JOSE COMPEAN: That doesn't matter to him. I think right now what he's holding onto actually -- no, I know what he's holding on to the fact that he will be home and we actually have a date now, where before we didn't have anything. So he's very happy and very excited.

DOBBS: We're very excited for him, for Ignacio Ramos, and for your families. Let me turn to Mr. Botsford. Why aren't your clients being released now, as best you can figure, and what are the prospects that you can accelerate this process?

DAVID BOTSFORD, APPELATE ATTORNEY OF IGNACIO RAMOS: Well, in the first instance, President Bush said that the commutation was effective 60 days out. He could have done it immediately as he did for Scooter Libby. He could have done it for as long as 180 days as he did for one of the other commutee grantees. But he said 60 days for whatever reason. I have no earthly idea. Now the Bureau of Prisons can release both of these gentlemen to a halfway house or do essentially whatever they want to because when they walk out of the prison, whatever day that is, they're under three years of supervised release, kind of a probation after their jail time. So they'll be monitored and have to report to probation officer. That could begin as soon as the warrants of clemency are received by Ignacio and Jose, signed and the receipt sent back to the pardon attorney in Washington.

DOBBS: Ed Mason, Bob Baskett, I want to read, if I may, U.S. attorney Johnny Sutton, his statement following the announcement of the commutation. And if you could, let's put this up on the screen for everyone. "Like the trial judge and the court that reviewed the cases on appeal, President Bush found that Compean and Ramos were justly convicted of serious crimes and their status as convicted felons should remain in place." He did indicate that he agreed the sentences should be reduced. Are you -- are you first surprised, are you satisfied, that at least that concession was forthcoming from -- from the former U.S. attorney of the western district of Texas?

BOB BASKETT, JOSE COMPEAN'S APPELLATE ATTORNEY: I'm not, because he had indicated that he felt that way before, and though I wasn't privy to his conversations with the president, and I'm sure the pardon attorney asked for his input, it doesn't surprise me that he's willing to say that the sentences were excessive.

DOBBS: Can you all get -- can you get this thing accelerated? Because American people are sitting here right now, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people have made their views known on this case. We have seen more ridiculous and absurd statements made about this case. The magnitude of this miscarriage of justice has grown over the years, rather than diminished. What are the odds that we can see this thing -- the Bureau of Prisons respond humanely, intelligently and justly and get these people out of jail?

BASKETT: Well, I sent them a request today for information about how they were going to treat this. I think they probably would have had more than 100 days of good time credit built up already after two years of incarceration. I don't know of any reason why they cannot be released as soon as the paperwork is finished and the processing is done and sent to a halfway house or perhaps even outright released.

DOBBS: Let me ask you, Bob Baskett, David Botsford, let me just say this. What are the odds that you can get a pardon? Is there legal relief here for these two men so they can move on with their lives without this hanging over them?

BOTSFORD: Lou, there are two different avenues. Number one is a potential pardon from President Obama, which I believe Mr. Baskett and I and Mr. Mason, intend to pursue as soon as possible. The other option is of course the Supreme Court. And if that's not successful, going back into the United States District Court in El Paso to raise the issues of the perjury by this divola, this drug smuggler, who painted a false picture for the jury that convicted.

DOBBS: Let's be clear too, the federal court judge sealed the very evidence that could have been exculpatory here, and of significant interest to the jury at the very least, and could have been determinant in their decision. But also, what about -- and let me ask you this, Bob Baskett. The issue of the Mexican government acknowledging direct interference in this case with the prosecutors, with the United States government, with the Bush administration. My god, how -- I mean this is outrageous on every level.

BASKETT: Well, I think the point was made earlier that they'll release people that kill our border patrol agents and demand justice with impunity for somebody like agents Ramos and Compean.

EDGAR MASON, JOSE COMPEAN'S APPELLATE ATTORNEY: Lou, can I make one point?

DOBBS: Quickly, please.

MASON: When we were there for the resentencing the night before in Juarez, a policeman was gunned down off his motorcycle and four people were assassinated in an SUV and I think maybe the Mexican government ought to set its own house in order before they start telling us how law enforcement should operate.

DOBBS: And I would be grateful if this government would simply tend to its own matters and ignore the intrusion and intervention of other governments. I would be satisfied with even that. Thank you. Let me turn real quickly, Monica, your thoughts, how -- how's the rest of your family doing? And my best to them.

RAMOS: Thank you. They're hanging in there. It's very difficult for the kids right now. I think once dad comes home is when they're actually going to believe this. I think we just had so much hopes along this way, you know, along the way, and now he's finally coming home so --

DOBBS: And Patty, you get the last word here tonight.

COMPEAN: You know, just my kids are doing good. The boys don't know yet because my husband wants to surprise them. My four-year- old's birthday is in March, so it's going to be a beautiful birthday surprise. Other than that, we're all very excited and very grateful that they're coming home.

DOBBS: Well, as are we. And our best to both of your families. We thank you very much. Gentlemen, do your best, get those doors open for those two men.

BASKETT: Thank you, Lou.
MASON: Thank you.
BOTSFORD: Thank you, Lou, for helping.

Tonight's poll result, 93 percent of you say there should be a full investigation of George W. Bush for putting the interests of Mexico ahead of the interests of the two agents defending our border.

MAR

2 posted on 01/21/2009 9:29:57 PM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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01.17.09: # SNIP # There is massive across-the-board pressure on President Bush to pardon Ramos and Compean, particularly from his home State of Texas where “W” will return and live. We learned about W when he was Texas Governor. When the GOP masses arose against one of his stubborn positions, W would take the easy path and back down. I/we still believe this fight can be won. Once again, special thanks to CNN’s Lou Dobbs for his continued efforts to support the fight and maintain this travesty in the National spotlight. – FlA, SFARI, et. al.

# # # # #

LOU DOBBS TONIGHT TRANSCRIPT
Border Betrayal (Ramos & Compean)
January 16, 2009

Turning now to the case of former Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean, President Bush with just a few days remaining in office still has not pardoned the imprisoned former Border Patrol agents. The president apparently showing no interest in correcting what is a serious miscarriage of justice. Now lawmakers from both parties are increasing the pressure on the president. They want the lead prosecutor in this case to support calls for clemency and pardon. It's a story you'll only see here on LOU DOBBS TONIGHT, Casey Wian with our report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Lawmakers from California to Massachusetts want President Bush to free former Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean. They're serving long prison terms in the 2005 nonfatal shooting of a fleeing drug smuggler who was an illegal alien.

REP. BRIAN BILBRAY (R), CALIFORNIA: Here is a mistake that President Bush can correct now.

REP. BILL DELAHUNT (D), MASSACHUSETTS: This particular punishment is excessive and disproportionate.

REP. STEVE KING (R), IOWA: They do not deserve to sit in a federal penitentiary for 11 and 12 years for defending our border.

REP. MICHAEL MCCAUL (R), TEXAS: For the sake of the moral of the Border Patrol and for the sake of justice, free Ramos and Compean.

WIAN: The congressmen also appealed to the leader of Ramos and Compean's prosecution, Texas U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton (ph).

REP. DANA ROHRABACHER (R), CALIFORNIA: We're asking Johnny Sutton to look into his heart as a prosecutor and to advise the president of the United States to at the very least commute the sentences.

WIAN: They displayed statements by Sutton that the sentences given to the two men were too harsh.

REP. LOUIE GOHMERT (R), TEXAS: If Johnny Sutton does not want his last act as U.S. attorney to be a lie, making all these quotes a lie he needs to push for commutation.

WIAN: Congressman Duncan Hunter is a Marine Corp veteran of three tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

REP. DUNCAN HUNTER (R), CALIFORNIA: This to me, the Compean/Ramos case is the equivalent of a United States Marine being prosecuted on the word of a convicted terrorist who has tried to take American lives.

WIAN: Another lawmaker appealed to the president's faith.

REP. WALTER JONES (R), NORTH CAROLINA: For God's sakes get down on your knees and pray to God and ask him if you should commute these sentences because I believe God would tell you yes.

WIAN: Both U.S. senators from Texas and all but three of the state's 32 congressmen wrote President Bush this week requesting a commutation.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WIAN: The group includes Democrats Sylvester Reyes (ph), a former Border Patrol sector chief. But the only opinions that matter now are those of President Bush and his prosecutor, Johnny Sutton. Asked about the case in a recent interview, the president refused to discuss pardons. Johnny Sutton's office says he won't comment further. Lou.

DOBBS: Casey, all we can do is hope that the conscience and good judgment prevail here. Thank you very much. Casey Wian.

MAR for TAB

3 posted on 01/21/2009 9:30:27 PM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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They are getting out. They are much better off this week then they were last week. Let’s move on to something else now.


4 posted on 01/21/2009 9:35:34 PM PST by MovementConservative (Oregon Ducks 42, Oklahoma St. Cowboys 31)
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To: SwinneySwitch

PING - MAR


5 posted on 01/21/2009 9:38:08 PM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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'In fact, the Department of Homeland Security, with the behest of the Mexican government, it now appears, led the investigation against these two agents, which is highly, highly irregular, rather than the Justice Department, correct?

WIAN: Absolutely. You know, we asked Congressman Walter Jones of North Carolina, who's been involved in this case since the very beginning, trying to get these agents freed, what he thought of this admission by the Mexican foreign ministry, that they've been actively lobbying to keep these agents in jail, and he said, tell the Mexican government to keep the drug smugglers on their side of the border.

DOBBS: Casey, thank you very much. We're going to be following this story rigorously and, yes, relentlessly. Until this story is concluded with what we hope will be a very happy ending for these border patrol agents, their families and, frankly, this country. This is an extraordinary development, the statements of the deputy foreign minister of Mexico, and the fact that it appears quite clear now that the Bush administration if his statements are true, that the Bush administration was nothing more than a witting tool of the Mexican government, a deplorable development.
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I am for any investigation into Bush or his administration on this issue.
6 posted on 01/21/2009 9:40:15 PM PST by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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When has the President, I can’t ever remember a Commutation being postponed for 60 days. Now we find out what we already knew to some extent that the Mexican Government was behind their prosecution and punishment.

I’m glad he commuted the sentance but they should have never been prosecuted.


7 posted on 01/21/2009 9:46:50 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: flattorney

I don’t think Bush really wanted to commute these guys. Why he did is a mystery to me.


8 posted on 01/21/2009 9:53:51 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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Considering all the Mexican government officials who are on the take from the drug lords, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened here. Why people in Washington went along with it is another question entirely, the answer to which I could not guess.


9 posted on 01/21/2009 9:53:53 PM PST by squidly
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I don’t think Bush really wanted to commute these guys. Why he did is a mystery to me.

When the $#it hits the fan, blow-back on this issue could go viral. It's his attempt to inoculate himself against this. There is little grass roots support for the former president in prosecuting these agents.

10 posted on 01/21/2009 10:04:46 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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Why is the Mexican government working so hard to keep these men in prison?

Because people like them and us scare the hell out of him. It's not unusual for a patriot to scare a dictator. There's enough of us out there to wipe him out and that too scares him. In turn, he's scared that we will stop taking his crap and remove him from his office, permanently.

11 posted on 01/21/2009 10:04:49 PM PST by Force of Truth (Sarah Palin in 2012!!!!!! WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!)
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Correct. This is something that stink hole will have to deal with. The stories of vigilantes killing drug dealers are all to real. Mexico is on the verge of collapse.


12 posted on 01/21/2009 10:14:30 PM PST by fantom
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To: flattorney

Do you know the reason their release is being delayed for 2 months?


13 posted on 01/21/2009 10:29:25 PM PST by HollyB
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To: flattorney

That’s why they call him “Jorge”!


14 posted on 01/21/2009 11:17:34 PM PST by Judges Gone Wild (The cube root of 216 is 6. 8/4/61 was the 216 day of that year. The Beast's # is ...)
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I don’t think Bush really wanted to commute these guys. Why he did is a mystery to me.

From what I've read, he was always sympathetic to their plight, but didn't want to undo what a lawfully-constituted jury had done -- separation of powers and all that.

I think the commutation was the right thing to do. A full pardon would have been essentially flipping off the jury.

You take what you can get. Compromise is the essence of politics, for good or ill.

15 posted on 01/22/2009 12:03:32 AM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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To: flattorney

Lou Dobbs is a flake.


16 posted on 01/22/2009 1:07:32 AM PST by qwertypie
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To: JennysCool
Several of the jurors have come forward and say that they would have deliberated differently if they had been aware of all the facts surrounding the case and the drug smuggler.

These men were railroaded, pure and simple.

17 posted on 01/22/2009 1:15:45 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Several of the jurors have come forward and say that they would have deliberated differently if they had been aware of all the facts surrounding the case and the drug smuggler.

This is a great illustration how the legal "profession" has corrupted our legal "system," by strengthening the emphasis on gamesmanship over justice.

18 posted on 01/22/2009 1:57:19 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: flattorney
Don't forget Antonio O. Garza, Jr. “U.S. Ambassador
to Mexico” wed a Mexican woman that is a member of
the rulers and looters of Mexico and was not removed
for a conflict of duty.

How much did he put American sovereignty above his
loyalty to the looters of Mexico?

19 posted on 01/22/2009 2:14:53 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (!yaw gnorw eht su gnikat si noitartsinimdA amabO ehT)
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To: Gondring

I would agree.


20 posted on 01/22/2009 2:17:48 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: squidly
Why people in Washington went along with it is another question entirely, the answer to which I could not guess.

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, they used to have a saying. It went something like this...

"Follow the money."


21 posted on 01/22/2009 2:56:23 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: flattorney
Raw Deal For Ramos And Compean
NewsWithViews.com by Jon Christian Ryter
January 22, 2009

On his final full day in office, Mon., Jan. 19, 2001, outgoing President George W. Bush commuted the 11 and 12 year sentences of Ignatious "Nachos" Ramos and Jose Alonzo Compean, respectively. The act of clemency, which leaves their convictions—and their status as "convicted felons"—intact, goes into effect on March 20 when their prison sentences will simply "expire." Bush's decision came two years after the agents began serving their prison sentences on Jan. 17, 2007 for shooting Mexican drug runner Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila. On Feb. 17, 2005 drug cartel drug-runner Aldrete-Davila loaded up his van with 743-lbs of marijuana in a small village near Juarez, Mexico and headed for Fabens, Texas where he planned to dispose of his million dollar cargo.

Driving the same levee road near the Rio Grande that fateful night was "Border Patrol Agent of the Year" nominee Jose Compean, an agent with over 100 arrests under his belt. When Compean spied Aldrete-Davila, the drug-running was barreling north at high speed. Compean radioed for back-up. When Aldrete-Davila reached the outskirts of Fabens, he suddenly realized he couldn't outrun the Border Patrol. He decided to try to get his contraband—which didn't belong to him—back across the river into Mexico to avoid arrest and the seizure of his cargo. By this time, however, a second and third agent had joined the chase.

Realizing he could not save his cargo and himself, Aldrete-Davila abandoned his car on the levee and fled to the river on foot—into the waiting hands of Compean who correctly surmised what the drug smuggler would do. Only, at that moment, none of the agents knew they had a career drug smuggler within their grasp. As far as they knew, this was just an illegal. Perhaps a coyote with a vanload of illegals. A foot pursuit took place. Had Compean been a bigger, heavier man, the chase might have ended differently.

As he neared the levee, Ramos later testified to his superiors that "...at some point during the time where I'm crossing the canal, I hear shots. Later, I see Compean on the ground, but I keep running after the smuggler..." (who, at that moment, he did not know was a smuggler). This would be a sticking point for US Attorney Johnny Sutton who prosecuted them. Sutton argued since they did not know the suspect was a drug runner, they could not use lethal force to stop him; and the fact that Ramos and Compean fired he him was not mitigated by the fact that Aldrete-Davila was a drug smuggler with a million dollars worth of contraband. Both Ramos and Compean affirmed that Aldrete-Davila had a weapon and as he was running to the river, and that he turned to fire at them. They fired. And, even though there was no blood trail from the spot where Aldrete-Davila was running to the river, Aldrete-Davila insisted the wound he suffered was caused by an assault by the Border Patrol agents and that he did not have a weapon. Ramos testified that he saw Aldrete-Davila holding a nickle-plated handgun. Believing his life was in danger, Ramos fired. "But I didn't think he was hit because he kept running into the brush and disappeared. Later we all watched as he jumped into a van [on the other side of the border]. He seemed fine. It didn't look like he'd been hit at all."

While both Ramos and Compean told their field supervisors that they discharged their weapons, that information did not appear in the supervisor's report. Further, since Compean policed his brass, both were charged with conspiracy to conceal evidence of a crime. Under the Immigration Control & Enforcement Protection Table of Offenses and Penalties, failure to report that a weapon had been discharged in the line of duty was punishable by suspension without pay for 5 days. At most, this was the only "crime" of which Ramos and Compean should have been charged.

Aldrete-Davila suffered a wound caused by a 40-caliber Smith & Wesson jacketed hollow-point that entered the left buttock, passed through his pelvis and lodged in his right thigh, damaging the drug smuggler's urethra. (The agents carried 40 caliber Berettas.) Aldrete-Davila claims he suffered the wound at the hands of the Border Patrol while fleeing, unarmed. US Army Col. Winston Warme, MD of the William Beaumont Army Medical Center, who repaired Aldrete-Davila's urethra, testified that the bullet entered his body at an angle suggesting that the person who was shot was turning, like he was firing at the officers as he was fleeing. Nevertheless, the fact that Aldrete-Davila was shot with a 40 caliber slug, based on the lack of a blood trail, and without a ballistics match, does not confirm that either agent shot him. It 's just as likely that Aldrete-Davila was short by the drug lord whose marijuana it was that Aldrete-Davila lost when he dumped his cargo and dashed back across the river as a warning to other drug runners to protect their cargoes with their lives.

When Sutton issued an arrest warrant for the agents, Ramos and Compean were not given the courtesy of surrendering to their supervisors in the US Border Patrol, or even quietly to US Marshals. Sutton arranged for simultaneous SWAT teams to stage assaults on their homes, deliberately traumatizing their families and very deliberately sending a message to every Border Patrol agent that attempting to arrest those who violate our borders has a horrible price. (It worked. Arrests along the border by Border Patrol agents plummeted. They simply turned their backs on illegals crossing into the United States, images of Ramos and Compean etched into their minds.)

President Bush's decision on Monday was an answer to the prayers not only of the families of the two agents, but to thousands of conservatives who have been petitioning the White House to pardon the pair. Patty Compean, the wife of Jose Compean, learned her husband's sentence had been commuted from reporters who called to ask for a statement. She immediately called the prison in Ohio where her husband, like Ramos, has been held in solitary confinement since shortly after their convictions but was not allowed to speak with him even though his sentence had just been commuted by the President of the United States. Ramos was assaulted shortly after being confined. Both men were moved to solitary to protect their lives due to the danger they faced because they were law enforcement officers before thier convictions.

Monica Ramos said she had faith that Bush would "...help free her husband." In point of fact, Bush engineered the prosecution and conviction of her husband as a favor to Fox. Monica Ramos said "...[i]t's like a the nightmare will finally be over. We can have a new life, a new beginning."

Bush relented only because, over the last six months, he was flooded with requests from scores of members of Congress—both Republicans and Democrats—to pardon the Border Patrol agents. In a statement issued on Monday after the commutation, Sutton said "...the president has concluded that Compean and Ramos have been sufficiently punished," adding that the two agents "...had been justly convicted and that their status as convicted felons should remain in place." Think about that. Compean and Ramos were convicted of criminal assault and using a firearm during the commission of a crime of violence, and civil rights violations.

They were railroaded by the US Attorney and maliciously prosecuted at the insistence of the Attorney General of the United States. US District Court Judge Kathleen Cardone, a Bush-43 judicial appointment, railroaded the defendants. During the trial, Sutton attempted to inflame the non-sequestered jury by issuing a three page statement to the media that he could not legally enter into evidence in which he said the two agents "...fired their weapons at a man who was attempting to surrender by holding his open hands in the air."

During jury deliberation, three members of the jury, believing Ramos and Compean were innocent, held out for a not guilty verdict against nine jurors who were convinced the agents would never have been charged if they weren't guilty. That fact notwithstanding, at 2:15 p.m. on March 15, 2006 the jury found them guilty. When the verdict was read, the three jury members began to cry.

A few days later Ramos' lawyer, Mary Stillinger, contacted the jury members whom she witnessed crying. They agreed to speak to her on the record. They told Stillinger the jury foreman was told by Judge Cardone that the jury would vote either "guilty" or "not guilty." She would not accept a hung jury. If the three couldn't convince the other nine, they would have to vote guilty. The three should have insisted on seeing the judge's instructions in writing. If she did tell the jury foreman that, Cardone would never put such a demand in writing. The judge was engaging in jury intimidation.

Constitutionally, under our jury system, the judge does not have the power to tell a jury how they will or will not vote. The people constitutionally have the final word in the fate of those charged with violating the laws of this country. That's why the rule of law works. Conversely, when judges attempt to intimidate juries, or when prosecutors misrepresent the evidence, miscarriages of justice like the Ramos and Compean convictions happen. Bush's commutation is a further miscarriage of justice. Ramos and Compean deserve nothing short of a presidential pardon simply because they are innocent of the crimes for which they were accused and convicted. However else history judges former President George W. Bush, he will carry the stain of this deliberate miscarriage of justice, engineered by his presidency, into history.

For the sake of "jury unity," and not because they were convinced the pair was guilty of anything, Ramos and Compean were wrongfully confined in federal prison on Jan. 17, 2007 and will remain there until March 20, 2008. They will have spent 792 days in prison for a crime that did not happen just to fulfill an international political mandate to create a world with open borders. Of anyone who has ever sought a presidential pardon, no one has ever been more deserving of one than Ignatious Ramos and Jose Compean.

TAB

22 posted on 01/22/2009 4:39:40 AM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: flattorney
Official Statement from President Bush’s criminal co-conspirator, and close personal friend, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton

TAB

23 posted on 01/22/2009 4:40:10 AM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: qwertypie

And so are you ~ TAB


24 posted on 01/22/2009 4:42:27 AM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: flattorney

This stinks to High Heaven!


25 posted on 01/22/2009 5:36:18 AM PST by RoadTest (The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? - Jer.17:9)
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To: Gondring

“...This is a great illustration how the legal “profession” has corrupted our legal “system,” by strengthening the emphasis on gamesmanship over justice...”

BRAVO!

Been saying the same thing for years.

The attitude is, “To hell with justice, win at all costs.”


26 posted on 01/22/2009 5:37:19 AM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: flattorney

I’m not a Jerome Corsi fan but he got this one right. - FlA

02.13.07 WDN: MEXICO DEMANDED U.S. PROSECUTE SHERIFF, AGENTS
- - Documents show role of consulate in cases of Gilmer Hernandez and Ramos-Compean

The Mexican Consulate played a previously undisclosed role in the events leading to U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton's high-profile prosecution of Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who are serving 11 and 12 year sentences for their role in the shooting of a drug smuggler, according to documents obtained by WND. And Mexican consular officials also demanded the prosecution of Texas Sheriff's Deputy Guillermo "Gilmer" Hernandez, who subsequently was brought to trial by Sutton, the documents reveal.

Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas – among a number of congressman who have fiercely opposed the prosecution of Ramos and Compean – told WND he has "long suspected that Mexican government officials ordered the prosecution of our law enforcement agents." "Mexico wants to intimidate our law enforcement into leaving our border unprotected, and we now have confirmation of it in writing," Culberson said.

Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, was equally outraged. "The Mexican government should do more to keep illegals from Mexico from crossing into the United States, especially drug dealers, rather than be concerned about our border agents," he told WND. "The U.S. Justice Department should not be working for the Mexican government."

The White House and Sutton's office in El Paso, Texas, did not respond to calls from WND asking for comment.

Hernandez's attorney Jimmy Parks of San Antonio, Texas, told WND the documents "prove that it is wrong for my client to be in jail." "The prosecution of my client sends a wrong message to criminal illegal immigrants who are being tempted to cross our borders with impunity," he said.

Mexico intervenes - - WND has obtained a copy of a letter written April 18, 2005, by Mexican Consul Jorge Ernesto Espejel Montes in Eagle Pass, Texas, demanding Hernandez be prosecuted for injuring a Mexican national, Marciela Rodriguez Garcia. The first two paragraphs of the letter set out the facts of the case as understood by the Mexican consul. The letter is reproduced here as written:

I am addressing to you, regarding the case of the Mexican national, Ms. MARICELA RODRIGUEZ GARCIA (DOB 4-11-1979), who based on the information obtained by this Consulate, received a gunshot wound by an agent of the Sheriff Department of Edward County, that caused injuries in her face.

As far aw we know, last April 15, 2005, the Mexican national was transported in first insistence to Val Verde Hospital in Del Rio, Tx, and then to San Antonio, Tx., where she was attended at the University Hospital. Today, Mr. Gabriel Salas a member of the staff of this office had the opportunity of interviewed Ms. RODRIGUEZ who confirms the facts of the incident.

The final two paragraphs contain the demands of the Mexican consul:

Based on the Consular Convention between Mexico and the United States and the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Consulate of Mexico is entitled to represent, protect and defend the rights of Mexican nationals in this country. Therefore, I would like to point out, that is the care of my Country that this kind of incidents against our nationals, do not remain unpunished.

According to the information provided above, I would appreciate your kind assistance, so this Consulate can be informed of the current investigation, and your support, so you present and file a complaint with the necessaries arraignments.

WND has learned the Mexican consul addressed separate copies of the letter to the following parties:

WND also has learned that on April 29, 2005, Sheriff Lettsinger in Edwards County advised that the Texas Rangers met with the district attorney in Del Rio and was told the state of Texas had been removed from the Hernandez case because the FBI and the federal government were taking over.

The Mexican national Rodriguez was in a Chevrolet Suburban van full of illegals that attempted to run over Hernandez after he had stopped the vehicle for running a stop sign April 14, 2005, in Rocksprings, Texas. Firing his weapon at the rear tires, a bullet fragment hit Rodriguez in the mouth, cutting her lip and breaking two teeth.

Hernandez, convicted of felony civil rights violations, is incarcerated in a Del Rio prison waiting sentencing.

In the case of agents Ramos and Compean, WND has obtained notes made by a congressional staff member who attended the Sept. 26, 2006, meeting with three investigators from the Department of Homeland Security's Inspector General's office.

The staff member's notes indicate the Inspector General's office briefed the congressmen that the Mexican consul had also intervened in the Ramos and Compean case.

According to the notes obtained by WND, the congressmen were told:

Several weeks later (after the February 17, 2005 event near Fabens, Texas), the Mexican Consulate contacted the U.S. Consulate in Mexico saying that they have a person who claims to have been shot by a Border Patrol agent. On March 4, 2005, the U.S. Consulate contacted the U.S. attorney.

DHS investigative reports filed by Special Agent Christopher Sanchez document that March 4, 2005, is the date on which DHS initiated the Ramos-Compean investigation.

WND can find no evidence the Border Patrol, DHS, or U.S. Attorney Sutton had started any investigation of Ramos or Compean concerning the events of Feb. 17, 2005, prior to March 4, 2005.

'Dictating' policy

"The Mexican government should not be dictating United States border policy," Poe told WND after learning of the Mexican consul's involvement in both cases.

Culberson agreed.

"We have it in writing," he told WND, "a letter from the Mexican Consulate in the case of the deputy sheriff from Edwards County and verbal confirmation of the Mexican Consulate's complaint in the case of Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean."

Culberson told WND it is "outrageous and unacceptable that our government is prosecuting U.S. law enforcement officials at the request of the Mexican government."

The congressman said the revelations suggest national security may be at risk:

"U.S. national security interests in the war on terror must determine how we protect our border, not the opinions of the Mexican government," he said.

Culberson called for a congressional investigation, telling WND, "We've now got to find out how many other Mexican government complaints have led to the prosecutions of our law enforcement officers on the border, and this intimidation must stop."

Previous accounts in question

Sutton's claim he learned about the identity of the drug smuggler in the Ramos-Compean case, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, through consular contacts originating in Mexico apparently contradicts his explanation in an exclusive interview with WND Jan. 19, Sutton said his office learned the identity of Aldrete-Davila from a lawyer in Mexico representing the drug smuggler.

WND: So, Aldrete-Davila ran away, and as you say, at the time you didn't have any basis to know who he was and there were no fingerprints. But yet, you found the guy. If you found the guy to give him immunity, why couldn't you have found the guy to punish him?

SUTTON: The way we found him is that he came forward and was in Mexico with a lawyer. So, the only way to get him to testify was to give him immunity from being prosecuted. He wasn't going to agree to come to the United States, he wasn't going to agree to talk, unless he had some kind of immunity from being prosecuted for that load. So, that puts the prosecutor in the terrible choice of everyone goes free, we got no case against the dope dealer, we cannot make a case against the dope dealer because there's no evidence, thanks to agents and other factors.

Sutton's account also appears to contradict the March 14, 2005, memo from Special Agent Christopher Sanchez which claimed the government learned Aldrete-Davila's identity from Border Patrol Agent Rene Sanchez in Willcox, Ariz.

As WND reported, Christopher Sanchez's memo had claimed Rene Sanchez and Aldrete-Davila grew up together in Mexico. Rene Sanchez, the memo said, learned Aldrete-Davila was the drug smuggler involved in the incident with agents Ramos and Compean after his mother-in-law had a phone call with Aldrete-Davila's mother in Mexico.

The memo also indicates the shooting was reported to the Mexican Consulate.

Rene Sanchez said that his mother-in-law Gregoria Toquinto went to Mexico to help her friend Marcadia take her son Osbaldo to the Mexican Consulate to report the shooting incident. However, Osbaldo declined to go. Marcadia advised Toquinto that Osbaldo did not want to report the incident, because he had actually been transporting a load of marijuana and was afraid the Mexican and/or U.S. authorities would put him in jail.

Staff notes WND obtained from the Sept. 26, 2006, meeting Poe, Culberson and two other Texas Republican congressmen had with three investigators in the Inspector General's office indicate the Mexican Consulate knew all about Aldrete-Davila. That conflicts with Sutton's claim the drug smuggler was so concerned about prosecution he was afraid to talk to the Mexican Consulate.

It also contradicts the DHS Report of Investigation released by Assistant Inspector General Elizabeth Redman to Congress in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by Poe. On a page numbered as "4 of 33," the DHS report appears to have a heavily redacted version of the Rene Sanchez mother-in-law story.

Redman was one of three DHS investigators who attended the Sept. 26, 2006, meeting with the four Texas Republican congressman. The other two investigators were identified to WND as Tamara Faulkner and James Taylor.

As WND reported, DHS Inspector General Richard L. Skinner admitted under oath Feb. 6 that Redman and the other investigators had misled the Texas congressmen. Skinner was responding to questioning by Culberson before the Homeland Security Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee.

Skinner admitted, contrary to previous claims, DHS did not have investigative reports that would prove Ramos and Compean were rogue Border Patrol agents who told investigators they were "out to shoot some Mexicans" the day of the incident with Aldrete-Davila.

Culberson since has called for the resignation of the investigators.

Ramos-Compean trial

The Mexican consul's role in revealing the identity of Aldrete-Davila also conflicts with prosecutor Debra Kanof's opening statement to the jury in the Ramos-Compean trial.

According to a copy of the statement obtained by WND, Kanof explained the following to the jury Feb. 21, 2006:

Rene Sanchez is stationed in Willcox, Arizona. He's actually from El Paso. And sometime in the last couple of days of February he got a phone call from his mother-in-law. And his mother-in-law lives in Mexico, in a little town on the outskirts of Juarez. And she told him that she had been talking to a friend of hers, a girlfriend of hers, and that that girlfriend had told her that her son, the girlfriend's son, had been shot in back by a Border Patrol agent outside of El Paso, Texas, somewhere near San Elizario.

From there, Kanof explained how Rene Sanchez investigated.

So Rene Sanchez investigated. He made some phone calls to people he knew in El Paso and asked if there was a shooting.

First he needed to find out, however, when that occurred and approximately where it occurred. So he immediately reported it to his supervisor in Willcox, Arizona, who told him to get more information, which he did by calling his mother-in-law. And he instructed his mother-in-law to take a cell phone – his mother-in-law actually lives in El Paso – to take a cell phone to Mexico, give that cell phone to the individual who was shot, and have them call me, so I can get some facts. And that, he did.

The individual who shot is an individual by the name of Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila. And Rene Sanchez spoke with him on the phone, and he gave him information about what occurred that day.

Kanof said nothing to the jury suggesting the information about Aldrete-Davila actually came from the Mexican consul, who contacted the American Consulate in Mexico, who in turn contacted DHS and prosecutor Sutton's office.

While Ramos and Compean are in federal prison, Aldrete-Davila has found an American lawyer and plans to sue the Border Patrol for $5 million for allegedly violating his civil rights.

TAB

27 posted on 01/22/2009 5:57:47 AM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: flattorney
WHAT THE HELL.....Why does MEXICO have a thing to say about anything that goes on here in the STATES? They were drug runners on US soil. They got what they deserve, and should be dead, and the border patrol should have shot to kill, in my view point.

NOTE TO BORDER PATROL AGENTS......LEARN TO SHOOT BETTER, STICK TOGETHER AND LIE. Hell, everybody else LIES, Mexico does, the government does, politicians do. play the games they play.

GO US BORDER PATOL. I love you guys and I thank you for what you do.

28 posted on 01/22/2009 6:18:41 AM PST by nbhunt
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To: flattorney

In fairness in this matter, President Bush is a pawn of his father’s H.W. Bush Cartel that will do anything to further their North American Union agenda, particularly their open border agenda with Mexico. - FlA

02.14.07: Mexican Government Involved In Initiation Of Prosecution Of Agents Ramos And Compean
- - FireSociety Exclusive: Interview with WND’s Jerome Corsi on Mexico’s Role

World Net Daily’s Jerome Corsi is reporting that the Mexican government was directly involved in the initation of the investigation against Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean which led to their arrest, conviction and imprisonment. Corsi, quoting members of Congress and sourcing Hill staffers, reports that Department of Homeland Security investigators informed Congress that it was the Mexican Consulate that initiated the events by contacting the U.S. Consulate.

Mexican Consulate requests action - - In an interview with Grassfire.org’s Steve Elliott (see audio above, transcript below), Corsi explained that no action was taken for days following the incident at the border. In fact the agents’ actions were considered “normal” and the reporting “acceptable” until Mexico intervened. Says Corsi, “Then on March 4 the request came through from the Mexican Consulate to the U.S. consulate in Mexico demanding an investigation on the basis that the Mexican Consulate was bringing forth Davila and wanted the agents to be punished.” Corsi also documents how the Mexican government was instrumental in the initiation of the case against Sherriff’s Deputy Gilmer Hernandez — the other high-profile case involving U.S. prosecution against our own personnel in favor of illegal aliens. (See FireSociety petition supporting Hernandez.)

Agents pawns in Open Border agenda - - Corsi told Grassfire that these agents are “victims of Mexico” and the Bush administration agenda for “political and economic integration with Mexico and Canada.” Grassfire’s Steve Elliott says any involvement by the Mexican government is unacceptable. “The timing of Mexico’s involvement is not, to me, as critical as the fact that Mexico has such influence. It is outrageous that the Mexican government has any influence over the actions of our Justice Department, especially when the alleged victim is an illegal alien career drug smuggler. Mexico has no place in U.S. internal affairs.”

Following is a portion of Grassfire’s interview with Jerome Corsi.

How was the Mexican government involved in the Ramos/Compean case? - - For several weeks [after the February 17, 2005 incident at the border] no investigation was ongoing. The Border considered the incident to be completely normal, the reporting to be acceptable and nothing was being done. Then on March 4 the request came through from the Mexican Consulate to the U.S. consulate in Mexico demanding an investigation on the basis that the Mexican Consulate was bringing forth [drug smuggler] Davila and wanted the agents to be punished. On the Fourth of March we see an investigation began by the Department of Homeland Security in the Ramos and Compean case and a file opened by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Nothing had been done until the request came forward from the Mexican Consulate and the dates coincide — March 4, 2005 — the request from the Mexican Consulate and the start of the case by DHS and the Department of Justice.

So the Mexican Consulate initiated this entire fiasco? - - That’s correct. That’s how I see it.

This is coming out of the 9/26/06 meeting of DHS with members of Congress, correct? - - That is correct. I’ve gotten a hold of notes from staffers who attended that meeting…. Those notes fully document and are very clear that the contact came from the Mexican Consulate and it came through the U.S. Consulate in Mexico and that’s how the case has begun.

This is the same meeting in which DHS misled members of Congress, correct? - - These three DHS investigators…lied when it came to saying they had investigative reports that Ramos and Compean were rogue cops who were going to go out and shoot some Mexicans that day. … The Department of Homeland Security doesn’t have those reports. There’s nothing they can produce. It’s a lie.

Now we’re finding out that our own government is lying to members of Congress and our Department of Homeland Security may be acting on orders fro the MC! - - It’s shocking to me that there was no investigation against Ramos and Compean and the incident was considered normal — in fact they were being praised because they got 743 pounds of dope — …until Mexico demanded that George W. Bush be an agent of the Mexican government and prosecute these Border Patrol agents to defend a fleeing Mexican national drug dealer.

Why would our government be wanting to even take any direction from the Mexican government? - - I believe the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America that President Bush agreed to on March 23, 2005, …[that] President Bush has decided to integrate us — political and economic integration with Mexico and Canada — he’s going to pursue that agenda whether he explains it to the American people fully or not.

These border agents have been caught up in this… - - They’re just victims to Mexico as Vicente Fox has been pushing a North American Union for years…. That I believe is the agenda, and it’s openly there in the public record.

TAB


29 posted on 01/22/2009 6:32:28 AM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: nbhunt; SwinneySwitch; flattorney
01.22.09 FR: Mexican Drug Traffickers Now ‘Greatest Organized Crime Threat’ to U.S.

TAB

30 posted on 01/22/2009 6:40:29 AM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: Kimberly GG
I am for any investigation into Bush or his administration on this issue.

At the least he should be investigated to see if he allowed any part of the corrupt Mexican government to have any influence or say in his and the noJustice Departments decision to allow the ever more corrupt Johnny 'Juan' Sullivan, the Mexican loved and inspired U.S. Attorney in doing the bidding of the Mexican drug cartel.

Bush has acted very shamefully and I for one will never forgive him for his cowardly actions in this whole matter for placing the interests of a foreign corrupt government ahead of the nation he swore an oath to protect and defend against all invaders, foreign or domestic. I will certainly make sure my grandchildren know the real truth about his actions and their results on their future.

31 posted on 01/22/2009 7:02:34 AM PST by Ron H. (Until Obama proves his legal citizenship he is not my President!)
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To: qwertypie
Lou Dobbs is a flake.

And what does that make you, troll?!! Go away and crawl back under your slimy rock.

32 posted on 01/22/2009 7:06:28 AM PST by Ron H. (Until Obama proves his legal citizenship he is not my President!)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Don't forget Antonio O. Garza, Jr. “U.S. Ambassador to Mexico” wed a Mexican woman that is a member of the rulers and looters of Mexico and was not removed for a conflict of duty.

And a fairly large segment of the extended Bush family have intregated (wed) with members of some South American families.

33 posted on 01/22/2009 7:09:16 AM PST by Ron H. (Until Obama proves his legal citizenship he is not my President!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


34 posted on 01/22/2009 11:07:42 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: flattorney

BUMP


35 posted on 01/22/2009 11:19:09 AM PST by Dante3
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To: flattorney

mark for later


36 posted on 01/22/2009 11:22:12 AM PST by The Mayor ( In Gods works we see His hand; in His Word we hear His heart)
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To: All
“Lou Dobbs Tonight” Videos (15 Minutes)
Justice Delayed: (Because of Bush) Ramos & Compean could be in prison for 2 more months
Outrageous President Bush, Administration, and Mexican government collusion and corruption against our border patrol agents
January 21, 2009

Part 1 | Part 2

This entire Bush Cartel/Mexican government open borders scandal is the worst cover-up since Watergate. And it's dramatically worse than anything President Nixon did that led to his impeachment.

TAB

37 posted on 01/22/2009 12:09:38 PM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: Ron H.
Johnny 'Juan' Sullivan,

Ooops. Make that Sutton.

38 posted on 01/22/2009 12:54:49 PM PST by Ron H. (Until Obama proves his legal citizenship he is not my President!)
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To: flattorney; AuntB

Thank you sir.


39 posted on 01/22/2009 1:12:05 PM PST by Issaquahking
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To: flattorney

I hope these men can find decent jobs when they get out.


40 posted on 01/22/2009 1:16:42 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: qwertypie
Lou Dobbs is a flake.

I often watch his show, and I disagree with you.

41 posted on 01/22/2009 1:18:40 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Cyropaedia
Several of the jurors have come forward and say that they would have deliberated differently if they had been aware of all the facts surrounding the case and the drug smuggler.

When crucial facts are suppressed from juries, people spend years in jail. I'm sorry these men weren't let out this week.

42 posted on 01/22/2009 1:21:32 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: JennysCool
You take what you can get. Compromise is the essence of politics, for good or ill.

Correct, Bush made the right choice here, and I think that shows he's a man of good character. I love him as a President, even though he did a lot I did not agree with. I think he really tried hard for us, but he is only one man, so how much do you think he can really handle?

43 posted on 01/22/2009 9:19:50 PM PST by Force of Truth (Sarah Palin in 2012!!!!!! WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!)
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To: flattorney

Democrat Says Ramos and Compean Commutation Not Good Enough, Immigration Reform Patriots Must Co-operate
By Donald A. Collins
January 22, 2009

As my readers may recall, on December 26, 2008 VDARE.COM ran my piece entitled “Democrat Regretfully Predicts No Pardons for Ramos and Compean”.

Well, as everyone now knows, on January 19th, we got from George Bush on his last full day in office what, for these poor heroes and their families, was, I feel sure, the welcome decision to have their sentences commuted. I guess it proves again that politics is the art of the possible. For that we can all be grateful—but far from satisfied, since the intent of the original charges, to intimidate Border Patrol officers and discourage them from doing their duties, was likely in part achieved. There were many comments from those of us who have been for the past two years pleading for justice. But one of the best I have seen was just received from Mr. Frank Jorge, founder of the Antelope Valley Independent Minutemen:

“The false imprisonment and politically motivated persecution of Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean has taken a positive turn with the commutation of their sentences by George W. Bush on his last day as president. It has been reported that Texas congressman, John Culberson hand delivered a bi-partisan request from Texan government officials (34 of 37 ) for an end to the unjust imprisonment of these men whom many of us hold in high esteem and regard as American heroes.

The terms of the commutation are as follows:

Both will be on probation for three years under terms of the presidential order

The two men remain on file as felons

They will not be released until March 20, 2009

The conviction will stay on their records

They will be on supervised release

These men, Compean and Ramos, continue to be victimized by the George Bush political machine. They should be exonerated, their records wiped clean, their jobs restored with back pay, an apology, and restitution for the injustice they and their families have endured made. A further investigation into the machinations of Texas prosecutor Johnny Sutton and all others involved in the framing of these officers must be made and justice meted out with the probable incarceration of Sutton and his accomplices as its goal. George Bush has without doubt reflected upon the liabilities to himself as a former president going back to Texas where he has decided to live. He granted a commutation in order to spare himself...not the two agents.

Why do they have to wait two months before being released from prison? They should have been released long ago. This was a politically motivated prosecution from the beginning with the purpose of making Border Patrol agents think twice before protecting our borders and to keep the borders open.

Of the prosecution of these agents Texas Rep Ted Poe said in November, “These two guys are political prisoners”. Los Angeles California Radio station KFI’s John and Ken have said that they will host a fund raiser for the agents and their families in the near future . Joe Loya, father in law of agent Ramos said that he had faith that this day would come. I thank those of you that attended our AVIMM rally held in Santa Clarita along with Roger Gitlin’s SCVIMM a few months back and met Joe Loya and his family. Thank you once again for your donations made on that day directly to Mr Loya.

President Bush leaves office as possibly the worst president in American history. A man who will be remembered as a small, petty human being that sacrificed our nations honor to illegal aliens from third world countries for political gain. He will be remembered for having kept the borders open in spite of the public outcry to secure them and to enforce immigration law. Bush’s presidency after eight years has seen America degraded as our nation’s wealth evaporated on his watch and thousands of Americans grieve after their loved ones were murdered or assaulted by the illegal aliens that he allowed into our nation. He will be remembered for having destroyed the Republican Party, the stability of our nation and the hopes of its citizens.”

Donald A. Collins is a freelance writer living in Washington DC and a board member of FAIR, the Federation for American Immigration Reform. His views are his own.

TAB


44 posted on 01/23/2009 7:26:47 AM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: flattorney

“the worst cover-up since Watergate. And it’s dramatically worse than anything President Nixon did that led to his impeachment.”
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Now that the marxist fraud is in office, all i can say is

You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet!


45 posted on 01/23/2009 7:34:15 AM PST by Canedawg (Lincoln freed the slaves, BO will free the terrorists.)
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