Coulda fooled me:
Posted on 02/16/2009 7:15:08 PM PST by lonestar67
President/ Score/ rank 2009/rank 2000
Abraham Lincoln 902 1 1 George Washington 854 2 3 Franklin D. Roosevelt 837 3 2 Theodore Roosevelt 781 4 4 Harry S. Truman 708 5 5 John F. Kennedy 701 6 8 Thomas Jefferson 698 7 7 Dwight D. Eisenhower 689 8 9 Woodrow Wilson 683 9 6 Ronald Reagan 671 10 11
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My vote for the Most Overlooked Presidency goes to.....................(wait for it, cue drum roll).........James Knox Polk.
Seriously, check out his accomplishments, and his AMAZING life story.
You missed the biggies. Bush II put the Gulf States and China firmly in our corner and away from Russia. Our kids are sort of paying for the stimulus bill, but it’d be pure inflation if it wasn’t for the Gulf States and China sending back our money for treasury bills. Honestly, if everything goes to h in a handbasket, what are those going to be worth? Bush created a sort of implacable symbiosis between the USA, China, India and the Gulf States.
Coulda fooled me:
You're joking, right??
WE ARE pwned by China who steals U.S. technology while undermining our economy with slave-labor; The Muslim Gulf States will ALWAYS despise and reject "The Great Satan" despite the $1 trillion dollar bill and blood sacrifice to "Democratize" a Muslim Iraq which will inevitably revert to Sharia Law; And India (who is stealing high-tech jobs away from more Americans every day) is an inch away from blowing Pakistan off the face of the map.
Your "symbiosis" is a ticking Time-Bomb.
Obama’s gonna have that bottom spot, Mr. Carter is loving this guy.
With that statement I strongly concur.
On FDR. I had been fed for years with the greatness of FDR. This has merit if living in England during the war years. I had recomended here on FR a book, "The New Dealers War". It is a conflict of emotion for me, since America saved our hides in WW2. Yet he had flaws.
Tragically, he was pushed into office when he was very ill. Putty in the hands of Stalin, who knew from the traitors in Washington, what was happening in "secret". Knew what cards FDR had in his hand. Needs re evaluation. Did the betrayal of Poland and others in Eastern Europe to the Ruskies, seriously deflate his great reputation?
Then there is last but one, Andrew Johnson of Tennessee, Lincoln's successor. The raw courage of the man, daring to virtually stand alone against the radicals, stamps him as one of the top ten.
(Imho) with nervous chuckle.
True. Lincoln literally treated the Constitution like... "just a G-D@mn piece of paper" and blatantly violated States' rights to secede.
"With that statement I strongly concur."
In which Solar System??
Kennedy gets high marks for cuban missile crisis. He stepped up. One can snipe about this or that but I can at least understand the rationale. I wouldn’t rate him as high as they did and it would certainly be well below Reagan. gerald Ford gets a fairly high score which makes zero sense. W should be in the middle somewhere but down the list because his accomplishments were limited to foreign and even that was controversial and he had ridiculously low approvals and ticked everyone off.
Thanks. Oh, and by the way, I did that on purpose to see if someone would catch my "mistake." :-)
I totally and strongly disagree with your assessment of GW Bush.
He did not admit the evidence for iraq war were BS.
He did remove from power one of the worst and most viscious global statists— Saddam Hussein.
He did not leave the border WIDE open. He built more border fence than any other President.
Reagan— who is adored by “conservatives” did far more to encourage illegal immigration and laid the cornerstones to the present illegal immigration problems. Paleo Conservatives back stabbed W.
Like Santorum, Toomey was not going to win in Penn. Get over it. How about Murtha winning in Penn? Penn is messed up— that is not W’s fault.
President Bush did not lie about nation building. He made the right decision to change course when the situation changed. Neo isolationsim dramatically failed us on 911 and 3000 Americans died because of it. Its time to label your arguments for what they are— naieve. We looked the other way since Vietnam as Liberal and Conservative reactionaries promised us that if we left the world alone they would leave us alone. Those claims were utterly immoral and false. President Bush had the wisdom to reverse course and attack the Islamofascists on their home turfs. He engaged the continent of AFrica and reversed an Islamic tide that would today confront us with tens of millions more joining the Al Qaeda ranks.
Bush won re-election in 2004 which completely disproves all of your arguments. Republicans in Congress bear the blame for your intellectually lazy positions which seek to impose non constitutional demands on the President. Nixon— who was a good President in my book— did far more damage to potentially ensuring permanent social damage to America. Despite that far worse set back Reagan and Bush sr. triumphed and worked to repeal much of the socialist nonsense.
I am not kidding myself any longer. The paleo con positions outlined by you are most certainly what brought the Dem congress in 2006 and Obama in 2008.
Your false arguments did this.
Your statements were put solidly and with fervour. Unlike those lefties. Somehow I know that many people have damned him for what appears to be the ascendancy of Barack Obama.
I wish to think the best of this man. Perhaps if what he did internationally works out and one day these primitive societies become somewhat democratic, this will be his legacy.
I still like W.
I'm sorry, but you've been bamboozled by historical revisionism.
JFK got caught with his pants down and panicked...
His "negotiations" traded Soviet missiles in Cuba (which Khrushchev himself claimed were just "bait" in any case) for the U.S. removing missiles in Turkey. Kennedy fell for it...
Oh - and then there was the Bay of Pigs incident of which JFK abandoned a plan to support anti-Castro Cuban forces at the twelfth hour leaving them high & dry and slaughtered.
Kennedy is most remembered for glib press conferences, his kids, his glamorous wife, and superficial style over substance speeches like, ""Ich bin ein Berliner" and "Ask not what you country can do for you...blah, blah, blah."
As a former employee of a Bay of Pigs Veteran, may JFK rot in hell.
NEVER forget:
He wanted to know what Kennedy had done to warrant being highly ranked. I said he was young and popular implying that those are also criteria for determining a president’s rank. It isn’t my fault (many) people are vain and that they base their judgments on looks and impressions rather than achievements.
Stupid liberal historians rate President.
Simple rule:
FDR was a worse president than Coolidge.
If they have FDR above Coolidge, they are way out of line.
Abe Lincoln should have hung Lee and Davis, in public, in broad daylight.
Amazing choice.
Agree with the observation on FDR. He a living corpse the last few years, buoyed up now by democrat/liberal historians who worship his errors and (deliberate ?) long-term policies that are now ruining us.
What has Ulyses S. Grant done in the last nine years to jump from 33rd to 23rd?
Well, that’s true: JFK did literally get caught with his pants down ....
Several times, apparently.
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