Obama Administration Starts Thaw with Cuba

Sorry. last comment was meant for puppage.

LOL...I hadn’t thought of that angle. With Obama there is always an angle.

I fail to understand why Cuba is singled out ( I don’t like them but come on) while we make China a favored trading partner. China is far more dangerous than Cuba.

Oh, yeah, way to go Bozo. Piss off one of our best allies, Great Britain, and thaw relations with a country that wants to see us dead. Brilliant. At least he is showing his true marxist colors.

You actually equate Cuba and China in terms of the strength of government?

No, I didn't mention China.

Fidel isn't running things anymore, his brother is.

And he is aligned with the older hardliners.

They would not be introduced to a better way of life anymore than all the third world countries or "palestine" have been.

The leaders and/or terrorists get most of the money to oppress the people further.

I hope you are right though, as Obama and his minions are dead set on cozying up to communist countries so when their socialistic programs bring us on par with other communist countries they can consolidate power.

in orfface

What's Barney Frank got to do with this?

As I said, my comment was meant for puppage and not you. As for the other comments, I just think that the US under Bush should have acted to get rid of the communists if at all possible. I do not trust the socialist Odumbo to d it correctly or at all.

I see that now.

You posted that notice to you though, and I didn't see it.

Thanks for the clarification.

I don't expect Present Obama to do anything correctly. So far he's hitting zero on that score. Zero hits zero. Apropos

Very true.

Of course it didn’t work for Kennedy so who knows?

Oh yeah, Kennedy and Cuba. Here's the stuff that doesn't make it to the History Channel about Pres. Kennedy and Cuba:

"Where are the PLANES!" kept crackling over the invasion ships' radios. That was their commander, Pepe San Roman, roaring into his radio from the beachhead between artillery concussions. Soviet Howitzers (HUGE 122 mm ones) were pounding TWO THOUSAND rounds into the desperately embattled men (and boys). "Send planes or we CAN'T LAST!" San Roman yelled while watching the Russian tanks close in and his casualties pile up.

The pleas made it to Navy Chief Admiral Arleigh Burke in Washington D.C. who conveyed them in person to his Commander in Chief.

Kennedy was in a white tux and tails that fateful night of April 18th 1961, having just emerged from an elegant Beltway ball. For the closing act of the glittering occasion Jackie and her charming beau had spun around the dance floor, to the claps, coos and titters of the delighted guests. In the new President's honor the band had struck up the Broadway smash, "Mr Wonderful"

Mr Wonderful's navy chief was trembling when hearing him speak alright--trembling with RAGE!! "Two planes, Mr President!" Burke sputtered into his Commander in Chief's face. The fighting admiral was livid, pleading for permission to allow two of his jets to blaze off the carrier deck and support the desperately embattled Brigade on that heroic beachhead.

"Burke, we can't get involved in this," replied Mr Wonderful.

"WE put those boys there, Mr President!" the fighting admiral exploded. "By God we ARE involved!"'

And the rest is history...

Yes, I lived through that time period, and at the time there was a huge cover up going on about the Bay of Pigs incident as if JFK had nothing to do with it. Later it came out what he had done. It was a despicable act by someone people think was a “great” President.

Why does this sound like something that could happen today? I see so many similarities...image over substances as being at the core of it all. Do not let them know what is really happening.

Why does this sound like something that could happen today? I see so many similarities...image over substances as being at the core of it all. Do not let them know what is really happening.

Because Pres. Obama's thinks Cuba is a resounding success, it's only the mean'ol U.S. government that has kept them down.

FYI

The new Anheuser-Busch InBev has a 45% share of the Cuban market.

With the Cuba embargo, I think that JFK was trying to do something to cover for the fact that Eisenhower had already agreed to help the Cuban rebels overthrow Batista and help establish a democratic government. At the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy didn’t act for reasons we don’t really know.

In the aftermath, particularly after Kennedy was assassinated, it become customary for presidents and Congress to maintain the embargo out of respect for Kennedy’s memory. Is there a reason to continue it today? Beats me. I think we have bigger fish to fry than worry about our relationship with Cuba and it concerns me that Obama believes this should be a high priority effort while this country’s economy continues to plummet into oblivion.

Your point about China is well made and I agree. As a threat to us, Cuba is pretty benign and, IMO, if we were to renew relations with Cuba, it could be a bigger problem for Cuba than us. There would be increasing pressure by the Cubans for government reforms that lead to more freedoms and greater democracy.

Stranger things have happened.

Embagro NYC, LA, San Fran.

They pose a greater threat to the US than Cuba.

Tuesday, September 2, 2008

Meet Fidel Odinga

Yes, his complete name is Fidel Castro Odinga. He is the eldest son of Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga and a first cousin to Barack Hussein Obama. The late Obama Sr. was the prime minister's maternal uncle. Although Obama Sr. was educated at Harvard and Odinga in East Germany, uncle and nephew were friends and political allies.

Today it is Barack Obama and Raila Odinga who have formed a transcontinental political alliance. In fact, Senator Obama, in an unprecedented breech of protocal, went to Kenya in 2006 to campaign on his cousin's behalf in that country's presidential election.

Raila lost the election when a secret pact was revealed with Kenya's Muslim Brotherhood to institute sharia law in all the country's courts in exchange for their support of his candidacy. This is all the more remarkable because it is Christianity (66%), not Islam (10%), which is the largest religion in Kenya, and English common law, not the Koran, which is the basis for its legal system. Or, perhaps, it is not so remarkable, after all, since both the Odingas and Obamas belong to the 10 percent.

Although not an observant Muslim, Odinga does represent Moammar Qaffafy's oil interests in southern Africa, which may better explain his willingness to tranform his non-Muslim country into a Muslim state as Idi Amin did in Uganda when he was the recipient of the colonel's largesse 30 years ago.

Odinga's connection to Barack Obama, however, has proved more useful in his political career than Qadaffy's billions. It was in the expectation of Obama's election as president, and to ingratiate himself to him, that Odinga's political rival offered him the premiership as a consolation prize.

When Prime Minister Odinga named his son "Fidel Castro," he broke with Kenyan tradition as he should have named him for the boy's grandfather Oginga Odinga (the Kenyan "Fidel Castro"), a Marxist-Leninist revolutionary who led an unsuccessful coup to topple the government of Kenya on behalf of the Soviets.

It is not known whether Oginga Odinga's brother-in-law, Obama Sr., was involved in the coup, though given the tribal character of politics in Kenya it would be difficult to imagine that he wasn't at least aware of it or wouldn't have profited by it even if he didn't contribute to it. Indeed, that may have been the reason for Obama Sr.'s failed political career in Kenya.

It is certainly ironic that Obama Sr.'s star eclipsed because of his relationship to Oginga Odinga, whereas his son Raila's rose because of his connection to Obama Jr.

We wonder how things might have turned out if Obama Sr., the Harvard-trained economist, had followed his cousin's example and named his American-born son "John Maynard Keynes Obama."

I think there is far more chance of transmitting democracy to Cuba then to China via trade. Also, thanks for your explanation about why Cuba has been punished if you will for so long...it’s a good one...and I think it is true.

I think there is far more chance of transmitting democracy to Cuba then to China via trade.

I fully agree. The Castros have one foot in the grave as I type and the Cubans still in Cuba are ready. The ones in Miami are prepared to return to Cuba and lead the country to a new era of democracy.

Besides, I'd like to go, someday. According to everything I've read, Cuba used to be a fun, swinging place in its day ('30s, 40s and 50s). It will cost as much as the Obamoron is poring down the toilet in government handouts but, with sufficient investment capital, Cuba could return to its "party nation" reputation once they are finally rid of the Castros.

My Dad went there he said it was beautiful and that the people were really nice.