Obama Requires YOU to SERVE, H.R.1388, "The Give Act" to reform the National Service Laws

The Library of Congress THOMAS ^ | March 14, 2009 | joygrace

[joygrace]

HR 1388, will hit the House floor on Tuesday.It is called the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (The Give Act.) The House is scheduled to Rule this week. Sponsored by Democrat Representative Carolyn McCarthy (NY), Education and Labor Committee. The objective is to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.

Democrat Rep. McCarthy is sponsoring the bill with 25 co-sponsors, ALL Democrats, including Charlie Rangel. Need I say more.

[joygrace]

My concerns are many with this Bill.

What gives the Government the right to require individuals to give 3 years service under the guise of “volunteer” service? It is not explicit exactly who is required but I think they get the Bill passed and then iron out the details.

It talks about uniforms and “camps.” They revise the word “camps” and call it “campus.” There is language about Seniors and Community organizations.

Some language in the Bill is particularly disturbing like:

- “leverage Federal investments to increase State, local, business, and philanthropic resources to address national and local challenges;

- encourage national service efforts to address pressing national challenges, such as improving education for low-income students, increasing energy conservation, and improving the health, well-being, and economic opportunities of the neediest individuals in the Nation;

-expand and strengthen service-learning programs through year-round opportunities, including during the summer months, to improve the education of children and youth and to maximize the benefits of national and community service, in order to renew the ethic of civic responsibility and the spirit of community to children and youth throughout the United States;

- increase service opportunities for our Nation's retiring professionals

-encourage members of the Baby Boom generation to partake in service opportunities

- Civilian Community Corps shall be called the "National Civilian Community Corps"

-the Director determines appropriate "Uniforms"

Why does the Government have to create Laws to make people Volunteer? The Government should NOT legislate Volunteerism.

-How much money will this National program cost?

-Take note of the Miscellaneous Section (Title VI) of the Bill. Very Strange!!!

-Sec. 601. Amtrak waste disposal. -Sec. 602. Exchange program with countries in transition from totalitarianism to Democracy.

[mylife]

[CORedneck]

Service unto der Fuhrer !

[Faith]

We all know where this leads.

[ErnBatavia]

What gives the Government the right to require individuals to give 3 years service

Nothing....can't be done.

[LucyT]

PingList

[cj2a]

From the Misc. section, #6104: (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

MANDATORY!

[joygrace]

Here is the Obama spin on it:

http://edlabor.house.gov/blog/2009/03/the-generations-invigorating-v.shtml

The above link is an article from the Department of Education and Labor.

I am concerned about “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.” This Bill doesn’t sound like FREEDOM to me no matter how you dress it up.

It makes me feel sick inside. If anyone else has another take please share?

[Recovering_Democrat]

I will not go to any Obama camp. Ever.

[An Old Man]

Are they going to print the little red books in English or will we all have to learn another language like Ebonics?

[ex91B10]

Do you? Click here for the entire copy of said bill.

[FocusNexus]

“Health Care Corps”, “Clean Energy Corps” — it’s scary — why don’t they just call them “Obama’s ENFORCER Corps”.

[DB]

If the time comes where my children are forced to “volunteer” I’m leaving the country.

[napscoordinator]

I don’t have an issue with this if it makes people who get free money for college, welfare payments, EIC bennies, WIC payments, unemployment, and anything possible penny from the government. You need to pay for it through volunteering, forced volunteering or otherwise. Otherwise I don’t support this at all.

[tomkat]

[Markos33]

Your paypaz pleeze.

Your paypaz ah not in ordah.

[mylife]

Yer taking the kids right?

[Red Steel]

“National Civilian Community Corps” (NCCP)

Hmmmmmm...looks too close to this:

NCCP = CCCP

[azishot]

Read...my...lips...I will NEVER serve.

[DB]

“Social fabric” does not come from government.

Government does not know best.

Government does enough (as in too much) indoctrination through the public schools as it is.

I will not submit.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I will not go to any Obama camp. Ever.

Nor will I or any of my progeny. Ever.

[mylife]

Instead of Mein Kampf It will just be called “Hood Crib”

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

“Resistance is futile.”

[VideoPaul]

I believe this falls under the definition of “indentured servitude”. Exactly where is the civil rights crowd, massah???

[ETL]

From the Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam website, FinalCall.com...
Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):
"We are happy today to be standing side by side with the Nation of Islam. We believe, like the Nation of Islam and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad believe, in a nation of our own. We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology. We don’t worry about the criticism. We love all of those who labored in the Panther Party from the ’60s. Many are with us today."
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1858.shtml
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Millions More Movement rally
Washington D.C., October 15, 2005
Louis Farrakhan speech

Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005:

From Louis Farrakhan's "Nation Of Islam" website, FinalCall.com...
Re: Millions More Movement rally, Oct 15, 2005:

Unity generates power to change reality
By the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

"The time has never been more ripe for a strategic relationship between the Black, Brown, Native American and the poor of this nation and the world."

"We need a Ministry of Defense. Our young men are born soldiers, but they are in the wrong war. They are fighting a war in the streets of America against each other, or they are fighting an unjust war overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to bring our boys home and put them into the Ministry of Defense, so we can defend our communities, rather than destroy our communities.

We need a Ministry of Art and Culture. We applaud the hip hop community, the leaders of young people all over the world, but I want the young generation of artists to know there is a bigger purpose for art and culture than popping our fingers and shaking our backsides. Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform. Many of them were victims of opium, drugs and prostitution, like we are. But Mao Tse Tung went to the cultural community and they accepted his idea. Then, through song, dance, poetry, drama, documentaries, movies and books, the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people. China became a world power on the base of culture and the artistic community. If we had a Ministry of Art and Culture in every city, [we'd] create this movement [in the U.S.], we could say to our young people, “What is the idea of the Time and are you reflecting that idea in your songs, dance and music?

We need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce. Do you think that a Millions More Movement should not be involved in the development of Africa, the Caribbean and Central America? ... we need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce that can link the struggle here with Africa and the Caribbean, Central and South America.

Source: FinalCall.com
(note: this is Farrakhan's own "Nation Of Islam" website. However, the original page has 'mysteriously' been removed and it exists only in this linked cache form, thus the looong url -etl):
http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22We+need+a+Ministry+of+Defense.+Our+young+men+are+born+soldiers%2C+but+they+are+in+the+wrong+war.%22%22mao%22&fr=moz2&u=www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4328.shtml&w=%22we+need+a+ministry+of+defense+our+young+men+are+born+soldiers+but+they+are+in+the+wrong+war%22+mao&d=A4xrG52uSSxU&icp=1&.intl=us
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Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says
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"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."
http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/
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Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/

Video of Farrakhan's Obama endorsement at the above 'annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008'. Hear him (Farrakhan) call Obama "The Messiah" And speak of "universal change":
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=farrakhan+messiah+obama&aq=0&oq=Farrakhan+messiah

[Fiddlstix]

Ping

[AGreatPer]

"forced volunteering"

Are you nuts?

[little jeremiah]

I clicked and you have to search, is that what you meant to post?

And since I am dumm and cannot understand legalese or the high falutin’ language laws are written in, if you want to post what you are getting at, I’d appreciate it!

[BuckeyeTexan]

No. I will not be forced to volunteer for Obama.

I WILL DEFEND MYSELF AND MY FAMILY if it becomes necessary.

[piytar]

Mandatory work for no pay is slavery. If passed, it could be our Archduke Moment.

[omega4179]

DISSENT IS PATRIOTISM

[AbeLincoln]

Where in the bill does it require individuals to give 3 years of service? I couldn’t find it.

[tomkat]

Maybe, but if all of us take a couple of the bastards out on the way down we can make a sizable dent in the infestation . . .

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Try here: HR 1388

[little jeremiah]

Even if the people who get free money for all that crap have to “volunteer” for gov programs, said programs will all be leftist crap, and will cost MORE taxpayer money, and the programs will continue to undermine all that is (was) good about our country.

Rip the entire thing out by the root, or it will continue to produce the bitter fruit we are seeing right now. More leftist crap, more blind, deaf and dumb leftist sheep who are utterly dependent on Big Brother for every crumb.

[An Old Man]

I was thinking more along the lines of "The sayings of Chairman Mao President Barack"

[Shqipo]

>>>...increasing energy conservation<<<
-Enviro-Nazis rejoice: you'll finally be made official with uniforms and all. Time to embrace the 2nd Amendment even harder for regular Americans.

[Red Steel]

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H.R.1388
Title: To reauthorize and reform the national service laws.
Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] (introduced 3/9/2009)      Cosponsors (25)
Latest Major Action: 3/11/2009 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Ordered to be Reported (Amended) by the Yeas and Nays: 34 - 3.

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COSPONSORS(25), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]:     (Sort: by date)

Rep Altmire, Jason [PA-4] - 3/12/2009
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] - 3/9/2009
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 3/12/2009
Rep Courtney, Joe [CT-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 3/12/2009
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hare, Phil [IL-17] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] - 3/12/2009
Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] - 3/9/2009
Rep Klein, Ron [FL-22] - 3/12/2009
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] - 3/12/2009
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 3/12/2009
Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 3/12/2009
Rep Polis, Jared [CO-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 3/12/2009
Rep Sablan, Gregorio [MP] - 3/9/2009
Rep Sestak, Joe [PA-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Shea-Porter, Carol [NH-1] - 3/12/2009
Rep Tonko, Paul D. [NY-21] - 3/9/2009
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 3/12/2009
Rep Welch, Peter [VT] - 3/12/2009
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] - 3/12/2009

[PapaBear3625]

The program talks about earning "educational awards" via this service. What I suspect is the plan:

(1) Establish this "national service" as a way to get federal student aid for college;

(2) Soon to be followed by a reduction/elimination of other forms of federal student aid;

(3) Thus mandating a successful term of service as a condition for the non-wealthy getting through college. This term of service will take place under conditions where political orientation will be closely examined, indoctrination will be thorough, and the work will be for the benefit of Leftist organization.

I predict that this will be seen as a way to ensure that only the politically-correct will have access to professional careers.

[little jeremiah]

Problem is it would take me all today, tomorrow and the next day (at least) to read it, and I still would not understand one word.

I one high school dropout and legal technical language causes instant brainfreeze. Sad but true and I’m too old to learn.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I mean to resist this. Make no mistake. I have said so from the very moment I heard this idea leave 0bama's lips back in September '08. He'll rue the day he signs this into law if the legislation passes...which I predict it won't.

I was just presenting a little punnery in response to your post.

[Stentor]

-encourage members of the Baby Boom generation to partake in service opportunities

They can stuff it sideways.

[bootless]

We’ve been volunteered.

As I’ve said many times, Dear Leader’s slogan of “Change” is not a goal: it’s a demand.

[Red Steel]

`SEC. 115. PARTICIPATION OF STUDENTS AND TEACHERS FROM PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

`(a) In General- To the extent consistent with the number of students in the State, Territory, or Indian tribe or in the school district of the local educational agency involved who are enrolled in private nonprofit elementary and secondary schools, such State, Territory, Indian tribe, or agency shall (after consultation with appropriate private school representatives) make provision--

`(1) for the inclusion of services and arrangements for the benefit of such students so as to allow for the equitable participation of such students in the programs implemented to carry out the objectives and provide the benefits described in this part; and

`(2) for the training of the teachers of such students so as to allow for the equitable participation of such teachers in the programs implemented to carry out the objectives and provide the benefits described in this part.

`(b) Waiver- If a State, Territory, Indian tribe, or local educational agency is prohibited by law from providing for the participation of students or teachers from private nonprofit schools as required by subsection (a), or if the Corporation determines that a State, Territory, Indian tribe, or local educational agency substantially fails or is unwilling to provide for such participation on an equitable basis, the Chief Executive Officer shall waive such requirements and shall arrange for the provision of services to such students and teachers. Such waivers shall be subject to the requirements of sections 9503 and 9504 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 7883 and 7884).

[oldbrowser]

It makes me feel sick inside. If anyone else has another take please share?

I kind of like the idea if it were used in a positive way.

I think Israel has mandatory service for it's young people. I like the idea of the discipline of military service which instills national pride.

We have a great country but we are at a tipping point where we have more takers than we have givers. Everybody wants their "rights" but nobody ever talks about responsibilities.

If it were done correctly, I believe we could revive the American spirit which started to wither away fifty years ago.

That being said, if the present socialist administration has anything to do with it, it could spell the end of freedom as we know it.

[Pearls Before Swine]

The program talks about earning "educational awards" via this service. .....

I predict that this will be seen as a way to ensure that only the politically-correct will have access to professional careers.

There's another little gem to add to your list. It is the goal of the program that by 2011, at least 50% of the participants will be from disadvantaged youth (as defined in other sections of the bill).

[DB]

Wrong.

If you want to create an army of government indoctrinated robots fine. Otherwise it will lead to disaster. A army of kids to do their "social duty" by letting authorities know you put the wrong trash in the wrong recycle bin. Watered your garden at an unapproved time. Your porch light was on during the day. You had known disruptive people visit your home. There is no end to the government controlling an army of people where only government gets to set their priorities and define what is good for the whole or not. And what is "good" for the whole may not be good for the individual. America is about individual rights not what's best for the whole through the eyes of an elite social engineer accountable to no one.

If people want to go to college on the taxpayers dime join the military. Oh, we already do that...

This wrong in so many ways it is painful to have explain why...

[joygrace]

When I read this bill, I thought my heart was being pulled out of my chest.
Maybe this Bill is being tossed onto the House Floor to distract Congress away from the BUDGET. Congress has to STOP Obama's Budget too. Who knows?

"The first step in community organization is community disorganization. The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization. Present arrangements must be disorganized if they are to be displace by new patterns.... All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new." -Saul Alinsky,p.116, Rules for Radicals

[IrishPennant]

Thanks for the ping

This ain't gonna happen no matter whether it passes or not.

The Revolution will begin.

We are too freedom minded and the damned libturd Sheeple are far, far too lazy and comfy to put up with this.

[Marathoner]

Problem is it would take me all today, tomorrow and the next day (at least) to read it, and I still would not understand one word.

I'll save you the trouble. It's all a bunch of horsedung, take my word for it.