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FReeper Book Club: Atlas Shrugged, The Top and the Bottom
A Publius Essay | 31 January 2009 | Publius

Posted on 01/31/2009 11:38:31 AM PST by Publius

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To: reformedliberal
You only get this kind of education at FR, not DU or Kos. That's why this site is so important.
121 posted on 02/02/2009 4:00:48 PM PST by Publius (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Publius

Publius, thank you so much for doing this! I had intended to read AS again and this analysis is really a great way to get the most out of the book!


122 posted on 02/02/2009 4:53:58 PM PST by MtnClimber (You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows,)
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To: Publius
I would cast Rutger Hauer as Ragnar Danneskjold.

Perfect character but at 65 I fear he is to old for the part now.

You fans of 24, could Kiefer Sutherland play the part?

How about the scandinavian Stellan Skarsgard?

The Scot actor Kevin McKidd?

123 posted on 02/02/2009 8:16:20 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Publius

I had been thinking that Orlando Bloom who played the bow and arrow wielding Legolas Greenleaf in the Lord of the Rings movie and was also in one or more Pirates of the Carribean movies would be great as Ragnar Danneskjold.


124 posted on 02/02/2009 8:38:38 PM PST by MtnClimber (You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows,)
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To: youturn

Ping to Chapter 3.


125 posted on 02/02/2009 8:51:49 PM PST by Publius (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

rationing is exactly what taxdodger Daschle has in mind


126 posted on 02/02/2009 9:05:54 PM PST by GeronL (Had the flu. Not well yet.)
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To: Publius

Sorry, late to the book club.

Add me to the ping list?

Great topic. Enjoyed your insights.


127 posted on 02/03/2009 3:41:34 AM PST by turfmann
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To: stylin_geek

Ping to Chapter 3.


128 posted on 02/03/2009 3:55:43 PM PST by Publius (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: FBD

Ping to Chapter 3.


129 posted on 02/03/2009 10:46:32 PM PST by Publius (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Publius

So, the characters are developing, who in the current political environment are similar to the characters in AS? I might think Rahm is Wesley. Dagney isn’t Sarah, but their ideas are close. It would be an interesting exercise.


130 posted on 02/04/2009 1:24:03 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Limbaugh/Palin 2012)
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To: suthener

Ping to Chapter 3.


131 posted on 02/04/2009 2:46:53 PM PST by Publius (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Indy Pendance

We’re going to be doing a lot more of these exercises as our book club moves on. Be patient. Wesley is nothing compared to monsters like Cuffy Meigs.


132 posted on 02/04/2009 2:48:11 PM PST by Publius (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Publius

I finally got a copy of the book and am caught up now. I’ll start participating. Thanks for the pings.


133 posted on 02/06/2009 6:05:11 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan
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To: Publius
not to mention currying favor with the communist government which they believed was the wave of the future.

When the book was published in 1957 this was not an isolated opinion. This was the age of Sputnik, when the Soviet Union seemed at least to be equal and at times superior to the United States. Around this time, John W. Campbell (the influential and extremely conservative editor of Astounding Science Fiction) published many stories around this time by Mack Reynolds and others, about a future where the USA was second-rate power in a world dominated by the technological and economic prowess of the USSR. In other words, a belief that Communism was the wave of the future was held by many from all over the political spectrum, not just leftist ideologues.

Today, after the collapse of the Soviet empire in 1989-91, this kind of faith in the USSR seems almost quaint, but it was very real and very much informed Rand's world.

The most expensive bar in New York...is designed to look like a cellar

Another prescient image of the future. The 1980s saw the beginnings of "rave" culture, where the coolest clubs were literally abandoned warehouses taken over for the night by hipsters.

134 posted on 02/07/2009 8:03:59 PM PST by denydenydeny (People in dictatorships long for truth while pampered, decadent people in the West long for myth.)
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To: Publius
The meeting in this chapter was aimed at using the federal government as a weapon against Hank Rearden because he was a success.

Rearden's success was a threat because it was an inspiration. If the goal is nationalization, then the way to further that goal is to remove the incentive to acheive through sapping the hope that one can acheive without the government and make it seem almost like a crime to become a success independently.

This way, not only is it less likely that someone will want to strive but if they do, then they will be castigated as being opposed to the public good and the passions of the masses will be used in councils against them.

Sounds eerily like the present day, doesn't it.

135 posted on 02/08/2009 12:25:50 PM PST by TheThinker (Shame and guilt mongering is the Left's favorite tool of control.)
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To: IronJack
It is Keats’ “widening gyre”

Yeats, not Keats.

136 posted on 06/27/2009 3:12:05 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: Publius
Wanting to start at the top is a sign of entitlement. What belief is the key to a sense of entitlement? Why do liberals ignore the basic steps to success and want it all now?

Liberals think that advantage, especially economic advantage, is unearned and undeserved. For example, an advantaged (rich) person got his money due to illicit practices, exploitation, inheritance and/or luck. Since all of these means are improper to a liberal, the advantaged person has no right to his position. As a corollary, a disadvantaged person has every right to usurp the position of the advantaged (i.e., start at the top). In fact, a disadvantaged person may see such usurpation as a noble act.

137 posted on 06/27/2009 3:54:26 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: matt1234
Liberals think that advantage, especially economic advantage, is unearned and undeserved.

In Marxism, all inequities are the result of class differences ... social constructs, not human failings. "Fix" the society and you erase the inequities. The corollary of course is that no one "deserves" more than any other, regardless of their abilities, ethic, or diligence. They should simply revel in their ability to contribute more to the Collective since, in the edenic Marxist vision, no status accrues to material wealth anyway.

And you're right. It was Yeats, not Keats. Unpardonable sin for an English major.

138 posted on 06/28/2009 8:56:38 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: r-q-tek86
Part I, Chapter IV: The Immovable Movers
139 posted on 08/14/2009 6:16:19 PM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("A building has integrity just like a man. And just as seldom." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Califreak

Bookmark


140 posted on 10/29/2009 12:04:26 PM PDT by Califreak (Obama's Purple Reign must be stopped!)
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