[GodGunsGuts]

Ping!

[steve-b]

If the global Flood, as described in Genesis 7–8, really occurred, what evidence would we expect to find?

We would expect to find fossils jumbled in random order.

Instead, we find fossils in the specific order of evolutionary descent.

Flood hypothesis disproven.

QED

[helpfulresearcher]

Solid rock is not so solid under pressure, moisture, and heat, and for long periods of time. Folded rock is very common and very well understood and predictable from both lab experiments and field work.

Metamorphic rocks are almost always from folded strata. It happens all over and all the time. This is really basic stuff.

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

Sorry, but plate tectonics say otherwise.

[GonzoGOP]

The only way is for all the sedimentary layers to be laid down in rapid succession and then be folded while still soft and pliable.

Opposite is the case. The way to bend rock is constant pressure over very long periods of time. An analog familiar to any of us who bought low cost Walmart furniture in college is particle board. Think of the board as sedimentary rock. Lots of small particles glued together. Try to bend it fast and the glue breaks at the edges of the particles. Now use the particle board as a shelf and stack a bunch of heavy text books on it. At first it will not appear to deflect much at all. Let it sit there for a year and when you come back it will be bent into a bow shape. No cracks just bent. And when you take the weight off it stays bent.

Another example is glass. It flows very slowly, so slowly that it takes hundreds of years for the flow to be noticeable. The windows in the old cathedrals are one of the few places you can see it. Sedimentary rock is a Non-Newtonian fluid. Bend it fast and it acts like a solid. Bend it very very slowly and it acts like a liquid.

The other option is to heat it, but that would change its properties, for example turning it into granite. But that is visible in the rock and would not be part of the cases discussed.

I'm not arguing the religion/science part of this, I'm just talking about the properties of rock.

[tacticalogic]

If the fossils are the result of animals killed by the flood, and Noah didn't take any of the fish or other aquatic animals aboard the arc because they would survive the flood, then all of the fossils should be land animals.

There should be no fossils of aquatic animals to speak of, since they wouldn't have been killed, and therefore wouldn't have left any fossils behind.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

FWIW, ice-age floods (from the melting of the monster ice-sheet that covered most of Canada, and large parts of the U.S.) were so massive that they sculpted geographic features.

[Bob Eimiller]

Bump to save

[calex59]

Who cares? There was either a flood or there wasn’t. The world formed naturally or God made it, life was created or started spontaneously. Whether or not any of these things are true, no matter which side you take,right now those of us in the US need to think about Bozo and how to get him out of office,peacefully of course, before the next several years have passed. If we don’t you won’t have to worry about religious texts, theories or facts because religion, except for perhaps Islam, will be gone in the US, along with many other freedoms, particularly the freedom to express ones self or to defend ones self. Get with it and stop worrying about stuff that doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter because if someone doesn’t believe the flood took place that doesn’t mean it didn’t. Follow your faith and let other people alone about it and concentrate on the terrible threats we face now in our own country.

[Non-Sequitur]

Wouldn’t we expect to find rock layers all over the earth that are filled with billions of dead animals and plants that were rapidly buried and fossilized in sand, mud, and lime? Yes, and that’s exactly what we find...

Well then wouldn't you also expect to find fossilized horses, cows, dogs, sheep, camels, and all the other modern forms of animal life that Noah cou;dn't take on the ark at that same layer? Not to mention fossils of all the people who were not left on the ark? How's that going?

[demshateGod]

Thanks for the Ping. I’m listening to a voice recording of The Pilgrim’s Progress. I just listened to Christian’s and Faithful’s discourse about a man named Shameful. Shameful’s arguments against Christianity are rehearsed everyday on your posts by the FR agnostics.

It’s enlightening that these same arguments which assaulted Christians when Bunyan’s book was written (1678) are put forth here. The very same ones. Darwin’s tree, or Voltaire’s essays, or Marx’s book didn’t give rise to the skepticism and rejection of scripture of modern men. They give cover to the Worldly Wisemen of the day.

If you’ve never read the book, it’s highly recommended.

[xander]

There are many variables here which make deciphering the event very challenging.

Once the flood waters subside there would have been land locked fishes which would have certainly perished during evaporation; leaving fossils. There is also a possibility that surviving birds could have fed on these fishes transporting the carcasses to other locations; removing fossils. In addition flooding on the scale described would also cause enormous erosion, transportation, and deposition events which would really mess up any theory of a well-sorted fossil record.

The flood certainly could have taken place and in most likelihood was the result of a glacial dam break, or series of breaks, that could have occurred many hundreds of miles away. Since the perceived size of the world back then was in reality quite small this recorded event may have been much smaller than the biblical account indicates.

[MortMan]

I need to have my eyes checked... I wondered why “Rock Lawyers” were being folded!

[Mmmike]

Hi guys, I would just like to point out that the Christian faith didn’t always come down to these questions about evolution. The faith is bigger and more rock-solid than that. God speaks to us in the Bible through other people in various ways. Different parts of it use different literary forms and serve different purposes. If you try to straightjacket the Bible it will not come out looking very good. The faith is a relationship between persons (us and God). We need to look at how the Bible came into being over the centuries to understand it better. We can’t do it all ourselves from the ground up, because there’s so much that we don’t know.