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Dept. of Agriculture stops fish fry pie sales
Beaver County (PA) Times Online ^ | 03/13/2009 | By Larissa Theodore

Posted on 03/15/2009 10:27:50 AM PDT by Glenn

ROCHESTER TWP. — Louis Slima looked over the apple, cherry and blueberry pies lining the dessert table at St. Cecilia’s Friday fish fry, trying to pick the best one.

The trouble was, Slima, 60, of New Sewickley Township, wanted homemade raisin pie, which for years has been one of his favorites at the event.

“This is the only time of year that I get them, during the Lenten season,” Slima said.

Not anymore. On Feb. 27, a Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture inspector stopped for an annual inspection at St. Cecilia’s kitchen in Rochester Township. The kitchen was spotless. But across the hall, the inspector caught sight of something troubling: women slicing pies, preparing to serve them to the public.

The inspector asked whether the pies had been baked in the church kitchen. They weren’t.

Chris L. Ryder, spokesman for the department, said the church was informed that since the pies didn’t come from an inspected, licensed kitchen, they couldn’t be served, according to Pennsylvania food code. Church-baked or store-bought pies are OK.

“Not only pies, but things that have been jarred at home or self-butchered meat, that type of thing,” Ryder said.

Any church, fair vendor or fire hall with a temporary food license serving the public on more than three occasions must be inspected each year. The agriculture department works with the state health department to perform inspections.

St. Cecilia’s is among many churches that host fish fries during Lent, a great fundraiser.

The Rev. Mike Greb said that for years, church women, many retired, have baked and donated pies for St. Cecilia’s dinners. Everything from coconut creme and apple strudel to pecan and lemon meringue pies poured in, and were their way of contributing. Greb said he sees both sides and understands the state is following procedure, but he also understands why the women are feeling as if the state overreacted.

“These women are master bakers and cooks … now their kitchens are suddenly suspect. Suddenly it’s considered dangerous.”

Ryder said that if the inspector hadn’t happened to see the women cutting the pies, the department wouldn’t have raised the question.

During St. Cecilia’s checkup, the inspector also took issue with a tray of covered pirogi left on a counter overnight.

Marlene Kislock, head of the kitchen, said the cooked pirogi were left out to cool and forgotten. They were later thrown out, she said.

St. Cecilia’s is the only venue recently warned, but Ryder said there were 16 instances last year in which temporary licensees received warnings.

For Slima, who ended up taking home a slice of blueberry pie, it was the homemade raisin pie he really wanted, whether it was carried or dragged in on the floor, he said. “A cup of coffee and raisin pie is just, whoa,” he said. “I miss that now.”


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Can't wait for Obama's version of food inspectors.

Lent will never be the same.

1 posted on 03/15/2009 10:27:50 AM PDT by Glenn
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To: Glenn

We’re from the government and we’re here to help you.


2 posted on 03/15/2009 10:30:34 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Just being a "U.S. citizen" does not make one an American.)
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To: Glenn

The “Department of Food” is an inevitability if the political class is to achieve total dominance over the population.


3 posted on 03/15/2009 10:31:19 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Glenn

I’ve been to more than my share of put luck dinners. Many times I didn’t serve myself from a particular dish simply because I had already visited the home of whoever prepared the dish.


4 posted on 03/15/2009 10:32:22 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Glenn

Just imagine what can be accomplished with 250,000 more bureaucrats! I can’t wait for Obama’s stimulus plan to kick in, can you? /s/


5 posted on 03/15/2009 10:32:53 AM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The inmates are now running the asylum


6 posted on 03/15/2009 10:33:10 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: FlingWingFlyer

>> We’re from the government and we’re here to help you.

You beat me to it! Damn Gummn’t a$$holes.


7 posted on 03/15/2009 10:33:38 AM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: QBFimi

GMTA! (Great minds...)


8 posted on 03/15/2009 10:34:26 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Just being a "U.S. citizen" does not make one an American.)
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To: fso301

“Many times I didn’t serve myself from a particular dish simply because I had already visited the home of whoever prepared the dish.”

LOL!!! There was a family at my church in Dallas who insisted on bringing food from their VERY UNSANITARY kitchen. One year at a Christmas Party they brought a bag of salad... a ROACH crawled out... the hostest saw it and dropped the whole mess on the floor - so it HAD to be trashed! UGH!!! We DID know where the good food came from!


9 posted on 03/15/2009 10:38:55 AM PDT by RebelTXRose
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To: Glenn
Can't wait for Obama's version of food inspectors.

Lent will never be the same.

That's because Lent is a Christian celebration and not one for "Zer0" or his pals and family.

10 posted on 03/15/2009 10:38:56 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: Gabz; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; nw_arizona_granny; ...

Food Police - Gardening ping


11 posted on 03/15/2009 10:39:30 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Glenn

I would not buy a pie or any home prepared food from somebody I didn’t know. For all I know their “children”, meaning pets, have free run of the kitchen. I’ve seen it. No thank you.

On the other hand it should be up to the consumer, not some nanny government agency.


12 posted on 03/15/2009 10:43:16 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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To: bamahead

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13 posted on 03/15/2009 10:44:19 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: Glenn
Wow,Don't they have wild game dinners in PA?

In my state, Michigan, wild game dinners are common fundraisers at sportsman's clubs.

Fish and game cooked by members, served to the public.

Money collected is considered donations because wild game can't be bought or sold.

14 posted on 03/15/2009 10:47:31 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Glenn

> Marlene Kislock, head of the kitchen, said the cooked pirogi were left out to cool and forgotten. They were later thrown out, she said.

Crikey! What a shameful waste! In my household there’s nothing much better than a plate of cold leftover pirogi for a midnite snack. Even if they were a day old...

Jolly bureaucrats! Why couldn’t the women just have a waiver form signed by the buyers of the pies, then everyone ought to be happy, no?


15 posted on 03/15/2009 10:47:51 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Graybeard58

> I would not buy a pie or any home prepared food from somebody I didn’t know. For all I know their “children”, meaning pets, have free run of the kitchen. I’ve seen it. No thank you.

I understand the sentiment, but... would you buy a pie or food from say a diner that you’d never visited before?

Of course you would. How is that different?


16 posted on 03/15/2009 10:50:38 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Glenn

Well..since the pies couldn’t be served because of the overzealous food inspector, perhaps the guests could express their opinions by hitting the inspector with about 25 pies!

There’s a certain justice in that.


17 posted on 03/15/2009 10:53:16 AM PDT by 5by5
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To: Glenn
They did the same thing to the Amish by requiring the temperature of fresh milk be lowered to a point where they could not comply,So they simply went into the cheese business.
18 posted on 03/15/2009 10:54:04 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

The small distinction is that diners are inspected and I doubt that many of them have pets running loose in the kitchen.


19 posted on 03/15/2009 10:56:02 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I miss the pirogis I used to buy in Brooklyn...could you possibly give me your pirogi recipe?

Thanks,

Ed


20 posted on 03/15/2009 10:56:11 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: DieHard the Hunter

If the diner is clean and has their licenses, including their health inspections, yes. If it’s not clean, no. If you only know what lurked in some kitchens you wouldn’t ever eat out.


21 posted on 03/15/2009 10:57:23 AM PDT by CajunConservative (F U 0bama)
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To: Graybeard58

And you trust the inspections? The same people cooking in the diner could have the same “children” at home. Sometimes the rationalizations crack me up.


22 posted on 03/15/2009 10:58:44 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit ((Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding))
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To: Glenn

But during recession they lay off police and fire but keep the chuch kitchen inspectors.


23 posted on 03/15/2009 10:59:00 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Yes, Gorbachev is better than Obama. At least Gorbachev admitted he was a Communist)
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To: Graybeard58

Man, I live for our church pot luck meals.

Just had a soup and sandwitch today. I have to cruise the line at least three times. The Taco Soup was a big hit today.


24 posted on 03/15/2009 10:59:58 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: Glenn

They find this a problem....but miss the contaminated peanuts....or imported veggies???

Sheeeeeshhhhhh.....


25 posted on 03/15/2009 11:03:46 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: fso301

LOL

Right on!

I do not eat home cooked food - don’t know if the people have cats at home - for example.


26 posted on 03/15/2009 11:04:03 AM PDT by ASOC (On strike until Congress lowers THEIR wages)
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To: Red_Devil 232; Gabz; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; ...
Food Police - Gardening ping

Something you might find interesting.
HR 875

27 posted on 03/15/2009 11:06:59 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Glenn

They did this where I live and we did bake everything in the kitchen for one thing and then we decided to ignore them and just personally told everyone that they should bake them at home and then we’d cut them and wrap them in the church kitchen. Some busybody from our own church ratted us out so we contacted our local state politicians and now we are able to do it. I don’t know how long it will last but they wouldn’t even let you have bake sales!

I think it is big business who is afraid you aren’t going to be buying from them but the stoopid idiots get our money for the ingredients.


28 posted on 03/15/2009 11:08:21 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: spodefly

I think that the USDA would be appalled by what goes on in kitchens at private homes across the country. They will probably have to shut them down and you can only eat at government kitchens.


29 posted on 03/15/2009 11:22:09 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Graybeard58

Inspected once a year; and their ‘pets’ are liable to be of the feral, verminous variety.

And that is whether it’s a hotdog cart, roach-coach, fast-food joint, a diner, a ‘family restaurant’ or a ‘fine dining’ establishment.

Franchised is no guarantee, either; think “(W)affle House”.


30 posted on 03/15/2009 11:25:28 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: tiki

When I was a kid, the ladies at St Elizabeth’s used to make Hurka and Kolbasz (Hungarian sausage) once a month. You could not get any finer.


31 posted on 03/15/2009 11:26:38 AM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: Glenn

Sad to see my beloved hometown, and the church of my childhood, in the news for such a rancid reason.


32 posted on 03/15/2009 11:29:00 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Winners and lovers shape the future. Whiners and losers TRY TO PREDICT IT.)
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To: ebshumidors; Glenn

Nor, I’ll bet, could you get it anywhere else.

...but look at the Muslims making a bloody mess slaughtering and serving their “sacrifices” during Eid.


33 posted on 03/15/2009 11:29:44 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Glenn

The idiot local government decided that homemade food donated to the homeless shelter could not be accepted.

So our youth group had to throw the turkey they had bought and cooked in the dumpster.

As soon as the officials were gone, the homeless folks went dumster diving for that turkey...

Sheez. Government is an A@@.


34 posted on 03/15/2009 11:34:28 AM PDT by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: patton
But that was an inspected dumpster!
35 posted on 03/15/2009 11:44:06 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: tiki

It isn’t big business. We don’t care. What do you have, maybe 4 bake sales per year? Hardly going to hurt the average grocery store. And you’re right, you do buy the ingredients from us.

I own a grocery store and am inspected by USDA twice a year (used to be four times). I am not allowed to sell anything that is not cut or made in the store.

Every hunting/holiday season, people come in asking me to butcher a carcass or slice the country ham they received as a gift. I can’t do it. USDA will shut me down.

I made and canned my own pasta sauces and sold them by the quart out of my deli. USDA shut that down because the jars did not have an ingredients list and was not inspected and approved by the state lab (in my case, UVA Medical Center). I have to send a sample along with all the ingredients and their source (where I got them from), plus pay them a large fee for approval. Wasn’t worth the hassle then but I’m thinking about doing it again.

You folks (church groups, hunt clubs, civic orgs, etc.) can do it because all you need is on one-time, local permit. No feds involved.

I entered the local Chili Cookoff a few years ago. The event had a local permit and the local Health Inspector looked at everyone’s setup. I was allowed to sell the stuff at the event but forbidden to take it back to the store and can it because I was a retailer and under USDA regs.

Sheesh, I spend as much time trying to keep up with all the federal, state, and local food laws as I do actually selling the stuff.

P.S. Send me a pie. Nothing better than home-made!!!


36 posted on 03/15/2009 11:44:25 AM PDT by CTOCS (Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.)
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To: Glenn
another straw on the camels back
37 posted on 03/15/2009 11:52:18 AM PDT by Charlespg
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To: ApplegateRanch

I would laugh, if it weren’t so tragic.


38 posted on 03/15/2009 11:53:12 AM PDT by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: Glenn
Chris L. Ryder, spokesman for the department, said the church was informed that since the pies didn’t come from an inspected, licensed kitchen, they couldn’t be served, according to Pennsylvania food code. Church-baked or store-bought pies are OK.

We can expect more and more of this with a Democratic administration in power as they ramp up government intervention on private citizens, always all in the name of safety and protection, but really to control every aspect of our lives.

Frankly, I would rather take my chances with zero government intervention. People are quite capable of self correction; people are quite capable of following standards to support hygiene, cleanliness, to produce healthy and safe foodstuffs. There are already plenty of laws around to follow up if a customer is hurt by someone's carelessness.

39 posted on 03/15/2009 11:54:49 AM PDT by olezip
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To: PeteB570
Man, I live for our church pot luck meals. That's 2 of us. I'm not really as picky as I came off sounding.


40 posted on 03/15/2009 11:57:18 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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To: Glenn

The women should have announced to the visitors they couldn’t sell the pies but they could give them away. I’ll bet if people had known the whole story they would have eaten the free pie and donated more money than if it had been sold.


41 posted on 03/15/2009 11:59:41 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Glenn

We’re here to make you safe. Now, if you’ll just give us a little of what’s left of your freedom, we’ll check those pies.


42 posted on 03/15/2009 12:01:43 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: Charlespg

I remember the good old days, when we were trusted to make up our own minds.


Our Volunteer Fire Dept used to have wonderful community fundraisers. The Health Dept stepped in and did the same thing regarding the pies. This stops fundraising.

The little Methodist Church up the road combatted the fund-raising police. They go to the CHURCH kitchen at midnight and start frying the chicken. Because it couldn’t be fried in the women’s own homes The health dept has shown up in the middle of the night to police them.

That’s right, the oppressive nanny state that is Illinois shows up to police the church ladies.

Attempt to stop fundraising for faith-based people? Can I get an Amen?


43 posted on 03/15/2009 12:04:57 PM PDT by Winstons Julia
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To: Glenn

I heard Obama on the radio a couple days ago, saying that only the government can determine if food is safe.


44 posted on 03/15/2009 12:05:06 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: CTOCS
No, you are not ‘the enemy’; you're in the same under-the-thumb position as the rest of us.

As to somewhat understandably not being allowed to cut game or slice gift hams, try being refused slicing of packaged meat, still wrapped and in the meat-case.

Couldn't be done, because it was beef, and pork was currently being cut. FDA would require the saw and other equipment to be totally cleaned and sanitized before cutting the beef; then repeated before going back to the pork, to prevent ‘adulteration and cross-contamination’.

Wasn't the store's nor the butcher on duty's fault. Had I wanted whole pork shoulders or fresh hams sliced, would have been, and had been before, done right away. I just showed up at the wrong time that day.

Safety, yes; safetied to death, so life no longer has any savor, no. There's too much I already miss, without losing more.

Too bad bureaucrats and legislators, in a fit of self-serving zeal, outlawed tar & feathers being applied to them. To me, that should be at least as much “protected political speech”, as the the Lefty’s “anti war” and “gay rights” protesters’ antics.

45 posted on 03/15/2009 12:12:42 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: Glenn
If home cooked stuff were such a hazard half of the Midwest would have died from pies and hot dishes eaten at church dinners. Hundreds have been sickened recently in this area from salmonella tainted alfalfa sprouts that were commercial grown and certified ORGANIC.
46 posted on 03/15/2009 12:16:09 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

“And you trust the inspections?”

You got that right. There’s a Chinese take-out kitchen where the cute little kids are part of the “ambiance”. One day I picked up an order and the kids were splashing around inside one of the large stainless sinks.


47 posted on 03/15/2009 12:21:29 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: patton; Larry Lucido; Cagey; Mr. Brightside

“The idiot local government decided that homemade food donated to the homeless shelter could not be accepted. So our youth group had to throw the turkey they had bought and cooked in the dumpster. As soon as the officials were gone, the homeless folks went dumster diving for that turkey...”

At least it wasn’t muffin stumps.


48 posted on 03/15/2009 12:24:26 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Glenn; All

Will the 0’bama gov’ment soon pull Capt. Sullenberger’s Pilot’s license because he did not file the proper Flight Plan to put down in the Hudson River. /sarc


49 posted on 03/15/2009 12:25:05 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (My Tee shirt for 2009-2012:" I voted FRED don't you wish you did")
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To: Glenn

Is the area in question a blue zone or red zone? I know if a food inspector tried to pull this at my GF’s country church there’d be so much hell raised at the next County Commissioner’s meeting the Health Inspector would end up feeling like he’d received a Habanerno colonic.


50 posted on 03/15/2009 12:27:56 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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