Posted on 02/17/2009 11:36:00 AM PST by dascallie
Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu: Christians are regarded as 'mad' by 7:22PM GMT 17 Feb 2009
Churchgoers are now "counter-cultural" because their values are so opposed to prevailing behaviour, claimed Dr Sentamu.
But he insisted that faith cannot be separated from the world of work, and that staff should not be expected to give up their religious convictions when they walk into the office.
His comments come amid growing concern about the marginalisation of Christianity in public life.
Labour MPs want to sever the historic link between Church and state, which would end the right of bishops to sit in the House of Lords and remove the right of all residents to be married, baptised or buried by a parish priest.
Meanwhile public sector workers now risk being sacked if they talk about religion in the workplace, under "equality and diversity" rules.
New NHS guidelines state that doctors and nurses face harassment charges if they are accused of "preaching" to colleagues or patients, while a draft code of practice for teachers could be used by schools to discipline those who discuss their beliefs with pupils.
Caroline Petrie, a community nurse who is a devout Baptist, was suspended without pay for two months after she offered to pray for an elderly patient.
Jennie Cain remains off work from her job as a primary school receptionist for sending a private email asking for spiritual support from her friends, after her five-year-old daughter was scolded for talking about Hell to another girl.
A Christian registrar lost her job for refusing to take part in civil partnership ceremonies while a relationship counsellor was sacked after he refused to give therapy to homosexual couples. Both have been unsuccessful in their claims for unfair dismissal.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Also think about this. Amish are the way they are because they don’t want to live in a modern world with modern conveniences. But then, when they decided that, kerosene and whatever inventions of the time (mid-1800) were the modern equivalent of what we have today and they use that as their base ... so in a way, isn’t that hypocritical???
They'll have to come find me in the Philippines, get past my booby traps, kill my guard dogs, and be able to dodge my crossbow arrows first.
After that, It won't matter to me because I'll be dead.
Let me try again. Perhaps we really do not have sufficiently shared vocabulary.
I find it
INCREDIBLY HORRIFIC
as in . . . HORIFFIC TO THE MAX
as in . . . maximally horrific
as in . . . virtually beyond conventionally conceivable
as in . . . horrifically beyond reasonably normal reality
. . .
that in this “Christian” nation the Oligarchy was able to get us to this dreadful state in such a short time where
—so many even so-called “Christians” would vote in an illegible demonized imposter stooge of the Oligarchy hell-bent to rush in the overt global government and exterminate authentic Christians . . .
—so many Americans would be sooooooo brain dead about the MSM and other crucial realities and values . . .
—so many complicit Congress critters are so bought, threatened, gahgah brain-dead worshipful of the Oligarchy’s stooges and goals . . .
—so many even Conservative Freeper Christians are STILL sooooo out to lunch about the basic realities of this incredibly horrific state of affairs . . .
—so many even Conservative Freeper Christians are still ignorant of the statements of our leaders from 1900 on, ref’d in my tagline:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81
—so many even Conservative Freeper Christians still consider such FACTS to be “conspiracy theory” when there’s no theory to it. It’s been proven repeatedly in piles of documents and videos of the guilty in their own words and publications. Kissenger’s recent assertions about OThuga being the one to carry us into the NWO being merely the latest brazenness. Carter’s Brezenski and the Rockefellers have been candid enough about such for decades.
—so many poorly informed and out-right uninformed even FREEPERS still think that the Bible is lying and that we’ll be able to telephone, fax, march our way into some victorious awakening rescuing us from these horrific scheduled destructions & enslavements by the Oligarchy.
—That tooooooo many conservatives and “Christians” are tuning up the band for the final concert before the water reaches the saxaphones.
I believe God intends for our Republic to endure.
I believe He will also insure that we are severely disciplined for the failure of the even Authentic Christians to prevent such by prayers and righteous living and informed voting . . . by allowing infanticide, homosexual ‘marriage’ and ‘rights,’ . . . horrific corruption at high levels . . . abuses of power of huge proportions . . . and that’s just the past . . . not to mention what’s far worse and in the script and schedule.
. . .
/rant
I think this belief comes from someone who grows in their philosophy without growing in their theology. When children grow up in the church, they are given an incomplete theology that is meant to be deepened as they get older. The problem is, that in many churches, this is never deepened. People come away as adults only remembering elementary Sunday school lessons about theology that glossed over the harsher realities about God's nature and the state of the spiritual realm deemed too complex or not fit for the under-10 crowd.
Theres going to be a lot of bloodletting before this conflict between militaristic hedonism and cautious responsibility ends.
It seems like Islam is going to be the one that takes over after the materialistic hedonists are done wrecking society. After all the effort spent on crushing Christianity, they will realize that Islam was the real threat all along. It is a good point that there is a strong irrational anti-Christian (and Jewish) vein in the so-called rationalist school of belief. And that vein is made even more stark by the welcoming acceptance other more hostile religions are given. Such an action does lead one to believe that there is something exclusively true about the Jewish and Christian religions.
That day means the day when Jesus’s return is imminent, the start of End Times.
Jesus told us that we would see the signs He gave us, similar to when the seasons change. He said we would be able to see the start of end times (which I think we are in). I also believe that Christians will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air.
The Tribulation will be horrible for those left on earth, like these deluded people.
I don’t know if they follow this line of thinking or not . . . I’ve read that some folks think electricity is a satanic substitute for Holy Spirit.
Kerosene is probably seen as a fairly natural element for use like wax in candles.
I really don’t know, however.
Incredible: (adj) 1. so extraordinary as to seem impossible: incredible speed.
I certainly think we are in the birth pangs of the GREAT TRIBULATION ERA.
RIGHT.
which I ASSumed you already were well aware of as my meaning and were merely being tweakily obtuse for unknown reasons.
Glad you tuned-in to the meaning I was/am using.
On electricity - so some people think it's satanic? Do they live in shacks or something? Communes?
I never thought I would understand or appreciate the book of Job. I now hold it very dear. Amazing what age will do to you. Job is much too neglected these days. It has hugely important lessons.
Wonderfully constructed (with hand tools) homes.
They will likely be better able to live through some coming changes.
There’s reports . . . admittedly somewhat fringe . . . stuff . . . that the government knows there will be long periods where there’s no electricity—perhaps years . . . and have begun training specially selected genetically predispositioned military personnel to receive communciations “telepathically” from “ET’s.”
Certainly folks should have some lithium batteries and some special radio’s, hand crank variety etc. wrapped in a few layers of aluminum foil to survive the EMP stuff likely . . . first layer should be cloth or paper towels thick enough to avoid sparks to the antenna from the foil, imho.
Some electronic tecs can correct me where wrong.
I have emergency stuff on hand to grab and run but not to survive for several years ... but then, maybe I should look into that .... :)
Agreed, I assumed materialistic when using the term, what we see now is an open militarism in their approach, attacks rather than clandestine forays...
You might be interested in these threads:
Home gardening offers ways to trim grocery costs [Survival Today, an on going thread]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1990507/posts
Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2181392/posts
That is pretty explicit in the Bible.
Yes.
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