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1 posted on 03/15/2009 12:35:41 PM PDT by george76
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To: bamahead; SunkenCiv; LucyT

not about safety.

They are about generating cash for municipalities


2 posted on 03/15/2009 12:37:29 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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I’ve seen pictures from the U.K. of how people sometimes deal with this. They hang an old tire containing a few ounces of gasoline around the camera and set a match to it.


7 posted on 03/15/2009 1:12:30 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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The $75 citation

Here in Sacramento it is $370.

8 posted on 03/15/2009 1:13:58 PM PDT by ColdWater
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If the camera doesn’t get a clear photo of the driver, what do they do then? I mean, you just can’t issue a ticket to a car, especially if there are multiple people that drive the car. Who broke the law? Everyone denies and the police will not waste the time and resources to prove the case. Remember, the burden of proof is on the state to prove who was driving, the driver has not burden to prove he was not driving.

Just how do “they” handle cases like this?


9 posted on 03/15/2009 1:16:46 PM PDT by Hulka
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I just got flashed last week up in PA...I had to make a split second decision as to whether I could stop when it turned yellow without getting hit in the arse and decided to keep going...saw it turn red just as I was passing under it (very short yellow I might add) and then in rear view saw the flash.

Bastards.


11 posted on 03/15/2009 1:22:02 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("From hell's heart I stab at thee... I spit my last breath at thee." ~ Khan Noonien Singh)
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Keep warning that the box we free people are placed in is getting smaller and smaller. Within a few years, all citizens will be slaves of Government and the Government will be communists. American citizens have little voice now and will have less in the future. How do we stop it?


13 posted on 03/15/2009 1:26:05 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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Damn Government. The yellow light should be longer to prevent sudden breaking that increase rear ends. Looks like the revolution is sooner than we think or it is time to throw all incumbents out of office and elect citizen intelligent friendly people. It's up to us to make the change.
15 posted on 03/15/2009 1:35:16 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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While studies show fewer T-bone crashes at lights with cameras and fewer drivers running red lights, the number of rear-end crashes increases.

Unintended consequences.

16 posted on 03/15/2009 1:35:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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If cities were required to drop sales tax and property tax penny for penny the amount collect on light cams then they would be removed. IT'S ALL ABOUT REVENUE!!! Even the Police Chief of Knoxville, TN goes to neighboring towns shilling for them.

Revenue collection oriented law enforcement has become a considerable danger to the general public and an infringement upon rights in the property confiscation {forfeiture} portion of it. It is becoming a revenue Oligarchy. But I'll just address saftey.

On one stretch of interstate on I-75 in Knoxville for example it isn't uncommon to see 8 or more cruisers {some are unmarked} in a two mile stretch in the median. These morons park as to face oncoming traffic then when Barney sees a speeder Barney quickly pulls out against {facing} traffic and does a U-Turn across three lanes of traffic. Barney thinks it's safe because Barney has his blue light on. In the mean time people are having to swerve and maneuver in congested traffic to keep from hitting Barney or someone else getting out of his way so Barney can make his quota. STOP REVENUE ORIENTED LAW ENFORCEMENT NOW!

Oh and I forgot to mention thses sorry tyrants put a red light camera at a place where they can be sure to catch persons taking someone to the cities second busiest Emergency Room be it even at 2:00am and no traffic where a flashing yellow would suffice. One of the least busiest intersections but one where a person in an emergency might need to run it if traffic allows to do so safely. It's all about revenue.

17 posted on 03/15/2009 1:45:05 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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We have a serious problem with red-light runners here; so I would welcome tighter enforcement. However, if red-light cameras are bought in **; the levels of the fines should be reduced (especially when they're as high as in Sacramento!).

Fines are meant to serve as a deterrent. They are set high enough to get broad compliance; even if only a small percentage of offenders are caught. When you make it virtually certain that offenders (or innocent registered car owners) get caught — there's no justification for keeping the fine so high.

Any amount of a fine higher than necessary to achieve compliance with the law; is simply a cash grab.

** (Don't get me started on the horrors of becoming a surveillance society.)

18 posted on 03/15/2009 1:51:06 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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While studies show fewer T-bone crashes at lights with cameras and fewer drivers running red lights, the number of rear-end crashes increases.



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21 posted on 03/15/2009 2:03:09 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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I’ve read stories of kids photographing the plates of teachers, then printing copies of the plates and putting them on a similar make and model of car, and intentionally running a light. Guess who gets the ticket?

Maybe if we start doing the same for our municipal “leaders” they will get the message....


28 posted on 03/15/2009 2:21:16 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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I’m glad these things haven’t infested the Augusta area yet.


35 posted on 03/15/2009 2:49:22 PM PDT by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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48 posted on 03/15/2009 4:29:29 PM PDT by MaxMax (RINO=RAT!)
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Here’s a wonderful example of those great cameras. Every time someone turns left at one intersection and hits the corner spot that would be hit by someone running the red on the other side, a bunch of flashes go off. Or the mega-tour bus that was waiting for a left turn, but couldn’t make it due to its size. The red light camera kept flashing until the light finally turned green and the bus was able to go through.


49 posted on 03/15/2009 4:46:07 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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