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Revelation, Speculation, and Science
AiG ^ | February 18, 2009 | Dr. Greg Bahnsen

Posted on 02/18/2009 9:17:16 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Revelation, Speculation, and Science

by Dr. Greg Bahnsen

February 18, 2009

It is one of those embarrassing historical ironies that modern science could not have arisen except in the atmosphere of a Christian world-and-life view. Nevertheless, the scientific community today persists in playing the prodigal by assuming an antagonistic stance against the Christianity of divine revelation. Hypnotized by Darwin’s evolutionary scheme and enchanted with the products of scientific technology, modern man has granted science a secularized godship and bows before it in fetish idolatry.

The pitting of science against revelation is certainly odd. For, a certain state of affairs is needed for the scientific endeavor to be meaningful or fruitful. The scientist must believe that the state of affairs is conducive to science, or he would not venture into the scientific enterprise. He must believe that there is a world of things and processes that can be known and that he himself sustains a relationship to this world that allows him to know these objects and events. But then, what reason can the scientist give for his belief that the state of affairs is actually conducive to science? Why is the world such as it is and not otherwise?

The Predicament for Science...

(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...


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To: tpanther
No, you’re just full of projections.

You're quite wrong, as these words have been directed toward me on several threads. Ad hominem attacks seem to be the highest form of intellectual argument that the rabid Young-Earth Creationists are capable of.

Please note how I differentiate rabid Young-Earth creationists from ordinary Christians who believe in a young earth.


41 posted on 02/18/2009 6:12:16 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: tpanther
==I don't know about that

What else do you call Christians who ridicule and disavow their fellow Christians in order to ingraciate themselves with Temple of Darwin atheists? From Richard Darwkins:

Although at times Richard Dawkins has applauded, and appealed to, Christian leaders for their opposition to creationist beliefs, elsewhere he has ridiculed them for believing in evolution. For example, he said:

“Oh but of course the story of Adam and Eve was only ever symbolic, wasn’t it? Symbolic?! Jesus had himself tortured and executed for a symbolic sin by a non-existent individual. Nobody not brought up in the faith could reach any verdict other than barking mad!”2

And he went on to say:

“It seems to me an odd proposition that we should adhere to some parts of the Bible story but not to others. After all, when it comes to important moral questions, by what standards do we cherry-pick the Bible? Why bother with the Bible at all if we have the ability to pick and choose from it, what is right and what is wrong?”

42 posted on 02/18/2009 6:17:40 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: tpanther

See what I mean. They play the wounded Christian while at the same time stabbing you in the back. Hugh Ross and non-RTB have perfected this duplicitous and hypocritical tactic into a fine art.


43 posted on 02/18/2009 6:23:31 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; YHAOS; Fichori; tpanther; valkyry1; Mr. Silverback; Ethan Clive Osgoode; betty boop; ..

Looks like you hit a nerve with this one.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen them hijack a thread so fast in my years on FR.


44 posted on 02/18/2009 6:27:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The evo gang here are surely not scientists, so this shouldn’t phase them at all...


45 posted on 02/18/2009 6:31:01 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Buck W.
"Evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible."

In the minds of lunatics!

46 posted on 02/18/2009 6:33:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Buck W.; GodGunsGuts
"Do you have the secret passwords?"

Tubular Cane! (or something like that)

47 posted on 02/18/2009 6:36:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: metmom

There is nothing they hate worse then Christians educating Christians about the assault on their faith by Darwinist wolves in sheeps clothing.


48 posted on 02/18/2009 6:37:33 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor

Amen to that brother!


49 posted on 02/18/2009 6:38:39 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Buck W.; DallasMike
"Where was my head at?"

That's something that we've been wondering since you showed up here spinning in a daze.

50 posted on 02/18/2009 6:40:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: DallasMike
"For what it's worth, I am a conservative, committed Christian who believes the entire Bible."

Except for the 100 + places where it says that evolution didn't happen, and the places where the Lord himself confirms the six day creation. Other than that, and most of the Bible, you're good to go.

51 posted on 02/18/2009 6:44:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: js1138

Terry Cook has a collection of mammoth femurs that are fully mineral, along with tusks, and petrified wood, all from the same excavation in the former Parachini Ranch, along Hillcrest Avenue in Antioch.


52 posted on 02/18/2009 6:50:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Buck W.
"It’s even more interesting that there seems to be a belief that mineralization can occur over the span of just a few years"

The "Limestone Cowboy" exhibit of a cowboy boot manufactured in 1949 or 1950, filled with a fully fossilized foot and lower leg, has been viewed by close to 100,000 visitors, and examined by paleontologists and chemists. Do you attempt to hand wave that also?

53 posted on 02/18/2009 6:57:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: metmom

Looks like you hit a nerve with this one.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen them hijack a thread so fast in my years on FR.

Nope, no nerve hit. Just a lot of Freepers who are tired of the endless spam from certain people promoting really, really bad pseudo-scientific articles that make Christians look like fools.

54 posted on 02/18/2009 6:59:59 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike; js1138; steve-b
"Thanks, I like that quote. It can never be repeated enough on threads like these."

Yes, because Augustine was directly refering to "old Earthers" when he penned that. He detested their willful ignorance.

55 posted on 02/18/2009 7:03:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

No, he wasn’t. He was referring to those who upheld the steady-state model of the uncreated universe, which denied the necessity of a Creator.


56 posted on 02/18/2009 7:11:33 PM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Buck W.
The "Limestone Cowboy" exhibit of a cowboy boot manufactured in 1949 or 1950, filled with a fully fossilized foot and lower leg, has been viewed by close to 100,000 visitors, and examined by paleontologists and chemists. Do you attempt to hand wave that also?

Um, I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the Limestone Cowboy bandwagon. It is lame at best and another Young-Earth Creationist dirty trick at worst.. Look at the picture -- do they look like human bones? It's obvious from looking at them that they're not even fossilized.

I live less than 90 minutes from the dinosaur tracks at Glen Rose and I saw the boot 10 years or so ago. I was unimpressed. The "creationist museum" there is a joke. I don't know if they even still exhibit the boot.


57 posted on 02/18/2009 7:15:24 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike; metmom
" Just a lot of Freepers who are tired of the endless spam from certain people promoting really, really bad pseudo-scientific articles that make Christians look like fools."

Yes, we are tired of you and your dishonest ilk. Attempting to twist the words of Augustine 180 degrees in reverse shows your character in limelight, but evolution doesn't even rise to the level of psuedo-science; its pure religion.

58 posted on 02/18/2009 7:18:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
Terry Cook has a collection of mammoth femurs that are fully mineral, along with tusks, and petrified wood, all from the same excavation in the former Parachini Ranch, along Hillcrest Avenue in Antioch.

Now all you need is a cache of fully intact, unmineralized dinosaur bones, and perhaps some unmineralized trilobites, and you'll have something.

Rapid mineralization isn't the problem. It's the total pattern.

59 posted on 02/18/2009 7:19:06 PM PST by js1138
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To: DallasMike

I’ve been to the Glen Rose “museum” as well—”side show” is a better description of the place.


60 posted on 02/18/2009 7:20:22 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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