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Catholic Priest Discovers A Jewish 'Holocaust By Bullets'
DigitalJournal ^ | Jan 31, 2009

Posted on 02/01/2009 12:24:36 PM PST by nickcarraway

It appears to be the case of unveiling the possible origins of the Final Solution by World War II Nazi Leader and Fuhrer Adolf Hitler. This is a piece of history that was almost forgotten.

For those familiar with World History, European History, and/or World War II History, one should know about the “Final Solution.” This plan was coined by Fuhrer and leader of Nazi Germany Adolf Hitler. This is the genocide of the Jews in Europe. Many Jews were taken and rounded up in concentration camps where they would meet their ends by the gas chambers. That is if one did not die of starvation, inhumane experiments, and everything else.

That is the gist of Hitler’s Final Solution.

However, a Catholic Priest may have uncovered the possible origins and beginnings of Hitler’s Final Solution. This had nothing to do with gas chambers. It was still genocide in this respect. This was genocide by gunfire across Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia.

This has been unveiled by French Catholic Priest Patrick Desbois after seven years. He spent seven years interviewing over 800 witnesses. They were more than helpful. The witnesses led him to numerous mass graves across the former USSR.

The end product is a good called “The Holocaust by Bullets.” This seemingly forgotten aspect of the Holocaust explains that there are over two-million Jews that died not by poison gas but by gunfire.

There is also an exhibition at New York’s Museum of Jewish Heritage until March 15. If you live nearby the area, you could take the chance and check it out. Even though this interesting piece of history has been unveiled, Desbois continues to look for more mass graves.

This discovered method of genocide is just as inhuman and brutal as the gas chambers. So far, it is revealed that the book is very detailed. Paul Shapiro of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum supports the credibility of the book.

Desbois said: “I am in a hurry to find all the bones, to establish the truth and justice so that the world can know what happened and that the Germans never left a tiny village in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia without killing Jews there.”

Overall, it is through the hard and painstaking task of work and research in which Desbois was able to uncover a major piece of World War II and Holocaust history that could possibly never have been unveiled.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Germany
KEYWORDS: history; holocaust; worldwarii

1 posted on 02/01/2009 12:24:36 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Anyone who would be surprised by this ‘discovery’ obviously hasn’t studied much history.

Next thing you know they’ll discover that the Nazis used vehicles where they vented the CO into the passenger area to kill folks.


2 posted on 02/01/2009 12:31:37 PM PST by PAR35
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To: nickcarraway
This seemingly forgotten aspect of the Holocaust explains that there are over two-million Jews that died not by poison gas but by gunfire.

I own the "Encyclopedia of the Third Reich" by Dr. Louis Snyder, copyright 1989. It includes entries for the Einsatzgruppen (Task Forces) and says that they killed 2 million Jews, and (of course) mentions Babi Yar, the site outside of Kiev where 35,000 Jews were massacred in 2 days.

These things have not been forgotten. The information is not new.

3 posted on 02/01/2009 12:31:37 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: nickcarraway
Why is the writer presenting this as some new discovery of a "forgotten" episode? Events like the Babi Yar massacre of 30,000 Ukrainian Jews in 1941 are well documented in Holocaust literature and at various museums, as is the role of Nazi "Einsatzgruppen" in the murder of Jews as the Germans advanced eastward. The "Final Solution" was well underway before the industrialized death camps and gas chambers were opened and everyone familiar with the history knows this. Possibly he is unfamiliar with this aspect of the Holocaust himself and assumes that others are as well? I know he means well but frankly the tone of this article is quite misleading about the significance of the new research.
4 posted on 02/01/2009 12:35:54 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: PAR35

Hmm...didn’t the term “Final Solution” come from the Wannasee Conference? And wasn’t Herman Goering or Heydrich the person who coined the phrase?


5 posted on 02/01/2009 12:37:22 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Correct. This is common knowledge. The fact that a European priest could believe that this is a new discovery, and some idiot journalist could report it as such, offers conclusive proof of the continuing corrupt falsification of history by the european elite.
6 posted on 02/01/2009 12:37:54 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: PAR35

Ahh, the old “Becker” van. The cost/Jew was too high and inefficient.


7 posted on 02/01/2009 12:37:54 PM PST by fortunate sun (Undermine Obama with every thought, word and deed.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Exactly, IIRC, the Nazis recruited locals and native German police to round up jews and shoot or hang them in Ukraine and Belorus and the Baltic Countries?


8 posted on 02/01/2009 12:38:57 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: PAR35

I think you’re missing the point.

Fifty years ago people believed that millions died in Auschwitz. Now many experts - including the official Auschwitz historical panel in Poland - says it was about 750,000 people (if I recall correctly). Many people thought this meant that the official panel was denying that the old number (nearly 6 million) was correct.

What many historians, including myself, suspected was that many more Jews were shot to death by the einsatzengruppen than previously believed. Now, because of this priest the necessary evidence is showing up.

There have been several articles about this priest and his work over the years. He has done a great service by helping to clarify exactly HOW many Jews died in the Holocaust. This helps to refute Holocaust deniers.


9 posted on 02/01/2009 12:50:34 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I thought pretty much everyone knew about the tendency of Nazi special forces being ordered to round up targeted individuals/groups and slaughter them, then disposing of the bodies in mass grave pits. It’s unbelievable to me that this would be touted as a new discovery...??!!??


10 posted on 02/01/2009 12:52:14 PM PST by surplusboy
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To: vladimir998

Good explanation. Thanks. I think that the journalist reporting this story explained the situation poorly. There is a big difference between expanding what is known about the actions of the Einsatzgruppen and (apparently) acting like the whole topic is new discovery.


11 posted on 02/01/2009 12:54:14 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: vladimir998

http://www.memorialdelashoah.org/upload/minisites/ukraine/en/en_exposition5-desbois.htm


12 posted on 02/01/2009 12:54:24 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: nickcarraway; PAR35; ClearCase_guy; hinckley buzzard

It occurred to me that one of the big differences between Freepers and the media/left opposition is that the former are far more likely to display a useful knowledge of history, while the lefties know history only as a series of disconnected talking points.

In this string, two people mentioned Babi Yar and the Einsatzgruppen within a few minutes and apparently without seeing each other’s messages first, and others added more detail, such as the Becker gas vans.

Media lefties would probably regard this as very arcane knowledge, since their confidence in their own intellectual superiority leads them to assume that their own abysmal ignorance is the norm. Here, it is indeed common knowledge.


13 posted on 02/01/2009 12:54:59 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: fortunate sun

Hard on the engines, too. Just like the bullets proved to be too expensive and inefficient, and caused morale problems, as well.


14 posted on 02/01/2009 12:57:22 PM PST by PAR35
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To: vladimir998; ClearCase_guy

Exactly right. The writer clearly does not understand Father Desbois’s research or its significance.


15 posted on 02/01/2009 1:01:41 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: vladimir998

thanks for your reality post...it really helps when soemone knows what they are talking about, like you.

don’t you just love posters that just jump in with a nasty attitude and ignorance?


16 posted on 02/01/2009 1:01:42 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (FREE BLAGO !!! LET HIM SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER !!!)
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To: PAR35
Anyone who would be surprised by this ‘discovery’ obviously hasn’t studied much history.

So naturally it's a shocking discovery for the reporter.

17 posted on 02/01/2009 1:04:04 PM PST by Sci Fi Guy (Brian De Palma hates America)
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To: ClearCase_guy

This information IS new.!!

You own the encyclopedia! whoopee do for you! this priest has spent years going to sites and researching to help put ALL the pieces together. Looks like the Revised and updated books will have his information added.

This priest went to areas that were never researched. so before you go slamming this fine man who has done good work, do your research.

It has taken its toll on this man, as he has done interview after interview. I could barely be able to get through a few, let alone hundreds!


18 posted on 02/01/2009 1:05:57 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (FREE BLAGO !!! LET HIM SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER !!!)
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To: nickcarraway
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/007499.ph

It is possible to trace modern Islamic anti-Semitism back along a number of different historical and intellectual threads, but, no matter which one you choose, they all seem to pass, at one point or another, through the hands of Hajj Amin al-Husseini--Hitler’s mufti.

In late March 1933, al-Husseini contacted the German consul general in Jerusalem and requested German help in eliminating Jewish settlements in Palestine--offering, in exchange, a pan-Islamic jihad in alliance with Germany against Jews around the world. It was not until 1938, in the aftermath of British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain’s infamous capitulation to Hitler at Munich, that Hajj Amin al-Husseini’s overtures to Nazi Germany were officially reciprocated. But by then the influence of Nazi ideology had already grown significantly throughout the Arab Middle East.

Several of the Arab political parties founded during the 1930s were modeled after the Nazi party, including the Syrian Popular Party and the Young Egypt Society, which were explicitly anti-Semitic in their ideology and programs. The leader of Syria’s Socialist Nationalist Party, Anton Sa’ada, imagined himself an Arab Hitler and placed a swastika on his party’s banner.

Though he was the grand mufti of Jerusalem, al-Husseini moved his base of operations (and pro-Nazi propaganda) to Lebanon in 1938, to Iraq in 1939 (where he helped establish the strongly pro-German Rashid Ali al-Gaylani as prime minister), and then to Berlin in 1941.

Adolf Eichmann’s deputy, Dieter Wisliceny, testified at the Nuremberg Trials that Hajj Amin al-Husseini “was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures.” At Auschwitz, al-Husseini reportedly “admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently.”

After the defeat of the Axis powers, Hajj Amin al-Husseini escaped indictment as a war criminal at Nuremberg by fleeing to Egypt, where he received political asylum and where he met the young Yasser Arafat, his distant cousin, who became a devoted protégé—to the point that the PLO recruited former Nazis as terrorist instructors. Up until the time of his death, Arafat continued to pay homage to the mufti as his hero and mentor.

This unholy legacy continues. Hajj Amin al-Husseini has inspired two generations of radical Islamic leaders to carry on Hitler’s war against the Jews, which is why today, as was true sixty years ago, it is not the Catholic Church that is the great threat to the survival of the Jewish people, it is Islamofascism.

19 posted on 02/01/2009 1:07:30 PM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: padre35

Well, prior proposed solutions proved unworkable. In the mid 30s, the Nazis would have been perfectly happy to implement a solution which transported the Jews (without their assets, of course) to Africa or South America. They did manage to get thousands to the Middle East, despite British blockades. Attempts to send them to Cuba or the US were also blocked.

After war broke out, it became clear that resettlement wasn’t viable, and that’s when they looked for a final solution.

I think Heydrich is generally credited with the phrase.


20 posted on 02/01/2009 1:07:43 PM PST by PAR35
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To: ClearCase_guy

sorry I jumped on your case. My post was too snarky.

I just am very proud that this priest has taken such effort and don’t want it mimimized.


21 posted on 02/01/2009 1:08:51 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (FREE BLAGO !!! LET HIM SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER !!!)
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To: nickcarraway

http://www.greek-genocide.org/press/29091918.html


22 posted on 02/01/2009 1:29:20 PM PST by gitmogrunt (Turkish - German collaboration in Genocide, circa 1918. This was the trial run,before the holocaust.)
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To: nickcarraway

Vividly depicted in the brilliant book, “The Lost: The Search for Six of the Six Million,” by Daniel Mendelssohn, and the movie “Everything is Illuminated,” directed by Liev Shrieber and starring Elijah Wood.


23 posted on 02/01/2009 1:29:51 PM PST by Inkie (Attn Dems: Loose Lips Sink Ships -- but hey, I guess that's your goal))
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To: padre35

Padre,

My parents fled Ukraine in 1938 before the Commies invaded and many of the people who were “rounded up” and shot were NKVD agents that were responsible for killing 10 million Ukrainians during the prior 10 years.

They were killed for the “crime” of resisting communism.


24 posted on 02/01/2009 1:46:42 PM PST by blackminorca
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To: nickcarraway
The first Einsatzgruppe, the prototype as it were, operated in Poland in 1939, under the command of SS General Udo von Worsych. They shot Jews, Catholic priests, and any potential opposition leadership. The military governor, Blaskowitz, tried to court martial members of the Einsatzgruppe [and other SS men guilty of murdering Jews], and sent written reports on their activities to Brauchitsch, the C. in C. of the German Army, and to Hitler. Hitler exempted the SS from military courts, Hans Frank was sent to Poland, and Blaskowitz was transferred back to active duty. He was never promoted for the rest of the war.

By the time the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, they had four Einsatzgruppen of some 3,000 men each. Their activities were subsequently curtailed because: [1] they became less successful as the populace became aware of their activities and tactics, [2] the SS higher command was concerned about the psychological impact of the mass shootings on the executioners, [3] it was no longer viewed as an efficient method by Heydrich, and most importantly, [4] it was impracticable to use in western Europe, and of very limited potential for executing the numbers of Jews projected for the Final Solution by the RSHA.

Considering the vast body of literature on the subject, I am constrained to wonder how this is considered a new discovery.

25 posted on 02/01/2009 1:53:52 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: padre35
The term ‘final solution’ predates the Wansee Conference by at least five months. It appears in the written order Goering gave Heydrich in July, 1941 ordering the latter to implement a coordinated all encompassing solution to the Nazis perceived ‘Jewish problem’. Since the Einsatzgruppen had already moved into the western Soviet Union before that date, it would appear a verbal order had been issued earlier. Himmler alluded, in conversations with underlings, that Hitler had given him such an order.

The Wansee conference was originally scheduled for December, 1941, but Pearl Harbor, and Hitler's declaration of war on the U.S [Dec. 11th] postponed it to January, 1942.

26 posted on 02/01/2009 1:59:54 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: blackminorca

The general outline that is in my mind is that the Nazis were cheered when they invaded, the Soviets were hated, but the Nazis became hated even more “but” there were Ukrainian German Army Units, and Units from the Baltics as well.

the NKVD (though I think it went by a different name back then) did the food confiscations and scourging cities and villages during the massive Soviet induced famines in the 30’s.

Ukrainians IIRC formed the bulk of the anti Revolutionary Forces in the 1918-1922 period and the Russians always hated them afterwards.


27 posted on 02/01/2009 2:15:56 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: PzLdr

Thanks, if I recall correctly Goering had been basically demoted from the Luftwaffe command staff at that point but he did design or was key in implementing the policies.

Hitler was known to have said “never reduce anything to paper if it can be avoided” it would not be unreasonable to say no policy such as the murder of 6 million Jews, and an equal number of other “undesirables” without his approval and applause.

He made his intentions clear in his book.


28 posted on 02/01/2009 2:18:46 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: padre35
Goering wound up involved with Jewish policy because he was head of the Four Year Plan. It was Goering who made the Jews reimburse the insurance companies after Kristalnacht.

Goering remained C in. C of the Luftwaffe until after April 20, 1945. It was only when he sent Hitler a message while the latter was in the Berlin bunker asking whether, as Hitler's designated successor, he should assume control of the Reich, that Hitler relieved him, and replaced him with Gen. Ritter von Greim.

29 posted on 02/01/2009 2:23:45 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

I would imagine that Hitler’s desire to exterminate the Jews led to the invasion of Russia in 1941. Many Nazis thought it unnecessary or premature, since Stalin was such a cooperative ally. However, the bulk of Europe’s Jews were still out of Hitler’s reach and he could not tolerate that.


30 posted on 02/01/2009 2:29:41 PM PST by iowamark
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To: PzLdr

Effectively demoted PzLdr, after the fiasco over Britain there was no more confidence displayed in him.

The mosquito, built from wood was a particular sore spot..the FolkWolfe twin engine model was meant to compete with it, but was a major dud of an aircraft.

Either way though, it was the pill addicted Goering who was overseer of the policy...AFAIK...never heard who took over for Heydrich after he was killed though.


31 posted on 02/01/2009 2:39:06 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: surplusboy; hinckley buzzard
I thought pretty much everyone knew about the tendency of Nazi special forces being ordered to round up targeted individuals/groups and slaughter them, then disposing of the bodies in mass grave pits.

How many pictures have been posted on FR alone of Jews being shot in front of pits, as a means of protesting proposed gun control measures?

32 posted on 02/01/2009 2:55:42 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Fairness Doctrine isn't about "Fairness" - it's about Doctrine.)
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To: nickcarraway

On the pilgrimage I took to Eastern Europe, we viewed a “killing wall” with the bullet holes still in it. So even at Auschwitz, people were gunned down as well as gassed.


33 posted on 02/01/2009 3:38:17 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: padre35

Ernst Kaltenbrunner, an Austrian. Hanged at Nurenburg.


34 posted on 02/01/2009 8:28:41 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: ClearCase_guy
There is a big difference between expanding what is known about the actions of the Einsatzgruppen and (apparently) acting like the whole topic is new discovery.

Well, it could be that this WAS the first time this reporter had ever heard about these events.

35 posted on 02/01/2009 10:39:21 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: nickcarraway
The Holocaust by Bullets was this times 2 million. Barack Hussein's Islamist buddies would do this in a heartbeat, if they could.


36 posted on 02/02/2009 12:20:20 AM PST by FormerACLUmember
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