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Extinct Ibex Clone Dies at Birth
ICR ^ | February 14, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 02/14/2009 7:52:25 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: Toddsterpatriot

Some call this an accident, lucky, and random occurance.

41 posted on 02/14/2009 2:50:01 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

[[Fewer chromosomes? Fewer genes? Fewer fingers?]]

This could result yes, from mutational mistakes which corrupt the genome, or the results may be far less dramatic and affect only minor systems, but the fact that corruption does take place, and can be verified to have benen increasing over time strongly suggests, once again, that species were created with pure genomes, and that after hte fall, were susceptible to corruption- just as God implied would happen IF we chose to eat the fruit- the genome has been ‘deteriorating’ ever since- thankfully htough God PREDESIGNED the genome to be able to handle stresses and mistakes to a certain degree, and htankfully, God has enabled scientists to be able to have hte wisdom and knowledge necessary to study and thrawt some mistakes, some of which are quite severe.

Good night-


42 posted on 02/14/2009 2:50:19 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
which is exactly what the Mitochondrial EVE project found when they traced genetic material back to our supposed ‘mothers’- interestingly enough, the closer we got to our own time, the more corrupted via mutaitons results the genetics became

I'm really going to have to ask you for a source on that one. I've tried searching for backup for that claim, but everything I can find makes me think you misunderstood something you read.

43 posted on 02/14/2009 3:27:34 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: CottShop
but hte pure genetic material is one with no mutation caused mistakes

We have more "mistakes" than humans 1000 years ago? What bad things did these "mistakes" do to us?

44 posted on 02/14/2009 5:03:33 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Protectionists, still bad at math.....)
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To: CottShop
but the fact that corruption does take place, and can be verified

You have a peer reviewed source for this claim?

just as God implied would happen IF we chose to eat the fruit

Animals didn't eat any fruit, why would their genome decay?

45 posted on 02/14/2009 5:06:41 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Protectionists, still bad at math.....)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

bye bye kid- your ‘questions’ have become increasingly assinine- go back to DC and play yourl ittle games- done wasting time on you


46 posted on 02/14/2009 7:55:48 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

You’ll find it- keep looking- the further back they went, the less mutaitons they found


47 posted on 02/14/2009 8:09:56 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Thanks for proving your scientific ignorance.


48 posted on 02/14/2009 9:02:20 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Protectionists, still bad at math.....)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

“Would spell check kill you? LOL!”

Yes, because it would stop me fepm intentionally pissing you off!


49 posted on 02/14/2009 9:11:43 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Old Professer

The next i-Bex will have a touch screen and GPS locator.


50 posted on 02/14/2009 9:13:56 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Yep- you’ve rebutalled the points well- great job- oh wait- no you didn’t- every point brought up you simply ingored in this and hte other htread you posted in- I’d say well done, but it woudl be nothign more than a sarcastic lie on my part- Care to address any of hte points? Or do you still want to just sit back and hurl one assinine ‘quesiton’ after another out htere? How about starting with a simpel one- How about startign with the similarity of nylon to protiens bacteria fed on previously since it shoots down the ‘nylon wasn’t invented until recently’ argument? How about also demonstrating how a bacteria can evolve in just 9 days without any preinstructions inplace directing it? Here’s a couple of hints, it’s microevolution- somethign we KNOW to be fact, and the similar structures of protiens and nylon makeup didn’t require much in the way of microadaption- but let’s see you make hte case for macroeovlution in just 9 days. I’ll wait.


51 posted on 02/14/2009 9:14:05 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: dalereed

that’s not why i don’t- one i’m too lazy- 2 the vast number of silly points brought up involve my searchign hte internet for long periods, plus writing many posts, plus searchign htrough artilces- I’m not goign to stop and take hte time- Sorry if it ‘pisses you off’- but it would piss me off more to take even more time by spell checking- I only have limitted amounts of time each day-


52 posted on 02/14/2009 9:16:43 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

[[Thanks for proving your scientific ignorance.]]

Says the handwaving dismisser who conflates invasion with macroevolutionary evidence.


53 posted on 02/14/2009 9:21:14 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
but it would piss me off more to take even more time by spell checking

This website evolved a spell button, just under your tagline. Even those precoded for ignorance can use it. LOL!

54 posted on 02/15/2009 6:59:56 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Protectionists, still bad at math.....)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; CottShop

FReepers 65 and older are exempt from spelling disagreements


55 posted on 02/15/2009 7:06:53 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: bert

Especially if their age and IQ are the same.


56 posted on 02/15/2009 7:09:15 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Protectionists, still bad at math.....)
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To: bert

Meh- let him hurl his little childish insults- He’s just proving he isn’t interested in anythign but insulting Creationists


57 posted on 02/15/2009 8:59:07 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

How old are you todd? You act like a child- when the evidence gets too tough- you resort to childish insults? How ya doing with Nylonase problem? Turns out the bacteria could only ‘digest’ 2%, and by gosh by golly, that 2% that is digested is JUST LIKE their previous food sources structure-wise- woopsie Seems they aren’t ‘digesting nylon’ after all but only that part of hte structure that they were previously able to digest in protiens- Seems hte precoding was there after all, and al l it took was a frameshift to reactivate the ability to digest somethign they HAD digested i nthe past- TO simply said “They now have the ability to digest nylon- somethign that didn’t exist i nthe past” and made it sound liek the bacteria were digesting the whole nylon- seems TO can’t be relied on for ALL the FACTS and that htey HIDE these facts fro mthe public because it is detrimental to their petty anti-Creationists claims. Seems AIG was more right than TO said- once again. Wil lwe see a retraction andapology from TO? Not likely, they’d as soon poke htier own eyes out than admit anything.


58 posted on 02/15/2009 9:08:16 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: bert

Here- I’ll help you out since it seems you’ve once again run away fro mthe situaiton:

Turns out that not even those studying the nylonase issue agree it didn’t infact come from preexisting info (Yet Talkorigins somehow knows better than the researchers I guess):

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/280/47/39644 is also by Negoro and says “we conclude that the nylon oligomer hydrolase utilizes nucleophilic Ser112 as a common active site both for nylon oligomer- hydrolytic and esterolytic activities. However, it requires at least two additional amino acid residues (Asp181 and Asn266) specific for nylon oligomer-hydrolytic activity. Here, we propose that amino acid replacements in the catalytic cleft of a preexisting esterase with the {beta}-lactamase fold resulted in the evolution of the nylon oligomer hydrolase.” They conclude “the nylon oligomer-degrading enzyme (EII)is considered to have evolved from preexisting esterases with {beta}-lactamase folds.”

Whip out you insult book- you’re goign to need it apparently- Ther’e a saying that when the going gets tough, and oyu’ve got no ammo- the only recourse is to resort to name calling and childish taunts- You’ve portrayed this process to a T.


59 posted on 02/15/2009 10:03:25 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
How ya doing with Nylonase problem? Turns out the bacteria could only ‘digest’ 2%, and by gosh by golly, that 2% that is digested is JUST LIKE their previous food sources structure-wise-

Please point to which 2% they digest. Thanks.

60 posted on 02/15/2009 10:15:20 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Protectionists, still bad at math.....)
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