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North Carolina Judge Assaults Mother's Right - ALAN KEYES
America's Independent Party ^ | March 12, 2009 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 03/12/2009 7:34:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: EternalVigilance
He did it so they would become anti-American left wing Communist. Is this not what the schools teach, as well as the lies they teach about the history of the United States and the world.
21 posted on 03/12/2009 7:58:26 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (I will always be a Soldier)
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To: EternalVigilance
Mangum stated his decision was not ideologically or religiously motivated

What does that leave? Rectally extracted?

22 posted on 03/12/2009 7:59:41 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I like what he says here. I have even changed ny tagline to reflet a quote from Keys.


23 posted on 03/12/2009 7:59:53 AM PDT by stockpirate ("the imposition of socialist tyranny will produce the enslavement of conscience, " Alan Keyes 09)
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To: swain_forkbeard

“What action was before him and who brought it?”

It’s a messy divorce caused by adultery (man’s) and the man doesn’t want to have to pay for the expense of homeschooling any longer.


24 posted on 03/12/2009 8:08:33 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: EternalVigilance

http://www.hsinjustice.com/

The mother’s website.


25 posted on 03/12/2009 8:10:06 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: mnehring
“I would love to compare these Home-schooled kid’s scores on basic aptitude tests...”

Depending on the subject; they scored at grade level, and up to 2 grades ahead.

26 posted on 03/12/2009 8:10:52 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: OldNavyVet
Well this mother did not know best. She and her soon to be EX should have settled this matter out of court.

They did this to themselves by allowing the court to interfere.

There must be more to this story because HSLDA has not intervened as of yet.

And yes I am sympathetic toward these children. They are going through enough with this divorce, let alone facing the thought of entering Public school.

But there is still something nagging me about this particular case. I've been bashed on other threads pertaining to this divorce.

I think a lot of people are looking at this through a microscope and are avoiding the larger picture.

27 posted on 03/12/2009 8:11:00 AM PDT by borntobeagle (April 1st....sin taxes are thrown away..excuse my nicotine rants!!)
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To: mnehring
I would love to compare these Home-schooled kid’s scores on basic aptitude tests compared to their public school counterparts.

Test scores would be undoubtedly higher. The problem is test scores are only one of a set of movable markers. As soon as "we" think the marker is set firmly, "they" propose another. As in "socialization." As in "challenging" the ideas of the parents.

28 posted on 03/12/2009 8:12:56 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: chuckles
” I can't understand why this man cannot get elected...”

It's a statement on how far we have fallen from our founding principles. Keyes is one of our finest statesmen, but the media (and the RNC) treat him with disdain. I swear, George Washington couldn't be elected today!!

29 posted on 03/12/2009 8:14:51 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: mnehring
I would love to compare these Home-schooled kid’s scores on basic aptitude tests compared to their public school counterparts.

Read the article:"The children, however, have tested above their grade levels - by as much as two years."

30 posted on 03/12/2009 8:22:18 AM PDT by calex59
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To: EternalVigilance

From the mother’s website http://www.hsinjustice.com :

What Can You Do?

This case is still ongoing - we have a chance to make a real difference! Call, fax, or email those in authority to have Judge Mangum removed from this case - so that Venessa Mills can get a fair hearing and homeschoolers can get justice.

1. Forward this message to every person on your contact list, and all those interested in protecting basic American rights. After the right to educate is gone, property and other basic rights will follow.

2. Contact three officials to express your outrage at Venessa Mills’ right to homeschool being taken away and the prejudicial orders of this judge. Three or four short emails or phone calls could be the difference for these kids, and many more like them.

You can reference the case number: #08CVD17753

Judge Mangum’s Supervisors

Judicial Standards Commission
P.O. Box 1122
Raleigh, North Carolina 27602
919-831-3630

Don’t be discouraged or think that you can’t make a difference! This case has not been finalized - there’s still time to call for the removal of Judge Mangum - or, at the very least, make him review the facts and deliver a fair judgment.

Every contact counts! Call the numbers on this list to demand justice!

http://www.nccourts.org/County/Wake/Directory.asp

State Legislators

NC Senate-Neal Hunt (R)
919-733-5850
Neal.Hunt@ncleg.net

NC House-Ty Harrell (D)
919-733-5602
Ty.Harrell@ncleg.net

North Carolina Governor

Governor Bev Perdue
Office of the Governor
20301 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-0301
Phone: (919)733-4240
Fax: (919)733-2120


31 posted on 03/12/2009 8:24:08 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: borntobeagle
Well this mother did not know best. She and her soon to be EX should have settled this matter out of court.

They did this to themselves by allowing the court to interfere.

Surely you jest. I guess you've never been divorced. It's not always so easy to just "settle this matter out of court". This is an obviously biased, activist judge taking the man's/adulterer's side in this case.

32 posted on 03/12/2009 8:27:00 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: mnehring
I attended private schools most of my life except my freshman year in high school (due to a move). I was put in all the advanced classes, yet I recall that most of what was taught I already studied in the fifth or sixth grade in private schools.

That is just the reverse of our family's experience. Our offspring attended private schools K-12, scored high on standardized tests and did very well in college and grad school. We were careful in our choice of schools, which were private but not religious schools, and which acknowledged the place of religion within U.S. history and taught about it respectfully.

33 posted on 03/12/2009 8:33:51 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
I swear, George Washington couldn't be elected today!!

He routinely "violated" the "separation of church and state."

God bless him!

34 posted on 03/12/2009 8:39:37 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
....."George Washington couldn't be elected today!!"....

I don't think Jesus could get elected today either. In fact, I'm not sure Jesus could get into most churches today. The original "homophobe".

35 posted on 03/12/2009 8:42:04 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

“... expense of homeschooling...”

Guess I’m ignorant. What expense? Some books and materials?


36 posted on 03/12/2009 8:44:25 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
No Joking on my part.

Just how often do judges side with the Men in divorce proceedings? Most often the Mothers have free reign and get everything they want, regardless of the grounds for divorce.

Any divorced men out there want to chime in and let us know how fairly you were treated in court during your divorce?

If this family had been homeschooling, it is apparent that both Mom and Dad had a vested interest in their children. If that is the case, then they would have been able to overlook their hatred for one another and come to some agreement for their children's sake.

Does being divorced make one an expert on all divorces?

How does this mother plan on supporting her children? Does she get full alimony and child support? What kind of income does the father have to support her?

If Dad is already fighting Mom's desire to homeschool and it is because he doesn't want to support her, who are we to believe he will not drop out and Mom will eventually end up on they system so that you and I can support her right to homeschool?

It took two to bring these children into the world, and it will take two to support them. Mom has an equal responsibility to provide for these children.

How will she manage a 40+ hour workweek and still stick to full-time homeschooling?

37 posted on 03/12/2009 8:49:31 AM PDT by borntobeagle (April 1st....sin taxes are thrown away..excuse my nicotine rants!!)
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To: borntobeagle
Well this mother did not know best. She and her soon to be EX should have settled this matter out of court

It's useless of you to try to throw the mother under the bus for not keeping it out of court. A party to a divorce who is being suppoenaed to appear by the other spouse's custody lawyers cannot keep it out of court. The father not only dumped her for someone else; he also wants to pay less support and manipulate the situation so that the mother has less time with the children, and obviously this move helps him even if it hurts the children's education.

It's called "no-fault" divorce, in which moral issues of marriage and role modeling are considered irrelevant to the divorce, the financial arrangement or the custody. It is a wicked system that enriches lawyers and sets up a judge as the boss over private family decisions, destroys the cuckolded or abused spouse, denies them justice, and subverts any moral instruction of the children.

A friend of mine who was a divorce court judge making such decisions over people's families was also an adulterer and drug abuser in his own life. What makes you think this mother got justice? (And it could have happened the same way also to a househusband who taught the kids -- it's just that such a situation is rare.)

38 posted on 03/12/2009 8:53:07 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: RobinOfKingston
As in "socialization." As in "challenging" the ideas of the parents.

As in "socialistizing" society.

39 posted on 03/12/2009 8:54:41 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: borntobeagle
Well this mother did not know best. She and her soon to be EX should have settled this matter out of court.

When a man has decided that he prefers another woman to his own wife and is hostile about it, the wife has a most difficult time even talking to her husband let alone "settling" anything out of court.

Most men care very deeply about the welfare of their families. Her EX makes a lot of money and wants to pay the least amount of support as possible. He doesn't mind impugning his wife and going for the jugular.

The guy is a rat.

40 posted on 03/12/2009 8:57:57 AM PDT by Slyfox
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