Posted on 02/12/2009 11:05:42 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
Abraham Lincoln ...
Great president 46.6% Greatest president 53.4%
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Some people were under no misconceptions from the beginning.
"Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes." - George Washington, 1796
I take second place to nobody in my respect and admiration of Abraham Lincoln. But I’ll also be the first to state that Lincoln takes second place to George Washington. Washington invented the office of the President, and without him as number one then I doubt we would ever have been around long enough for number 16.
Excellent video posted on youtube by the SouthernAvenger yesterday. Being Honest About Abe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NMJKeg4qBQ
greatest president? nah, i’ll cast my vote for william henry harrison. he only spent 30 days in office. not enough time to screw up anything.
Grover Cleveland has always been my favorite, but Washington should be considered the greatest.
I agree with you, WHH was the greatest! ;)
The condemnation of railroad subsidies would have been more complete had the speaker admitted that many of the Confederate champions of limited government begged earlier for government aid for their hoped-for Southern railroad route.
It was interesting to see GW Bush and the Iraq war being linked to a Lincoln-inspired American empire of a powerful imperial government making war to further politically potent business interests when some would say the southern-promoted Mexican War was the true genesis of this. And the video totally misses the cornerstone of the Confederacy being a regime that supported the narrow interest of those who got rich by owning human beings and the aggressive spread of this institution.
And with all anti-Lincoln attacks they assume the Confederacy to be a united realm of devotees of liberty. That's like saying 1930s Germany would have been a great place for Jews had Hitler been a nice guy.
But I salute the producer for his talent in making a nice video presentation of a very incomplete and shaky argument. DiLorenzo and Lew Rockwell would be proud.
A poor President: Freed the slaves, started the Union on the road to socialism/central government controll.
I believe you have your presidents mixed up. Franklin Roosevelt did not free the slaves.
Nope. Lincoln freed the slaves: GOOD, put us on the Road to bigger gov: BAD..!
How so?
The term “Truther” is used to discourage debate. Just like the words, “conspiracy,” “isolationist” and “protectionist.” I don’t fall for those cowardly debate tactics, though.
Did you watch the demolition footage? It’s very short.
As for the Loose Change video - I came late to the “truther” movement even though I believe that FDR used Pearl Harbor as bait to get the US into WW2 and I’ve also read, “The Third Terrorist” by Jayna Davis. So, I should have been a truther from the get-go. I finally sought it out after listening to the Tom Martino show out here in Colorado. His show isn’t ordinarily political, but one day he played an interview with Dr. Stephen Jones, a BYU physicist in which he discussed the presence of “thermite.”
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I’m sorry, I thought “truther” was an accepted word within the movement.
Personally, I prefer: lunatic, lacking critical thinking faculties, nut, delusional, paranoid schizophrenic, people suffering from a bad case of Cognitive Dissonance, and people too stupid to waste valuable oxygen.
I think you’re on the wrong forum promoting “Loose Change” here, you’re an embarrassment.
I would also add James Madison to the list of great men who didn't make particularly great presidents.
How about listing three or four?
War was the remedy that the South chose.
Washington was the greatest without a doubt. He was the father of our country, not only for winning the revolutionary war, but also for giving us the Constitution. How? It was Washington who, when he had problems with the Confederation, called several Virginian politicians to a meeting at Mt. Vernon. They discussed the problems with the Confederation and decided that changes had to be made.
Virginia called for a meeting of delegates from the 13 states in West Point to make changes in the Articles of Confederation. Some of the Northern states didn’t send delegates to West Point, claiming that the distance was too much for them to travel. Because of this the West Point meeting failed to accomplish much, except that they decided that the Confederation had to be dissolved, and a new government formed.
When the Constitutional Convention convened in Philadelphia, Washington was elected President of the convention. From this position he molded a new form of government (with Ben Franklin as spokesperson). There were compromises, of course, but the end product was in a very real sense Washington’s government. Thus it was a no-brainer to select him as its first president.
Easy tough guy...kind of brave while behind your keyboard over there.
Where I have seen this debate tactic before? Go play with your poodle, coward.
Lincoln ushered in a prolonged era of Federalism
and we can see where that has taken us today .
No other U.S. President went to such lengths
to reach out and so utterly crush another segment
of the American people ,as did Old Abe.
No other single enemy has had the blood of so many
Americans on his hands , Union and CSA .
Not the Nazi , not the Imperial Japanese , not the
Soviets , not commies of any ilk , not the Jihadists
Only Abe Lincoln can lay claim to that fact .
I see his shrine in D.C. as dripping with Southern blood.
Sorry , no one can ever change that perception .
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