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Sales of guns, ammo still high
Tulsa World ^ | 13 March 2009 | KELLY BOSTIAN

Posted on 03/13/2009 9:51:15 AM PDT by AreaMan

Tulsa World.com  



Sales of guns, ammo still high

by: KELLY BOSTIAN World Outdoors Writer
Friday, March 13, 2009

3/13/2009 11:16:57 AM


Correction: This story originally reported the wrong years when comparing the number of permit applications. The cutline incorrectly identified the .40 and .45 caliber bullets. The story and cutline have been corrected.

Related Story: Liberals told to leave: An instructor for a hunter safety course orders Obama voters to get out of his class.




Four months after the election of President Barack Obama, firearms and ammunition sales in Tulsa remain at a fever pitch.

Popular self-protection ammunition is often sold out at local stores, weapons are flying off shelves and the state reports an 87 percent increase in concealed carry permit applications for February 2008 over February 2009.

"People are hoarding. They're creating a shortage," Jim Prall at Sports World on 41st Street said of ammunition sales. "We've sold more ammunition in the last three months than we sold last year."

Gun sales spiked in November with the election of Barack Obama and Democrats adding to their majority in Congress. But local gun dealers say the spike is turning into a steady climb with political worries about gun rights as well as worries about the economy and potential for increased crime.

Prall said his store planned ahead for the increase, having seen a similar spike after Bill Clinton was elected, but the previous jump in sales pales in comparison to what's happening now.

"Most we're selling now we got back in September, but we bought pallets then where normally we wouldn't have ordered that much."

The surprise sales come with .380 caliber semi- automatic pistols. A relatively small self-protection weapon, it's not one that people typically fire in great quantity at the firing range, Prall said. Yet, the ammunition is now hard to find. "Nobody would have predicted that," he said.

"What's happened is everybody is afraid because the Democrats are anti-gun," said David Stone, president of Dong's Guns and Ammo on East Admiral Place.

Internet chatter about bills in Congress that would create additional taxes on firearms and ammunition components, require strict licensing and ban more types of so-called "assault weapons" add to the concern, Stone said. "That's just driving everyone into panic mode," he said. "We're selling 10 times the ammo we used to."



Similar bills have come up in Congress before, but few have advanced.

"We ran completely out here of 9 mm and .380," said Johny Mathews, product and service manager at the U.S. Shooting Sports Academy on East 66th Street North. "We were begging, borrowing and stealing from wherever."

Concealed-carry classes at the academy are booked through April. "We used to do 15-person classes, and now we do 24 because of the demand," he said.

Mathews believes that politics are partly to blame, but the economy also has people worried.

"It's 50/50, I think" he said. "When people lose jobs and get desperate, good people can sometimes do bad things. People hear more about home invasions, robberies, and they think it will only get worse. Then they're afraid they might lose their guns or ammo, so they stock up."

Sales are so intense that Stone has limited sales of .380 ammo to one box per customer at Dong's. He has .380-caliber handguns for sale, and likes to be able to sell ammunition to whoever buys a gun, he said.

A shipment of 10 Ruger .380 LCP handguns was sold in 24 hours this week — seven the first day, three the next. "Last week I had 28 boxes of .380, rationed to one per person, and it was gone in three days," Stone said.

Academy Sporting Goods stores also are low on .380 ammo. "The other day we got 16 boxes of .380 and a guy came in first thing and bought all 16," said Jon Ide, hunting and fishing sales associate at the 41st Street store. "A few people are doing all the buying, and it's the people who are trying to just get a box or two that can't find any."

The increased sales comes with an increase in Oklahomans seeking concealed-carry permits.

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation pulled in additional help last month so it could process concealed-carry permit applications within the required 90 days, according to the supervisor of the self-defense licensing unit. Unit workers do not release their names.

The 87.2 percent increase for February 2009 over the same month last year was partially due to renewal applications for permits issued three and five years ago. But new applications have steadily risen in the past three years, and increased markedly since November, she said.

She couldn't share the monthly breakdown on numbers, but as an indication of the volume said the state issued a total of 18,510 permits in 2008. The bureau's annual reports show the state issued 16,426 permits in 2007 and 9,529 in 2006. There are 75,525 valid active concealed-carry permits in Oklahoma, she said.




Kelly Bostian 581-8357
kelly.bostian@tulsaworld.com



Associate Images:

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A Ruger .380, a popular concealed-carry weapon, is seen Thursday with .380 (left), 9 mm, .45 and .40 caliber cartridges. The gun sells for $329. SHERRY BROWN/Tulsa World


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A Ruger .380, a popular concealed-carry weapon, is seen Thursday with .380 (left), 9 mm, .45 and .40 caliber cartridges. The gun sells for $329. SHERRY BROWN/Tulsa World




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1 posted on 03/13/2009 9:51:15 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan

I consider this good news... the more guns and ammo the general public has when they try to take them away, the better.


2 posted on 03/13/2009 9:56:09 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: AreaMan

I may inadvertently buy guns and ammo soon, myself.


3 posted on 03/13/2009 9:58:05 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: AreaMan
Well, at least we're seeing a bit less of the "fear, hysteria, and paranoia" meme from the MSM. That's both good and bad news. The good part is that any increase in the accuracy of firearms-related news is a good thing. The bad part is that the press no longer feels it can convince firearms owners that Obama isn't going to pursue more gun control.
4 posted on 03/13/2009 10:00:44 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: willgolfforfood

I recently inadvertently bought more ammo. ANd soon I plan to inadvertently buy more ammo.


5 posted on 03/13/2009 10:01:05 AM PDT by stockpirate ("the imposition of socialist tyranny will produce the enslavement of conscience, " Alan Keyes 09)
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To: AreaMan
There are 75,525 valid active concealed-carry permits in Oklahoma, she said.

This puts to rest the lie to predictions of " blood in the streets" that had been trotted out every time a state considered issuing ccw's.

6 posted on 03/13/2009 10:01:12 AM PDT by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: AreaMan
Four months after the election of Obama, firearms and ammunition sales in the Springfield-Branson area of Southwestern Missouri are still well above normal.

It will be interesting to see how many people turn out for the Springfield, Missouri Gun Show at the fairgrounds March 21 and 22.

7 posted on 03/13/2009 10:04:37 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: AreaMan

***Dong’s Guns and Ammo on East Admiral Place. ****

Man, I used to keep them in business every weekend when I lived in Tulsa! I will still visit there when I go to THE TULSA GUN SHOW, the big one, April 4 & 5, 2009!


8 posted on 03/13/2009 10:12:12 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: umgud
This puts to rest the lie to predictions of " blood in the streets" that had been trotted out every time a state considered issuing ccw's.

That happened here in Missouri both before and after CC Permits were issued.

About 2 months or less after the first permits were issued a permit holder was walking his girl friend to her door. Two men with guns attempted to rob and ? the pair.

Shots were fired, the only casualty was a hole in a bed spread in a vacant spare bed room. Had anyone been it bed it would not have hit them, but the bed spread was wounded.

The MSM ran stories about it for days showing the window and bed spread. They claimed the bullet came from the gun of the CC Permit holder.

The fact that the intended victims were not harmed was barely mentioned.

The MSM was looking far and wide for "blood running in the streets".

It didn't happen!

9 posted on 03/13/2009 10:25:26 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: AreaMan

I had my eye on a semi-auto pistol a few weeks ago and they have been out of stock for a couple of weeks.


10 posted on 03/13/2009 10:38:37 AM PDT by flying_bullet (El Conservo tribe member)
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To: AreaMan
I KNOW guns are scarce.

I use Davidson's Gallery of Guns 'Gun Genie' pretty regularly to check out varying firearms on my wish list. Well now, every popular Shotgun, Rifle or Handgun; semi-auto or revolver almost all show "0 Available".

But one thing in the article is kind of surprising to me. The apparent run on .380 Auto's.

So for Concealed Carry, and based on Ballistics, I don't understand the run on .380 semi-autos? The above are all standard loads, not +P or 'Self Defense Loads'. So even for women there's better, or 'equal' options (IMO).

But the article IS spot on regrading ammo. It is becoming scarce. At Cheaper Than Dirt there's an awful lot of 'Out of Stock' in common calibers.

11 posted on 03/13/2009 10:59:19 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: OneWingedShark

Some disagree with me,

but I assert that it is the GOOD GUYS that are buying this stuff up,

and I believe the left knows it, too.

It might make them reconsider any plans they have to make us do something we might not otherwise be able to resist.


12 posted on 03/13/2009 11:06:36 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Ruy Dias de Bivar wrote:

“***Dong’s Guns and Ammo on East Admiral Place. ****
Man, I used to keep them in business every weekend when I lived in Tulsa!”

Yeah, I used to live in Tulsa years ago, and I used to patronize Dong’s, too. Nice people, lots of guns and ammo and reloading stuff. Can’t beat it.


13 posted on 03/13/2009 11:12:49 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Proud to be an American, where I least I know I'm free!)
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Does anyone have an idea [i.e., industry information from speaking to dealers, gun store owners, etc.] when the backlog in guns and ammo will diminish?

I hear some ammo manufacturers may be catching up soon [Fioichi] and other may be backed up for months.

I wonder if supply will reach normal anytime soon—you know, when a gun store has multiple choices, competitively priced,


14 posted on 03/13/2009 11:33:15 AM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: AreaMan

I like to shoot .41mag.

In Gander Mountain a week or so ago I was fortunate to find .41mag Remington ammo...

... for $79 a box of 50.

No. I didn’t buy any.


15 posted on 03/13/2009 11:34:09 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Yes, Gorbachev is better than Obama. At least Gorbachev admitted he was a Communist)
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To: Condor51

Firearms in .380 are generally more concealable than larger calibers.

And any gun is better than no gun, particularly one that you’ve practiced with...


16 posted on 03/13/2009 12:20:39 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you intended to!)
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To: Condor51

Carried the Makarov in an ankle holster for almost 30 years as my back-up gun. Hardly anyone in law enforcement knew about it until about 5 years ago. Now, it seems everyone wants to try one out.


17 posted on 03/13/2009 1:11:25 PM PDT by TheBlueMax (International ANSWER? They don't even understand the question!)
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To: AreaMan
I'm glad I don't own a .380. I am surprised that's hard to find because it's becoming a quite popular carry gun. For pistols, I still like my .45.

My wish list for a SHTF scenario
AR-10 (I prefer a .308 to a .223)
.50 BMG (Rifle)
.338 Win Mag (Rifle)
.44 Mag
Reloading machine
Bow&Arrow

18 posted on 03/13/2009 1:41:48 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Obama = Jimmy Carter II)
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To: OneWingedShark

“the more guns and ammo the general public has when they try to take them away, the better.”

Bingo!


19 posted on 03/13/2009 4:39:56 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: AreaMan

I would love it if the distributors gave the red states priority status when selling to their customers.

With the same idea, if I finally decide to sell my Ruger Mini-14, since it’s a wanted item, I won’t sell to anyone who isn’t an NRA, SAF or SAS member.


20 posted on 03/13/2009 4:48:01 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Condor51

What pistol did you get for that 9mm mak?


21 posted on 03/14/2009 11:52:48 AM PDT by Roger_Wildcat
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To: Roger_Wildcat
*** What pistol did you get for that 9mm mak? ***

I have an actual Makarov. It was made in 'East Germany' and used by the state secret police, the 'Stasi'.

I have a C&R license (class 03) from the BATF. The East German Makarov is classified as a collector item. Mak's from other countries, like Bulgaria (iirc) are not. And I'm glad I got it when I did, the East German made Mak's are now hard to find.

A cool thing about having the C&R is I can order certain firearms over the Internet and they're at my door in a couple days. Don't even have to leave the house :-)

22 posted on 03/14/2009 12:49:54 PM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Condor51

When the tax refund shows up my bank account, I will be buying an czech cz-82 and a PSL 54c from J&G. Of course, if they doesn’t sale out of those by next week.

I am trying to get those before they too get hard to find. Already got an Mosin 91/30.


23 posted on 03/14/2009 3:49:19 PM PDT by Roger_Wildcat
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To: Roger_Wildcat
When the tax refund shows up my bank account, I will be buying an czech cz-82 and a PSL 54c from J&G. Of course, if they doesn’t sale out of those by next week.

I am trying to get those before they too get hard to find. Already got an Mosin 91/30.

The CZ-82 is a good pistol. I'm on the J&G email list and right now they have I'd like to get a CZ-82 too as they have a higher mag capacity than the East German Mak (I bought my Mak from Empire Arms, was in Excellent condition). But I bought an extra mag for my Mak so its no hurry. I'm waiting for J&G to get SKS's back in stock. That may be a loooooong wait. I may have to get one from another C&R dealer. SKS's are getting scarce too

I've also looked at getting a Mosin ever since I got my 1st C&R. I bought a Mauser instead (Yugo M48 w/ Bent Bolt). It was 'Brand New', still had the Cosmoline. 'Goo-Gone' took care of it but it was a long cleaning process (also got that from Empire Arms).

But like you say it all comes down to 'funds'. So now wirh Barry and Eric Holder I'm now concentrating on firearms they'll want to Ban. Like the SKS and Hi-Cap Mags for them, and a Hi-Cap 'Self-Defense' Shotgun.

And that PSL-54C (7.62x54) looks sweeeet and for sure that would be on a Ban List. But I have my Mauser for long range 'uses'. And at $749.95 that can get me my SKS and the Shotgun.

Have a good day :-)

24 posted on 03/15/2009 8:24:00 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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