Posted on 03/16/2009 11:35:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
We warned you that Barak Obama would publicly deny his radical anti-gun agenda, while engaging in "stealth" attacks on private gun ownership. The most recent example is a directive from the Department of Defense that will severely aggravate the current ammunition shortage.
For those who either don't own guns (or have been living in a cave) supplies of ammunition are getting alarmingly low. Many retailers report shelves virtually empty of popular pistol and rifle ammo.
Most ammunition manufacturers depend on reclaiming used brass cartridge cases from the military, that are then recycled to make new ammunition. It is a system that has benefited both the military and the private sector, not to mention saving the taxpayer's money.
So it is beyond comprehension at a time of serious ammunition shortages, as well as budget shortfalls, that ammunition manufacturers would receive a letter stating the following:
"Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction.
Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government."
Now, one has to be curious about WHO suddenly decided to mandate a new policy that makes a bad situation worse, has no benefit to the military, and will result in an increase in costs to the American taxpayer, precisely when the government is running a gigantic deficit.
But of course we know the real reason behind such actions - after losing a number of elections both locally and nationally, the anti-gun radicals have learned that the way to succeed is to avoid highly public confrontations like wholesale gun bans.
Instead they have adopted "incrementalism" - stealth campaigns that slowly rob legitimate gun owners of their ability to exercise their rights. They know that they don't need to take your guns away if they can simply make it more and more complex, expensive, and difficult to own and use your guns.
So, obviously, something like an ammo shortage is a dream come true for the gun haters. Why bother with their guns when simply denying them ammunition makes their firearms useless?
One wonders when gun owners who were stupid enough to have voted for Obama (and his like minded Democrats in the Congress) will finally stop denying the obvious.
Force the Dems to vote against it.
Defeat the Dems next year!
ping
There has been discussion about this on some other forums and it has been suggested that this may be a mistake or something else and will be rectified. I don’t know but it’s something that I would expect from “zero” and it is huge.
When a friend of mine recently bought 4,000 rounds of ammo (of varying caliber) at a Virginia gun show (most) in hugh sealed cans, I thought he was being paranoid.
Well, I was wrong. I hope the 400 rounds of 357 and 20ga will last me
http://www.gibrass.com/brass.html
“There has been discussion about this on some other forums and it has been suggested that this may be a mistake or something else and will be rectified. I don’t know but it’s something that I would expect from “zero” and it is huge.”
I don’t know if its real or not, but I would suspect that Obama would prefer to tax ammo than raise the cost by restricting brass. Restricting brass loses the govt money, where a tax would net the feds income. Of course they could be planning to do BOTH.
Maybe not. Gun forums are discussing this and it’s not sure that’s what is going on. Here’s a good discussion.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344718
For one to BLOAT, someone else must SLOAT.
Got any leads?
So I guess Obama’s against recycling. Not very “green” of him.
Don’t worry, folks. The Chinese will step in and bail us out! /sarc
To all FReepers: Call the NRA at 1-800-392-8683 and request they get involved in this.
THe government doesn't care in the least about losing money. They don't work for it - they just take it from those of us who do work.
Ummm....There was further discussion, and THIS popped up :
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2247011&convertTo=USD
There are a lot of pretty sensible folks at The Firing Line,and the general conclusion was: This is a BS story-put into circulation by folks who wanted to rile us up.
There are a LOT of “let’s-rile-’em-up “ stories out there.
So the shell casings are now worth their value as scrap.
What overseas company will get it all?
It wont stay in the US, that’s a guarantee.
I doubt an american ammo mfg will get to use the supply of shredded brass, even to melt it down and start from scratch.
China, Korea, or some other huge buyer of US recycled material will get it all.
Maybe it will come back to us, as pieces of the old Chicago elevated trains system came back to us in WWII.
ping
We have to make sure that THEY make the first objectionable move - not us.
That’s why 10th amendment legislation at the state level is so necessary.
So what the article is saying is that the ammo we buy has used military brass??? OK for say .308/.223/9mm but 30-30/.45/30-06/30 carbine (do they still use that?) - you folks with those 50cal’s are in big trouble ....
Maybe. But, I remember that one a few months back about coming shortages of 9mm and .380ACP ammo, and I've been unable to find any .380ACP anywhere - online, in gunshops, even at Wally World.
Sometimes those stories turn out to be true.
The brass sale referenced at post #15 is taking place on Sloat Avenue!! Is that an omen, or what?
Thanks for the post. I sent this to non-freepers who are gun owners.
Restricting brass loses the govt money, where a tax would net the feds income. Of course they could be planning to do BOTH.””
IMO, NObama does NOT care a hoot how much money the government spends. He talks a good speech about saving money= especially at the Pentagon and on the military, but he is lying about everything.
Every time his lips move- telepromptor or not- HE is LYING. How much longer before someone really gets upset over his moves?
Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor after FDR denied them scrap metal, as I recall.
You recall wrong. FDR shut off their oil. (back when we were oil exporters)
You may be right. I find tons of links to sites talking about it, but no .gov or .mil sites with the source info.
No links to the govt source info, people!
Nothing on governmnet suprlus.gov, except for the usual scrap contracts.
Is it that he lies?
Or is it that what he says has no relation to his actual agenda, actions or plans?
If it is true.....look to your local and State Prisons. They go through a lot of ammo on their practice ranges. May not be exactly what your are looking for but I got thousands of casings for .38’s.
The Civiliam Marksmenship Program (CMP) is next. Like a good Marxist, Obama will shut it down just like Jimmy Carter did.
http://www.odcmp.com/about_us.htm
“Obama Administration Stabs Gun Owners in the Back”
I would not consider that Obama stabbed anyone in the back. Everyone knew these actions would be coming.
I’m with you on that assessment.
The headline pre-supposes that gun owners thought 0bama was friendly to their cause.
That's entirely possible. Political psy-ops, hoping to spark something that they could then use.
I would not consider that Obama stabbed anyone in the back. Everyone knew these actions would be coming.
Kind of reminds me of this story:
Once upon a time, a woman was picking up firewood. She came upon a poisonous snake frozen in the snow. She took the snake home and nursed it back to health. One day the snake bit her on the cheek. As she lay dying, she asked the snake, "Why have you done this to me?" And the snake answered, "Look, b****, you knew I was a snake."
Wasn’t it both oil and scrap metal?
This is not BS. Go to Georgia Arms website at www.georgia-arms.com. They are one of the largest re-manufacturers of military brass in the country and are major vendors at gunshows throughout the South. Their headline banner explains exactly what the DOD has done. I spoke with the owner this morning to confirm.
That is exactly the thought that the Jews boarding the trains for "The East" were thinking!
You know what happened to them!
Yeah, I think it’s true. Check post #7.
I don't doubt that Georgia Arms has verified that they received that notice. Has anyone confirmed it with DOD? There seem to be some discrepancies between what Georgia Arms was told and the last-known copy of the Demil classifications.
“One wonders when gun owners who were stupid enough to have voted for Obama (and his like minded Democrats in the Congress) will finally stop denying the obvious.”
I’d like to talk to anybody who voted for Obama, or, second best, read their psychoanalyst’s diagnosis of their disorder.
bttt
If you can’t defeat the second amendment, then remove the ammunition availability making the guns irrelevant later once what they have is gone.
the japanese bombed pearl harbor because the democrat fdr was putting all japo-americans in concentration camps...
hehehe this rewriting history is kind a fun.
teeman
And they think this is funny...
Would the only reason the 5th largest distributor of ammunition in the US put information like this out there for us to see, would be to cause a further inflation of ammo prices to the civilian market...
That would be Georgia Arms...I actually called them Friday and got their voicemail during business hours...???
At this point I am wondering if this is what they want us to believe...
I do not think anyone is riled up, but some of us are not surprised by any of this...
Just spoke to a buddy who is in the Army Reserves, got back from Iraq about a year ago. They have a Reserve meeting this weekend. Only those who absolutely need to qualify can shoot, not enough ammo. Something is going on.
Calm down guys, before some FReepers start meeting Secret Service in a professional setting. Playing keyboard commando isn't worth it.
I visit FR everyday and while I don't read every post and reply I haven't heard anything here that was as bad or worse than what "zero" heard in the front row of rev. wright's ucc.
This is an OPEN site. There have been Freepers who have been investigated for their more outspoken posts before. We have people openly talking of armed resistance here, how long till a visit from one of the alphabet soup boys?
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