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The Mark Sanford Revolution?
The Atlantic ^ | 3/13/09 | Marc Ambinger

Posted on 03/13/2009 1:18:07 PM PDT by pissant

The American Conservative, founded by Patrick Buchanan to serve as a voice for anti-war, anti-immigration conservative nationalists, plays an interesting role in conservative politics. Though not as widely read as National Review, which aims to set the tone for the movement conservative mainstream, TAC has gained a devoted following as a sharp critic of the conservative mainstream, a stance reflected in its ardent embrace of Ron Paul's quixotic yet very impressive presidential campaign.

And so Michael Brendan Dougherty's mostly admiring profile of South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford in TAC is worthy of note.

Dougherty does an excellent job of highlighting Sanford's potential appeal to the libertarians and paleoconservatives who backed Paul.

Sanford's conservative credentials compare favorably to anyone else mentioned as a 2012 presidential contender. He calls the public-education system "a Soviet-style monopoly." He promoted school choice through tax rebates to avoid the appearance of government control. He passed a "Castle doctrine" bill that was supported by the NRA. He favors a law-and-order approach to immigration, but opposed REAL ID on civil liberties grounds. Though he avoids showy displays of piety, he is reliably pro-life.

(Excerpt) Read more at politics.theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; marksanford; realconservatives; sanford2012; teaparty
Well, it beats the hell out of the Rudy McThomney devolution.
1 posted on 03/13/2009 1:18:07 PM PDT by pissant
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To: upchuck

Mark Sanford ping!


2 posted on 03/13/2009 1:18:55 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: pissant

I’m so proud of our Governor!


3 posted on 03/13/2009 1:21:57 PM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: pissant

Overall, I think I’m settling on Sanford. There’ve been some rumblings that he’s a “Warmie”, but nothing I’ve found overly convincing yet. My three picks, in order, are Sanford, Jindal, and Palin at this point. Just saw today that unemployment in Jindal’s state went DOWN this past month. Some GOPers must be doing something right....


4 posted on 03/13/2009 1:22:48 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (True nobility is exempt from fear - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Mark Sanford for president!


5 posted on 03/13/2009 1:23:34 PM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: pissant

A Republican who stands on principle! I am pleasantly surprised.

Sanford is looking better for 2012 IMO.


6 posted on 03/13/2009 1:24:05 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: pissant

I cannot stand the anti-immigrant crap...

Illegal aliens are not immigrants, they are lawbreakers...

I guess not wanting this nation to continue its path to a 3rd World cesspool is “hard right” then so be it...

I HATE THE MEDIA.


7 posted on 03/13/2009 1:26:13 PM PDT by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: ChinaThreat

Sanford is a good man. GOP needs more like him FAST.

Ms. Lindsay Grahma-nesty is a dubious woman.


8 posted on 03/13/2009 1:27:51 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: pissant

The main thing he has to do as governor is

assert his state’s sovereignty under the 10th amendment.


9 posted on 03/13/2009 1:29:03 PM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: rabscuttle385

He’s a RINO


10 posted on 03/13/2009 1:34:08 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: wac3rd
Illegal aliens are not immigrants, they are lawbreakers...

Exactly.

An immigrant comes to America to become an American.

An illegal alien comes to America because this is where all the good stuff is. He is here as a type of extended commute to work. He works here and sends most of his money back to Mexico.

Do you want absolute proof? Think about the worsening economy.

Where do you go when you lose your job? You go home.

Foreign workers, both legal and illegal, are going home to their native countries as their employment opportunities dry up.

Illegal Mexicans are going home to Mexico.

Where does a real immigrant go? He stays in America, because he is an American! He is no longer Mexican, Indian, Brazilian, Russian or Britain. America is his home now.

A real immigrant lives or dies, eats or starves, succeeds or fails in AMERICA. It is his home and we stand with him. The illegal alien cares nothing for America, but that it should continue to give him good stuff he can't get back home.

11 posted on 03/13/2009 1:38:28 PM PDT by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: BARLF

Do you have anything definitive to support your comment that Mark Sanford is a RINO, or is it just your opinion? I think he is a man of principle, and I’m proud he is my governor!


12 posted on 03/13/2009 1:44:07 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: rabscuttle385; 1010RD; Babsig; Clemenza; djsherin; Famishus; Livin_large; jmc813; MattinNJ; ...
    Gov. Mark Sanford Ping!



Want on or off this ping list? Just FReepmail me.

13 posted on 03/13/2009 2:04:26 PM PDT by upchuck (I'm glad I'm old. Thus I can remember when America was a decent, moral, God fearing country.)
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To: PeskyOne
Mark Sanford supported John McCain for president in 2000 and 2008.

It has been preached here on this forum for years and to this day that John McCain is a RINO. If Sanford supported John McCain that would show Sanford a RINO ,too.

14 posted on 03/13/2009 2:10:01 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF

As a Sarah Palin supporter, I am disappointed that she aligned herself with McLame as well.

That’s too bad about Sanford.


15 posted on 03/13/2009 2:13:58 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
My three picks, in order, are Sanford, Jindal, and Palin at this point.

I would reverse the order based strictly on novelty and electability, but I think any of the three would do a bang-up job.

16 posted on 03/13/2009 2:16:58 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Sanford also wants obama to succeed as president. I don't because obama is a socialist or worse. I don't want that for my country.

Right now I see no one out there that is presidential material.

17 posted on 03/13/2009 2:19:35 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF

He’s probably just avoiding the screaching minions who intentionally distort any statement of wanting 0bama’s agenda to fail into something racist.

One battle at a time.


18 posted on 03/13/2009 2:20:52 PM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: BARLF
Sanford wisely stayed neutral in the South Carolina primary. DeMint (the real senator) supported Romney and Graham (the girly senator) supported McCain. You can look it up.

Sanford only supported McCain after he secured the nomination. I think you are mixing him up with Lindsey Graham's evil twin, Charlie Crist, the governor of Florida, who jumped on the McCain bandwagon when it became clear that Romney might have a chance otherwise.

19 posted on 03/13/2009 2:21:37 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: MrB
Then he should not have made a statement he did not believe.

No one should fear the screeching idiots.

20 posted on 03/13/2009 2:25:47 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: Vigilanteman
Sanford publicly aligned himself with McCain in a March 15, 2008, piece in the Wall Street Journal. Likening the presidential race to a football game at halftime, Sanford noted that he "sat out the first half, not endorsing a candidate...But I'm now stepping onto the field and going to work to help John McCain. It's important that conservatives do the same."[26]

From Wiki

Sanford certainly supported McCain in 2000.

21 posted on 03/13/2009 3:03:48 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF
In 2000, I supported John McCain. That was before I found out he was a major RINO and turd in the punch bowl. That became clearer to me as the 2000 primary season wore on.

The Republican race was over on March 15, 2008. In fact, is was over the Friday after Super Tuesday when Romney conceded. Nobody else had a mathematical chance of overtaking McCain. Huck & Paul's ego simply did not allow them to face reality by that point.

So browbeating Sanford for supporting McCain under these circumstances is disingenuous.

22 posted on 03/13/2009 3:13:04 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Vigilanteman
Where did I support McCain in my post?

The subject is Mark Sanford and his support for a Rino.

McCain was the same man in 2000 as he was in 2008. Sanford supported McCain.

23 posted on 03/13/2009 3:18:26 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: pissant

Careful, he and Romney may end up on the same ticket. No one ever expected a Reagan/Bush ticket.


24 posted on 03/13/2009 4:28:40 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Palin will have a lot of negatives to overcome. She's been caricatured so badly in the media she'll need some heavy duty rehabilitation.

Reagan did it by a secondary market radio program. It proved quite effective in making his image over.

On the GW issue, I think it is a well all politicians have visited, if not drunk from. They are in the end politicians. Sanford looks like the best so far.

25 posted on 03/13/2009 4:31:28 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: BARLF

So who did you support last year, and who do you like for 2012?


26 posted on 03/13/2009 4:42:48 PM PDT by csmusaret (You can't spell Democrat without R-A-T.)
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To: BARLF
Sanford couldn't support McCain's positions in the end. One of the problems we will face is that of the perfect candidate.

If we fight for perfection, which by the way doesn't exist on this earth, we'll end up with another McCain.

If we fight harder for perfection we'll end up with Obama’s 2nd term.

27 posted on 03/13/2009 4:49:14 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Disappointment is common in politics. As much as I love and appreciate Reagan, he disappointed too.

He’s been deified, but he was not perfect as President.


28 posted on 03/13/2009 4:50:26 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: BARLF

As he should have.


29 posted on 03/13/2009 4:51:57 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: BARLF
Mark Sanford supported John McCain for president in 2000 and 2008.

Mark Sanford did support McCain in 2000, but was very disappointed with the way John McCain went after Bob Jones University. McCain had asked to visit the school, but got upset when he found out George W. Bush had already scheduled a visit, and deliberately began an attack to damage the school for no good reason! This happened just a couple of weeks before Super Tuesday, and Lindsey Graham asked Sanford not to drop out of the campaign. Out of friendship for Graham, he didn't drop out in 2000, but he did not endorse McCain in 2008 until 2 days after he had secured the nomination.

The following paragraph is found here: http://southernavenger.ccpblogs.com/2009/03/04/the-american-conservative-on-mark-sanford-plain-right/

Though he had endorsed John McCain in 2000, Sanford stayed out of the Republican contest in 2008. Two days before the primary, Sen. Lindsey Graham was dispatched to Sanford’s office with a plea and an offer. Graham told Sanford that an endorsement from the popular governor could put McCain over the top in the key primary state. In return, he promised a spot on McCain’s veep shortlist. Sanford responded cooly, “I don’t need your help getting on the shortlist” and declined.

Technically, you are correct, but Sanford was not an avid supporter. I didn't support McCain in the primary, but I held my nose and voted for him rather than Obama!

30 posted on 03/13/2009 4:57:03 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: PeskyOne
I didn't support McCain in the primary, but I held my nose and voted for him rather than Obama!

That was my position as well.

I did all I could to prevent obama being elected president. That meant supporting McCain.

My number one concern was for our military and obama as their CinC. Anyone could/can plainly see obama does not love our country and is now on a fast track to destroy everything American.

Did I choose McCain? No, but even worse was voting obama.

Sanford has said anyone that wants obama to fail is an idiot. That makes me an idiot in Sanford,s eyes. So be it, I think he's a RINO.

31 posted on 03/13/2009 5:23:53 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: csmusaret

I voted for McCain and so far have no “likes” for 2012.


32 posted on 03/13/2009 5:28:22 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF

Then by your logic you are a RINO?


33 posted on 03/13/2009 5:31:02 PM PDT by csmusaret (You can't spell Democrat without R-A-T.)
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To: csmusaret
See Post # 31

I answered your question honestly knowing you were going to bash me with it. I don't mind........I take it you did not vote for McCain?

If Sanford is your choice that's fine with me.

He's still a RINO.

34 posted on 03/13/2009 5:40:56 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF

I don’t know if Sanford is a RINO or not but I really doubt it. I’m just curious if you have any evidence to support your accusation or if you are one of those who won’t support anyone who is one inch short of perfection.


35 posted on 03/13/2009 6:05:02 PM PDT by csmusaret (You can't spell Democrat without R-A-T.)
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To: csmusaret

I do research csmusaret. I visit many sites looking for information on politicians that have an impact on my life and my country,especially my state and leader of my country. I look for articles,speeches they have made in the past. The paper trail.

Do your own digging, why rely on my research.

Your second question......or if you are one of those who won’t support anyone who is one inch short of perfection.

No. Had I been I would not have supported McCain or any other candidate,ever.

No one is perfect.

36 posted on 03/13/2009 6:40:48 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF

OK. You are a RINO. If you want to know why go look it up yourself. You just like to call names don’t you?


37 posted on 03/13/2009 6:43:24 PM PDT by csmusaret (You can't spell Democrat without R-A-T.)
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To: csmusaret
What????????????

I answered your questions. Point out where I called you a name?

Had I posted directly from the websites you would have condemned them as biased reports. Tis better you do your own research.

Sorry if I offended you, not sure how I did that in my post.

38 posted on 03/13/2009 7:04:03 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF

You didn’t call me a name. You called Sanford a RINO and refused to back it up. That sounds like a cheap shot artist to me, but never mind. You are boring me now. Goodnight.


39 posted on 03/13/2009 7:08:00 PM PDT by csmusaret (You can't spell Democrat without R-A-T.)
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To: BARLF
McCain was good (for the most part until the bailout) on spending. Sanford alligned with him based on that issue.

Bush wasn't exactly a conservative either.

40 posted on 03/13/2009 7:14:50 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Obama = Jimmy Carter II)
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To: csmusaret
You have a double standard here. You and your kind call all republicans RINO unless it's a republican of your choice. Then you get angry when I call your choice a RINO.

You want ME to prove to YOU Sanford is a RINO. Search with an open mind,following the herd can be dangerous to you and your country.

Sorry you are bored but you posted to me first.............

Sanford is a RINO

41 posted on 03/13/2009 7:17:41 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: csmusaret
Oh, I forgot..........

Goodnight to you

42 posted on 03/13/2009 7:19:57 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: Darren McCarty
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/02/tight-before-the-election-of-president-hussein-an-electronic-run-on-the-banks.html

It was all down hill for McCain-Palin after this.

43 posted on 03/13/2009 7:27:43 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF

I live in SC and Sanford is not a RINO.


44 posted on 03/13/2009 7:51:40 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: TChris

amen


45 posted on 03/14/2009 9:19:57 AM PDT by nitzy (Take your pick: Globalism OR Limited Government)
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