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How your brain creates God? (Evos try to reduce God to natural by-product of how brain works)
CMI ^ | March 10, 2009 | Adrian Bates

Posted on 03/10/2009 10:32:03 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

The journal New Scientist has recently run an article called Born Believers: How your brain creates God (especially in hard financial times)1… Towards the latter end of the article is a disclaimer that ‘All the researchers involved stress that none of this says anything about the existence or otherwise of gods.’ However, the tenor of the article, including the title, militates strongly that the author’s preferred reality is that, yes folks, “your brain creates God.”

The article initially suggests that “God” is created in our brains as a result of “an evolutionary adaptation that makes people more likely to survive”. However it then points out that this theory is not accepted by many in the evolutionary community. Blithely over-riding this hiccup, it then launches into an alternate, conflicting theory that “religion emerges as a natural by-product of the way the human mind works”...

(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: brain; catholic; christian; creation; evolution; god; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; irreligiousleft; moralabsolutes; newscientist; religion; richarddawkins; romans215
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To: DevNet
If such a link exists why would God stop some from having it?

He didn't, He gave you free will to reject Him.

51 posted on 03/10/2009 5:07:02 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther; itsahoot; metmom; GodGunsGuts

“54% of americans elected Obama President”
“46% of americans believe in UFO’s”

So what’s your point?

I see no quotes from JimRob..

My statement stands

crevo belongs in ‘religion’, not news. - or won’t the RMOD put up with your trolling?


52 posted on 03/10/2009 5:14:49 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

LOL!


53 posted on 03/10/2009 5:23:15 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: xcamel

==The never ending crevo debate is NOT news.

Does that mean the never ending debate between freedom and collectivism is not news?


54 posted on 03/10/2009 5:24:39 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Are you asking why apples will never taste like bananas?


55 posted on 03/10/2009 5:26:22 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

==crevo belongs in ‘religion’, not news. - or won’t the RMOD put up with your trolling?

Don’t you realize that the origins debate marks where religion and science intersect?


56 posted on 03/10/2009 5:27:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Nice obfuscation of the question at hand.


57 posted on 03/10/2009 5:30:00 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

You just said that if a debate is neverending, it’s not news. Thus, if we follow your logic, the battle between the forces of freedom and the forces of collectivism is not news. Well done!


58 posted on 03/10/2009 5:36:45 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
No, I said your debate.

No soup for you.

59 posted on 03/10/2009 5:39:53 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

==Nice obfuscation of the question at hand.

Please point out the obfuscation. I’m all ears.


60 posted on 03/10/2009 5:39:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
one more time... crevo belongs in ‘religion’, not news. - or won’t the RMOD put up with your trolling?
61 posted on 03/10/2009 5:41:18 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

==No, I said your debate.

Here are your exact words: “The never ending crevo debate is NOT news.”

==No soup for you.

Why am I not surprised that you sound just like a guard straight out of Gulag Archipelago?


62 posted on 03/10/2009 5:45:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: xcamel

==one more time... crevo belongs in ‘religion’, not news. - or won’t the RMOD put up with your trolling?

In case you haven’t noticed, the right to present the scientific arguments contained in the articles I post are being played out in school boards, court rooms, and even the presidential debates, all across the country and the world.


63 posted on 03/10/2009 5:53:32 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
1) Avoid the hard answer.
2) quote out of context
3) resort to ‘cartoony’ Nazi or communists name calling.

I guess you have to work a little harder on walking the walk.

PS: you must be about 105 years old to know exactly what a ‘guard straight out of Gulag Archipelago’ sounds like, or is your world really only 3500 years old?
Oh wait.. Methuselah made it to just a little over 900...

What you completely miss is I could care less about your view on evolution or creation - you're free to believe whatever you want. I'm just suggesting that you reconsider where it gets posted to reach a wider audience of interested parties.

64 posted on 03/10/2009 5:58:02 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

I would say it is you who are avoiding the hard questions, let alone the obvious answers. Could that be why you get so upset when someone gives God credit for His own creation? Something to think about, anyway...


65 posted on 03/10/2009 6:12:59 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: tpanther

Then why do the brains of believes and nonbelievers look the same?


66 posted on 03/10/2009 6:13:42 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: GodGunsGuts
You assume I am upset with your view, despite direct evidence to the contrary.

The oldest known translation of genesis starts with “In A Beginning”, which implies “many beginnings”, and continues with the story of the “Days of God” the length of which were incomprehensible, and unknowable by man until the 6th...

You see, I can debate both sides of this issue all day, but only your choice is in question, not your position or belief structure.

You tend to make far too many knee-jerk assumptions and create fallacious “facts” out of them.

I doesn't do much to bolster your insistence on shoving your ideas down everyones throat.

67 posted on 03/10/2009 6:27:45 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

==You see, I can debate both sides of this issue all day

You sound very conflicted. When you finally resolve the debate with yourself, let me know which side won.


68 posted on 03/10/2009 6:40:34 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DevNet; tpanther

==Then why do the brains of believes and nonbelievers look the same?

How very reductionist of you.


69 posted on 03/10/2009 6:42:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It is you that is grasping at every straw to obtain tangible proof of that which can only be solved by faith.

I feel sorry for you.


70 posted on 03/10/2009 6:43:08 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

==It is you that is grasping at every straw to obtain tangible proof of that which can only be solved by faith...I feel sorry for you.

No need for anyone to “grasp at straws.” God’s hand in creation is obvious to all except those who spend their whole lives trying to hide from him. And don’t feel sorry for me, for my name is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities— his eternal power and divine nature— have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools


71 posted on 03/10/2009 6:56:01 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: xcamel; metmom; Jim Robinson
"54% of americans elected Obama President”

“46% of americans believe in UFO’s”

So what’s your point?

You posted nonsense about creationism hurting the image of FR, clearly it's the other way around, but liberals project alot.

I see no quotes from JimRob..

You will.

crevo belongs in ‘religion’, not news. - or won’t the RMOD put up with your trolling?

I didn't post the article confucius. And you liberals don't get to dictate where conservative values belong or don't belong on FR.

72 posted on 03/10/2009 6:57:59 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: DevNet

Why do you think the way brains look has anything to do with free will?


73 posted on 03/10/2009 7:00:20 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

you missed quite a bit of the conversation before firing off your little flame post, didn’t you?


74 posted on 03/10/2009 7:00:49 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: DevNet; muawiyah
If such a link exists why would God stop some from having it?

Who said that God would stop someone from having it? Just because someone has it, doesn't mean that they have to use it.

Why try to blame God? There's free will, you know.

75 posted on 03/10/2009 7:07:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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I see no quotes from JimRob.

JR made quite a good post about the crevo debates and FR's position on God and conservatism. I know someone has posted it fairly recently but don't recall who it was.

If whoever has it could provide it for xcamel, that would be nice.

76 posted on 03/10/2009 7:13:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: xcamel

No, actually I’m responding to your flame/nonsense that creationism damages FR.

You have a very short attention span don’t you?


77 posted on 03/10/2009 7:14:29 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Debate on church doctrine and or threads on specific religious matters may be best posted in the religion forum, but the defense of religious freedom, especially against those who wish to deprive us of same belongs front and center on FR.

They banned God and prayer and creationism from public schools and public places, but I’ll be damned if they’re gonna ban Him or it from FR!


78 posted on 03/10/2009 7:15:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
They banned God and prayer and creationism from public schools and public places, but I’ll be damned if they’re gonna ban Him or it from FR!

Excellent, and one would think the liberals would understand this by now!

79 posted on 03/10/2009 7:24:12 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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==I see no quotes from JimRob...

And on this very thread, no less!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2203455/posts?page=76#78


80 posted on 03/10/2009 7:38:56 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: xcamel; Jim Robinson; YHAOS; Fichori; tpanther; valkyry1; Mr. Silverback; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...

Freepers rock....

Please read this and the link to the following thread and then you can let us know if you share a philosophy with JR.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1732037/posts?page=84#84

And therein lies the rub. In order for you to prove the theory of evolution and to have it universally accepted by all people as true fact, you must first completely destroy the Holy Bible and all it teaches us.

There can be no Creator. No God. No miracles. God cannot possibly have created the Earth or the Heavens or Man and every Creature that walks swims or crawls. There was no Adam and Eve. No Garden of Eden. No original sin. There was no Noah. No Ark. No flood. No Moses. No burning bush. No Ten Commandments handed down from God. Jesus cannot possibly have been the Son of God, nor could he have died on the cross for our sins. The Resurrection could not possibly have happened. There is no Saviour and no Salvation. No life after death. No Heaven. No Hell. No God. No Satan. No good vs evil.

Therefore all of Christianity, in fact, all of all religions are simply mythical fairy tales based on lies and superstition.

The theory of evolution does not allow for the Holy Bible, or miracles including the miracle of Creation, the miracle of life, etc, or God our Creator, or Jesus Christ, or Christianity, Judaism, etc.

The Declaration of Independence is therefore also a lie. If there is no Creator, our rights cannot possibly have come from God. In other words, we have no unalienable rights. Our rights would only be what the government allows us.

The Declaration would be null and void and the founding would have been based on lies rather than “these truths we hold self-evident.”

The first amendment would simply be a cruel joke. The Bill of Rights would have no foundation on truth or unalienable rights from God and that would also make the entire Constitution of the United States null and void. All laws based on the Ten Commandments would be null and void. There would be no God to guide our judges and no reason not to bear false witness.

Our entire American history, in fact all of civilization would be based on nothing but lies. Our ancestors passed down lies to our grand parents and parents and they lied to us and we have taught our children nothing but lies.

This is exactly what the Marxists (leftists) would have us believe.

If you destroy belief in the Creator, you destroy belief in God, Christianity, Judaism, etc. You destroy our entire civilized society and reason for being. We would be left with nothing but chaos and anarchy. A Marxist dream come true.

Believers in the theory of evolution may not be Marxists, but they are pushing exactly what the Marxists want pushed. And that makes it political.

And I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with science. Along with everything else, God created all knowledge and that includes the modern miracle of science.
84 posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 4:49:33 AM by Jim Robinson

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Statement by the founder of Free Republic
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts


81 posted on 03/10/2009 7:38:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DevNet
Recall, if you will, the latest in quantum theory ~ God not only plays dice with the Universe, he toses them where even he can't see them.

So, yeah, some folks have no com-link. Stuff happens.

82 posted on 03/10/2009 7:40:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: metmom

That was fast!


83 posted on 03/10/2009 7:41:01 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DevNet; RegulatorCountry

Predestinarians?


84 posted on 03/10/2009 7:41:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GodGunsGuts

Like I said, Freepers rock....


85 posted on 03/10/2009 7:47:06 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; xcamel
One man's Persian is another man's Mede.

Doing these debates in Religion brings to play some doctrinal stuff that inhibits both.

Since our solar system may merely be the "special creation" of some other group of critters in our own galaxy, or galactic cluster, which would definitely be "news" under any standard, it's probably best left in "news" and out of "religion".

86 posted on 03/10/2009 7:49:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Thought you guys might be interested in reply #78 and #81. Amen? Amen!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2203455/posts?page=85#78


87 posted on 03/10/2009 7:52:36 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: xcamel
".....insistence on shoving your ideas down everyones throat" raises a question about what you really think about GGG ~ do you imagine he has the power through the mere placement of dots on a screen to actually grab someone by the throat and shove "ideas"(presumably on sign boards) down throats?

I have yet to see any such events on any website ~ it would, as it turns out, be quite "magical" ~ and none of us believe in magic anymore.

88 posted on 03/10/2009 7:55:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GodGunsGuts
If my brain created God, then who created my brain? If evolution somehow created my brain, then who created evolution?

5.56mm

89 posted on 03/10/2009 7:56:43 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Jim Robinson
but I’ll be damned if they’re gonna ban Him or it from FR

HEAR HEAR!!

God bless you and yours!!

90 posted on 03/10/2009 8:12:26 PM PDT by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: metmom; xcamel; Jim Robinson

Well, that ought to settle the matter once and for all. Remember xcamel, if it looks like chicken, and it tastes like chicken, but Jim Robinson says it’s beef, then it’s beef.


91 posted on 03/10/2009 8:17:36 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (True nobility is exempt from fear - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts
I doesn't do much to bolster your insistence on shoving your ideas down everyones throat.

Nobody is forcing anyone to read anything they don't want to on FR.

You really need to relax some. You seem to get too bent out of shape about how others post on FR judging by your posting history.

92 posted on 03/10/2009 8:20:22 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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If you destroy belief in the Creator, you destroy belief in God, Christianity, Judaism, etc. You destroy our entire civilized society and reason for being. We would be left with nothing but chaos and anarchy.

In support of the statements you cited by JR, let me add something from another fellow who also has a rather high opinion of liberty and religion and how they support each other:

” Religion perceives that civil liberty affords a noble exercise to the faculties of man and that the political world is a field prepared by the Creator for the efforts of mind. Free and powerful in its own sphere, satisfied with the place reserved for it, religion never more surely establishes its empire than when it reigns in the hearts of men unsupported by aught beside its native strength."

"Liberty regards religion as its companion in all its battles and its triumphs, as the cradle of its infancy and the divine source of its claims. It considers religion as the safeguard of morality, and morality as the best security of law and the surest pledge of the duration of freedom.”

. . . . . Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, Vol I, Chapter II, page 44

” Every individual is always supposed to be as well informed, as virtuous, and as strong as any of his fellow citizens. He obeys society, not because he is inferior to those who conduct it or because he is less capable than any other of governing himself, but because he acknowledges the utility of an association with his fellow men and he knows that no such association can exist without a regulating force. He is a subject in all that concerns the duties of citizens to each other; he is free and responsible to God alone, for all that concerns himself. Hence arises the maxim, that everyone is the best and sole judge of his own private interest, and that society has no right to control a man's actions unless they are prejudicial to the common weal or unless the common weal demands his help. This doctrine is universally admitted in the United States.”

. . . . . Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, Vol I, Chapter V, page 64

It’s a funny thing. I’ve always thought of Tocqueville as French, to be sure, but, first and foremost, an American.

93 posted on 03/10/2009 8:35:05 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: GodGunsGuts; metmom

Indeed, thank you both so much for the pings!


94 posted on 03/10/2009 8:43:34 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: YHAOS
Thank you, dear YHAOS, for those beautiful excerpts!
95 posted on 03/10/2009 8:44:06 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom

My point exactly, Metmom. Why on earth does it cause these people to go into conniption fits to see a Creation or ID science link go buy every now and again? Nobody’s forcing them to click the link. Sheesh...


96 posted on 03/10/2009 8:55:28 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: YHAOS

Excellent quotes, YHAOS. I was just thinking about re-reading de Tocqueville just the other day. All the best—GGG


97 posted on 03/10/2009 8:59:15 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom

Thanks, metmom - been very busy but do appreciate the pings and WILL read this one!


98 posted on 03/10/2009 9:11:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: metmom

The person to whom I responded.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2203455/posts?page=14#14

“Good analogy. Another approach might be that God needs a com-link in your brain, and there it is ~ no surprise at all.

Then there the “other people” who have no com-link. Are they MORE or LESS evolved? “


99 posted on 03/10/2009 9:19:40 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: do the dhue

To those who wish to kick God out of his creation we say-—
You crazy, insane, whacked out FOOOOOOOOOLs!


100 posted on 03/10/2009 9:23:14 PM PDT by tflabo
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