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Rachel Maddow, reluctant sex symbol
Salon ^ | Tuesday, Feb. 24, 2009 | Judy Berman

Posted on 03/01/2009 3:46:20 PM PST by presidio9

Why do we -- men and women, gay and straight -- find Rachel Maddow sexy? Daphne Merkin's "Butch Fatale" about the newly minted MSNBC icon, hidden among the overpriced handbag porn and fluffy profiles of last weekend's New York Times T style magazine, is more complicated than it appears.

As Merkin writes, it isn't often that mainstream culture celebrates the attractiveness of butch lesbians. Sure, we admire femmes like Portia de Rossi and Lindsay Lohan. But for the most part, lesbians who wear suits, cut their hair short or otherwise don't conform to traditional standards of beauty -- the Ellen DeGenereses and Rosie O'Donnells of the world -- have to remain culturally neutered in order to participate in public life. Though we find classic representations of gay male beauty in the films of Luchino Visconti and the writings of Oscar Wilde and Thomas Mann, says Merkin, "It's much harder to envision a lesbian icon without coming up against Fran Lebowitz, looking surly and bored."

The problem with lesbian archetypes, according to Merkin, is that "both categories -- butch and femme -- borrow from gender-influenced dichotomies of beauty." And this is where Rachel Maddow, supposedly, is a revelation. "She may not be one of Hefner's Girls Next Door, exactly, but she is no bare-faced, unstylish dyke either, however she chooses to characterize herself," says Merkin, going on to coo over the way Maddow combines a light dusting of makeup with "Poindexter glasses, Jil Sander pantsuits and Converse sneakers" and concludes that "she's willing to prettify her image sufficiently to endear her to male viewers."

Here's where I disagree with Merkin: I don't think Maddow's TV appearance is particularly calculated to attract male viewers. The makeover doesn't seem like a ploy to sex up Maddow; rather, it's a concession to appearing on television, where everyone has to wear makeup and dress like a professional. According to a New York magazine profile, Maddow's partner, Susan Mikula, is responsible for her wearing makeup: "Without it, 'she looked like a dead person,'" Mikula said. And as for the designer suits, it's not as if MSNBC was going to let Maddow -- or Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews, for that matter -- go on the air in a ratty button-down and carpenter jeans. Meanwhile, Maddow makes no effort to hide her casual, butch off-screen appearance, either. In this pre-New Year's video, also for New York magazine, a bare-faced, hoodie-clad Maddow gives a lesson in mixology.

It's true that while the butch-femme dichotomy has already broken down among many younger lesbians -- I'm hard-pressed to categorize any of my mid-20s lesbian friends as either -- Maddow is still a butch in my book (and her own). And besides, I think Merkin misses something major about what makes Maddow sexy: the nerdiness! From the "Poindexter glasses" to the Oxford Ph.D. to her perfectly crafted sarcasm, Maddow is as geek-chic as she is lesbian-chic.

Unlike Merkin, I believe Maddow when she says "she has no interest in the issue of physical appearance -- her own or anyone else's." And as much as I would love her to herald a new age of lesbian beauty, it seems to me that viewers respond more to Maddow's non-physical qualities -- intelligence, charm and, above all, authenticity -- than to her looks. But I'm interested to hear Broadsheet readers' take, too. What do you think makes Rachel Maddow sexy?


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: androgeny; culturewar; downourthroats; homosexualagenda; inourfaces; itspat; liberalnonsense; liberalturnons; megabarfalert; merkin; msnbc; pravdamedia; rachelmaddow; thatsamanbaby
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To: TCats

I’m not positive that any surgery would even be necessary.


101 posted on 03/01/2009 4:31:35 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: babubabu

Oh my gosh, you’re wicked funny! First, It’s Pat! and now that snivelly little David kid. Perfect, both, can’t pick my favorite.


102 posted on 03/01/2009 4:31:51 PM PST by fullchroma (I want my country back.)
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To: presidio9

NOT sexy

period


103 posted on 03/01/2009 4:34:47 PM PST by sten
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To: fullchroma

if her picture were upside down and nude, she would still not be a turn on!!!


104 posted on 03/01/2009 4:36:14 PM PST by terycarl
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To: NavVet; DirtyHarryY2K
You’ve got to be kidding me. I would have to do a Crocodile Dundee just to make sure she’s a chick. I mean that is one ugly lesbian.

Knowing Rachel Maddow, either she or someone who works for her or someone in her audience will probably end up reading this thread. Perhaps one of them could answer a sincere question that I've always had: Do butch lesbians take it as an insult when someone mistakes them for a man? I suspect they wouldn't, because isn't that the look they're going for anyway? I'm serious with this question.

If you really wanted to insult Maddow, wouldn't you say something like "Wow, she really looks like an unattractive chick there. No mustache, belly or anything!"

105 posted on 03/01/2009 4:37:29 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

LOL. I’ll even bet breast reduction would not be required. Certainly takes the old maxim that all of us have a twin somewhere in the world. It usually assumes the ‘Twin’ is the same sex though.


106 posted on 03/01/2009 4:38:53 PM PST by TCats
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I had to drop off this thread and google up some photos of Megyn Kelly and Courtney Friel to "wash out" my eyes.

Mark

107 posted on 03/01/2009 4:38:56 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: presidio9

?????? have the libs gone nuts? (rhetorical)


108 posted on 03/01/2009 4:39:55 PM PST by machogirl (not one of Rush's top-ten gal names)
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To: presidio9
Taylor Hicks kid brother?


109 posted on 03/01/2009 4:40:16 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: AirForceMom
We both won, I was rewarded with a large bottle of rum, hubby got a bayonet, ammo (some for me , some for him) and a cartridge belt. Just so happened the gun show was right next to the casino.

Oh, a gun show.... I was thinking that this was one casino I really want to go to!

Mark

110 posted on 03/01/2009 4:40:54 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

Booze, guns and gambling all under one roof. You might end up running into this guy if you went.

111 posted on 03/01/2009 4:44:29 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

Alternate prom network = MSDNC


112 posted on 03/01/2009 4:47:46 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: presidio9
Booze, guns and gambling all under one roof. You might end up running into this guy if you went.

Hey, some of the best times I ever had (with my clothes on) were had with all three of the above, as long as you keep the order straight...

#1) Gambling & Guns - Bowling Pin Shooting!

#2) Booze - But only after the guns are put away.

Seriously, there's nothing better than going out for BBQ and a beer or two after a long day of shooting, especially a pin match. And neither one of these guys

is invited!

Mark

113 posted on 03/01/2009 4:51:22 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: randog
Looks like a dyke to me.

There's a good reason for that.

114 posted on 03/01/2009 4:53:49 PM PST by SIDENET (I am just a monkey man, I'm glad you are a monkey woman, too.)
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To: MarkL

I quit drinking a few years ago, but I shake my finger at no one, and I still live to shoot and gamble and gamble on shooting. Heck, if it were still leagal, I’d probably shoot the dealer every once in a while.


115 posted on 03/01/2009 4:55:47 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

LOL!


116 posted on 03/01/2009 4:57:50 PM PST by SIDENET (I am just a monkey man, I'm glad you are a monkey woman, too.)
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To: presidio9
DUmpster thread watching this thread.
117 posted on 03/01/2009 4:58:14 PM PST by libh8er
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To: presidio9

Nothing sexy about a lisp-talking dyke.


118 posted on 03/01/2009 5:01:56 PM PST by Riptides
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To: libh8er
DUmpster thread watching this thread.

Of course, they're calling us bigots.

FAGS.

119 posted on 03/01/2009 5:01:57 PM PST by SIDENET (I am just a monkey man, I'm glad you are a monkey woman, too.)
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To: fullchroma

sadly, in my opinion, both bear a striking resemblance to Maddow


120 posted on 03/01/2009 5:06:18 PM PST by babubabu
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