Posted on 02/26/2009 5:43:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind
I'm not sure, but a few weeks back IBM told some people if they want to keep their jobs, move to India willing to work on local terms and conditions. Thats it in a nutshell. One H1-B is one too many. They are not just displacing workers, but the alternative is to move to the old crap-hole the H1-B just vacated.
Someone should outsource all the publisher/editor/journalists of Forbes.
Who decides? Or to put it another way, who is the decider?
When 5 million people are on unemployment, it's a no-brainer that we don't need more workers coming to this country for now.
And so we should force the commpanies to hire UNQUALIFIED workers instead of qualified foreign ones, right?
Atlas gets restless with such things.
...and then trying to market here. The problem is threefold; the globalization of the corporation, the globalization of the financial system, and the globalization of labor. Cut one leg from under the stool and it will topple. And, if we lose IT jobs, well, aren’t these writers the same who always remind us we no longer make buggy whips?
So, working for employees, too...
"lots of" means the price goes down. But I bet many are not willing to take a salary cut to match what the supply/demand says.
So protectionists try to pretend it's not real.
Let them not hire. You don’t think this program is unsubsidized, do you?
We have borders for good reasons; not all neighbors are friendly.
That's the market.
My company has instituted a hiring freeze. Other companies are cutting salaries.
Your schtick is getting very stale. You should allow some reality to occasionally intrude into your views.
Well, let's make sure that most Americans end up living a third-world existence. After all, there is a huge pool of labor out there that exists on a few dollars a day, so that's really all a lot of Americans should be paid.
That's the ultimate endgame for your approach. Fortunately, Americans are realizing that there is more to having a country than allowing free market types to destroy it.
There are plenty of qualified American workers. Companies would rather import cheaper workers or hire illegal ones.
Now, look at neighborhoods where illegals live in large numbers. Why don't you show your commitment to free labor markets by moving to a house in one of those neighborhoods? I'm sure you won't mind the cars parked in the yards, the outdoor partying and urination and the crowding.
What passes as “free trade” today is a joke anyway. True free trade doesn’t require the WTO setting rules regulations, requirements, and quotas. True free trade doesn’t require set in stone trade agreements.
Real free trade is what we had prior to NAFTA when we could make or break deals according to our needs and who could give us the best deal.
Actually, the author's real problem is his complete idiocy with respect to the differences between the business and the country. An H1-B visa is a legal device for a worker to gain entry to the country. The business is free to hire the same individual absent the visa, but that individual would have to be based offshore.
The author also seems to believe that "globalization" is something more than a method by which the business owners are trying to make more money.
Can you tell I disagree vehemently with the author?
If there is a labor shortage in skill A, then having skill A becomes very lucrative. More US citizens see that and get skill A. It takes time but it balances out. It’s called supply and demand. The import of H1-b’s short circuits that. People are humans - not widgets or commodities. To people like Gondring, we are just economic units.
“All labor markets in truly free societies are local”
Have some facts that support that? Otherwise that is a very large unsupported assertion. In fact, globalization has been going on for a VERY long time. Learn some history and you’ll trip to that fact. Here’s one hint “silk road.” See also “1492.”
The tech companies are using the H-1B workers to replace American workers because the H-1Bs will put up with anything to have residency long enough to get their green card. They want to avoid going back to their home countries at all costs. Of course we have enough qualified American workers to do these jobs. It’s all about the all mighty globalization dollar.
Yes, because they would like to be competitive with companies that set up outside the US and can hire cheaper workers.
Why should an American get paid more for doing the same exact thing as a foreign worker? Why should I subsidize that?
Now, look at neighborhoods where illegals live in large numbers.
Illegals? They are illegal. This is about H-1B visas...you don't see such flouting of the law in that category, do you?
Nobody said free-market means that anyone can ignore all other laws.
Fact is, I am also going through a very difficult job situation wherein the best possible outcome is still not attractive (having to transfer, etc.) But if my employer tried to buck the market, guess what...the next competitor (and two others) are ready to step right in.
People are humans - not widgets or commodities.
I know it upsets people who think that they got a nice cushy job and they shouldn't have to be competitive, but reality is reality, no matter how tightly you close your eyes.
BTW, it's polite to ping someone when you write about him.
Is “the market” ok with illegal immigration? I saw my industry, commercial printing in Southern California, destroyed by illegal immigration over a span of about 15 years. I started as a driver for the company a couple years out of high school and worked my way up to a position in middle management. Who do you think was hired to drive the delivery van and do other entry level jobs in the 90’s? Illegals with bogus papers. Why were they hired? They cost a little less. You think they sat on their ass for 15 years? No, they get promoted, same as anyone else if they do a good job. But each time, it drags down wages a bit.
By 2003, the entire shop floor was Mexican. Wages stagnant in management for 5 years. Company went out of business in 2004. Couldn’t compete with China. The great majority of those jobs, MANUFACTURING jobs, were filled by illegals.
THAT’S the market, not some pie in the sky egalitarian economic theory.
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