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North Carolina Judge Assaults Mother's Right - ALAN KEYES
America's Independent Party ^ | March 12, 2009 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 03/12/2009 7:34:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: swain_forkbeard
“... expense of homeschooling...” Guess I’m ignorant. What expense? Some books and materials?

Yes, books and instructional materials cost money and so do field trips and resources like reference books. Also, in a divorce, probably some compensation for the mother's time is part of this dispute.

If the man is prosperous and can afford it, he is the type of man most likely to pay lawyers to remove the influence of the mother from their children, while he sets up the stepmother as a desirable companion to them. It happens all the time, especially with cheating professional men -- doctors, lawyers, executives whose wives stayed home to raise the children while they messed around on the side. Eventually the mistress becomes aggressive or pregnant, and a showdown happens, in which the mother and the children get savaged by the "no-fault" divorce system and the husband's attorneys.

41 posted on 03/12/2009 9:05:55 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: EternalVigilance

The judge sides with the adulterer father and orders a mental health evaluation for the mother. What a pig.

” the judge also ordered a mental health evaluation for the mother – but not the father – as part of the divorce proceedings, in what Williams described as an attack on the “mother’s conservative Christian beliefs.” “


42 posted on 03/12/2009 9:07:38 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: EternalVigilance

http://pissedoffandpointingfingers.com/nc-judge-oversteps-his-bounds


43 posted on 03/12/2009 9:11:17 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: swain_forkbeard
Guess I’m ignorant. What expense? Some books and materials?

I often wonder when I hear that, too. We homeschool. We had the books anyway; thousands collected over 50 years or more. I would think your average family ought to have at least the basics lying around, and if not there's always the internet and secondhand book sales online. Material? What, paper and pens, a few other desk items. Gasoline for the field trip, and the price of admittance to the destination. Homeschool doesn't require a $500 curriculum.

Besides that, the school district gets (typically) thousands of tax dollars PER PUPIL, and if you have a child in public school...flame away, but you are receiving a form of welfare. Very few conservatives have situations that justify resorting to "free" public education for their children.

44 posted on 03/12/2009 9:11:34 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Alan nails it.

“Men cry, peace, peace, but there is no peace...”


45 posted on 03/12/2009 9:12:49 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Albion Wilde
Do you have any statistics on how well single parent homeschooling works out?

I am a homeschooler of 3 and it occupies every aspect of my life.

At the very most I can work outside the home 20 hours a week.

Other than that, it takes a FAMILY, with one parent who takes on full financial responsibility.

Think about the cost of educational materials alone. Then factor in time and money for extra-curricular activities. If you belong to a co-op, there's another cha-ching along with more time dedicated. Library time, where will that fit in? What about homeschool field trips and activities?

What exactly will these children be left to do while Mom is away for 10 or more hours a day? When I work an eight hour shift, I am away from home for 11 hours. 9 hours at work and 2 hours driving. My husband gets home in time to supervise my 15 year old and 12 year old twins. I certainly wouldn't leave them to their own devices.

And aside from that, there are meals to prepare, laundry to wash, bathrooms to clean, floors to be vacuumed and mopped, a yard to be kept up, bills to be paid, Dr. and Dental appointments to be kept, homeschool transcripts to document and lesson plans to prepare.

I could not fit that in along with a 40+ hour workweek.

I'm not throwing Mom under the Bus, but her chances for making this all happen with the best outcome are pretty slim.

During most divorce proceedings, there are plenty of opportunities for mediation before the case is even seen by the judge.

Why, if the dad is at “fault” in this no fault divorce, was the mother asked to have mental evaluations?

Why has HSLDA not intervened? Is there more to this than meets the eye?

46 posted on 03/12/2009 9:16:05 AM PDT by borntobeagle (April 1st....sin taxes are thrown away..excuse my nicotine rants!!)
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To: Albion Wilde
“He routinely ‘violated’ the ‘separation of church and state.’”

As did the Founder dearest to the secular Left, Thomas Jefferson! Gosh, he attended a church service held in the Capitol right after he wrote the infamous letter to the Danbury Baptists! Add to that, he authorized the funding of circuit clergy on the frontier, and for the Christianization of the Indians! Outrageous! /sarc

47 posted on 03/12/2009 9:19:56 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: Albion Wilde

It’s hard to rouse hearts to meet danger when the words to describe it have gone out of style. “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty…” to let arrogant judges, politicians and bureaucrats dispose of the souls of their children, and the charter of their liberty, and the future of their country. Is that how it goes? Is that how you remember it?

Powerful stuff, It is a shame the country doesn’t appreciate him. Still, his voice is urgently needed
and heeded by those who understand what is at stake.


48 posted on 03/12/2009 9:22:21 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: borntobeagle
Just how often do judges side with the Men in divorce proceedings? Most often the Mothers have free reign and get everything they want, regardless of the grounds for divorce.

Any divorced men out there want to chime in and let us know how fairly you were treated in court during your divorce?

You sound like a real fair minded person who wants to hear both sides. Since you already know how women are treated in court you now only want to hear from men. LOL

49 posted on 03/12/2009 9:23:53 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

I admit I am not fair minded, I am a second wife.


50 posted on 03/12/2009 9:27:01 AM PDT by borntobeagle (April 1st....sin taxes are thrown away..excuse my nicotine rants!!)
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To: swain_forkbeard

She receives 1380 a month from the ex. The mortgage is 1080 - she is expected to pay all other expenses from this amount.

Since she homeschools during the day, getting a 9-5 job is not a possibiity in her eyes, and she wants more money from the ex so that she can live where she and kids are used to, homeschool, and have reasonable dollars left over for things the kids need.


51 posted on 03/12/2009 9:36:29 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: borntobeagle

According to the mom’s website, the dad makes 112,000 a year and grosses 9k a month. After taxes and paying her about 1,400, he has about 5k. The 1400 she gets is about 300 more than the mortgage. Since she is homeschooling and is responsible for young children, getting a job for the mom is very impractical. So I think the crux of the issue is that dad wants the kids in school so the mom can get a job, rather than pay her more money so that she can maintain her present lifestyle.

At least, that is how I read her numbers and situation. It’s a tough one. Can the courts force the dad to pay more $$ so that the kids can be homeschooled?


52 posted on 03/12/2009 9:42:19 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: borntobeagle

You apparently have little experience with what passes for family law these days, and you are lucky for that — may it ever be so. I did my graduate work in that field, so while I applaud you for trying to understand, your posts are naive and not at all helpful to the children. The fact that the mother was keelhauled for an emotional review is a common tactic to discredit the opposition already weakened by the damage to the marriage and the children’s moral upbringing by the adultery. It’s known as kicking the horse when it’s down. Do you think the judges and lawyers are all impeccably moral, well-intentioned spiritually whole defenders of truth here? Pardon my French, but bwahahahahahaha!


53 posted on 03/12/2009 9:43:58 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: borntobeagle
I admit I am not fair minded, I am a second wife.

OK, bingo! To quote Isaac Bashevis Singer, "The first wife hauls the cart. The second wife rides in it."

54 posted on 03/12/2009 9:45:04 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: SoftballMominVA
...the crux of the issue is that dad wants the kids in school so the mom can get a job, rather than pay her more money so that she can maintain her present lifestyle.

The heck with her. After all, he has a trophy to support.

55 posted on 03/12/2009 9:55:35 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: Albion Wilde
That's just down right hilarious.

You have insulted me tremendously. Tag me with a Bingo...I wish you could have walked a mile in my shoes.

A father who worked 2 jobs so that: A mother, who went through 4 additional husbands after mine,

who took us to court yearly for her “raise”,

who had a 14 year old son drive her home because she was too drunk to drive,

who called the police on her own son because he fled the house after being beaten,

who failed to pay his private tuition (which we paid for) and was dropped and then failed to enroll him in another school for over a month and then lied to him that he was kicked out of school for poor attendance,

who brought a steady stream of men in the house while hubby was away,

who took us to court because her son needed psychological care for abandonment issues (which we paid for),

and who came after my income as well.

All in a state (Hawaii) that was more than happy to accommodate her.

Were my children ever figured into the equation of support??
Absolutely not.

Guess where this (step) son of mine is now? He lives here, in our home as a valued member of our family. He moved the day he turned 18. He is a damaged young man, but we have worked patiently for the past 3 years, and will continue to do so, so that he may be a healthy and productive citizen.

Yes, I harbor ill-will, and you can LOL and BINGO and whatever else makes you feel superior. Cast those stones. I've lived life on the other side, and I can speak from the heart when I say what “facts” come out of these divorces are not what always are the truth.

Ride in a cart..what an insult.

56 posted on 03/12/2009 10:12:29 AM PDT by borntobeagle (April 1st....sin taxes are thrown away..excuse my nicotine rants!!)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Thanks. Now I see the connection.

One income, one household becomes one income, two households. Somethings gotta give.


57 posted on 03/12/2009 10:28:28 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: SoftballMominVA

“It’s a tough one.”

It is. Pops was running around, but this is no-fault, right?

I’m not sure the crux of the issue, for me, is the home-schooling. She was a stay-at-home Mom, married and supported by her husband.

Should she expect to be able to maintain that following a divorce?


58 posted on 03/12/2009 10:33:14 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Like everything that the liberals brought about with their “good intentions”,

no fault divorce creates incentives to do destructive things.

And I believe, despite the claims to the contrary, that those pushing these consequence alleviation agendas under the guise of “compassion” knew EXACTLY what would happen.


59 posted on 03/12/2009 10:35:40 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: borntobeagle

I’m sorry for your troubles, including reading comprehension. I said “bingo”, as in “there’s relevant information”, not “bimbo.” Methinks the lady doth protest too much.


60 posted on 03/12/2009 10:50:21 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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