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Feds Undercut Civilian Supply of Ammunition (UPDATE POST 68!)
WorldnetDaily.com ^ | Drew Zahn | Drew Zahn

Posted on 03/17/2009 7:47:08 PM PDT by Viking2002

A recent government policy change has taken a bite out of the nation's already stressed ammunition supply, leaving arms dealers scrambling to find bullets for private gun owners.

Georgia Arms is a company that for the last 15 years has been purchasing fired brass shell casings from the Department of Defense and private government surplus liquidators. The military collects the discarded casings from fired rounds, then sells them through liquidators to companies like Georgia Arms that remanufacture the casings into ammunition for the law enforcement and civilian gun owner communities.

But earlier this month, Georgia Arms received a canceled order, informed by its supplier that the government now requires fired brass casings be mutilated, in other words, destroyed to a scrap metal state.

The policy change, handed down from the Department of Defense through the Defense Logistics Agency, cuts a supply leg out from underneath ammunition manufacturers.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bho44; bhobanglist; bloat; disarm; guns; obama
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Looks like the Occupation will do anything - including an end-run around our elected officials - to disarm us by fiat, the seditious SOB's.


1 posted on 03/17/2009 7:47:09 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: Viking2002; glock rocks; SouthTexas

More of the same...


2 posted on 03/17/2009 7:51:03 PM PDT by tubebender (99% of Lawyers give the rest a bad name...)
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To: Viking2002

The leftists in DC are going to use the chaos in Mexico to dilute the 2nd amendment. Never waste a good crisis, right? Now it’s a Senator complaining.

Senators want to fight Mexican drug cartels’ expanding influence

UPDATED: 08:15 PM EDT 03.17.09

WASHINGTON (CNN) http://m.cnn.com/cnn/lt_ne/lt_ne/detail/266798/full

[snip]A bloody war between Mexican drug cartels is no longer solely a south-of-the-border problem, members of Congress said Tuesday at a hearing on the issue.

The violence accompanying those battles has crept into the United States, and is believed to be largely fueled by money and guns from America, said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois.

“The drugs are coming north, and we’re sending money and guns south,” said Durbin, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs. “As a result, these cartels have gained extraordinary power.”

About 90 percent of guns seized in Mexican raids are traced back to the United States, according to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, he said. About 2,000 firearms cross the border into Mexico daily, according to the Brookings Institution, he added.

However, the violence has skyrocketed, Goddard said, with a new and appalling trend: assassinations of police officers, prosecutors and other officials who are combating cartels.

“The casual fallout is going to be significant if we can’t do something to try to assist Mexico in stopping it south of the border,” Goddard said.

Efforts by Arizona authorities to fight the violence include intercepting wire transfer payments to smugglers of drugs and of human beings, Goddard said. Between 2003 and 2007, he said, Arizona seized about $17 million in such transfers.
... he said, as the cartels, faced with increasing law enforcement surveillance in one area, will simply take their crimes elsewhere.

And authorities must target the masterminds and leaders behind the violence, he said: “Just arresting and deporting foot soldiers is a waste of critical assets.”


3 posted on 03/17/2009 7:51:14 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Viking2002

They used to cast cannon out of brass, didn’t they?


4 posted on 03/17/2009 7:52:25 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Viking2002

How much more carbon will it take to mine, refine, manufacture and ship all this brass (copper and steel)?


5 posted on 03/17/2009 7:53:25 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Wiseghy
According to JPFO this has been repealed, thanks to many phone calls to some powerful congress critters.

Go to JPFO.org. It should be posted there.

6 posted on 03/17/2009 7:56:07 PM PDT by basil ( It's time to eliminate all "Gun Free Zones")
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To: tubebender
Note from Georgia Arms:

Dear Loyal Customers,

Thanks to your voice, DOD has rescinded the order to mutilate all spent cases as of 4:30 pm on 3/17/09. We appreciate the time and effort that you expended, together we all made a difference. We will be posting the email we received from DOD as well as any additional information within the next 12-16 hours. Thanks so much and lets get to work!!! Georgia Arms

Apparently several congressmen (D and R as it turns out) reacted very quickly to the flood of complaints about this amusing little attempt to sneak in a major gun control action. Woo hoo!

7 posted on 03/17/2009 7:56:11 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: Viking2002

Prepare to disobey.


8 posted on 03/17/2009 7:58:27 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Mao was a community organizer, too.)
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To: Trod Upon

It’s been rescended.


9 posted on 03/17/2009 7:59:29 PM PDT by WVNight (We havn't played Cowboys and Muslims yet....)
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To: Viking2002

Reloading components have shot through the roof. Primers were $10/1000 in the early part of this decade, they are now $33/1000. Bullets are up and now once fired brass will be all but impossible to find.


10 posted on 03/17/2009 7:59:41 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: All

There is no way in hell that 90% of recovered guns were traced back to the US. The water is starting to boil on the frog, and it just sits there. Getting so I can’t take any more good news (S)


11 posted on 03/17/2009 8:01:09 PM PDT by gunner03
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To: AzSteven

I am stunned speechless!


12 posted on 03/17/2009 8:05:24 PM PDT by tubebender (99% of Lawyers give the rest a bad name...)
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To: Trod Upon
Next payday: another gun.


13 posted on 03/17/2009 8:05:50 PM PDT by Viking2002 (The Occupation has begun. God help America.)
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To: Viking2002
But earlier this month, Georgia Arms received a canceled order, informed by its supplier that the government now requires fired brass casings be mutilated, in other words, destroyed to a scrap metal state.

Aside from Second Amendment implications, how much more will this cost the taxpayers?

bama is already planning to make major cuts to the defense budget. Now, presumably, they will have to pay someone to "mutilate" these spent casings, and they will also get less for them than before.

Insane.

14 posted on 03/17/2009 8:05:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AzSteven; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

Please backtrack to Posts 6 & 7.


15 posted on 03/17/2009 8:08:55 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: Viking2002
I remember Pat Paulson comedically running for President and he once joked "Hey, I am firmly against Gun Control. ....the answer is, we just lock up all the bullets."

People roared and laughed. Little did they know in 1968 what 2009 would turn into...

16 posted on 03/17/2009 8:13:07 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (2010 Conservative GOP sweep of primaries (knocking off RINO after RINO) and then winning in Nov)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The damned HazMat fee went up to 22.50 also.

It won’t pay to reload soon. I’m glad I grabbed a good load of Surplus powder about 7 years back.


17 posted on 03/17/2009 8:15:16 PM PDT by headstamp 2 ("Government is a disease masquerading as it's own cure")
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To: Viking2002

This is a two for one for the liberals:

They get to cut funds for the military and disarm the populace.


18 posted on 03/17/2009 8:17:00 PM PDT by SeminoleSoldier
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To: Viking2002

You’ve got that right!!


19 posted on 03/17/2009 8:17:58 PM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: freema

Thanks freema...


20 posted on 03/17/2009 8:20:45 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Obama: Succeeding Where Bin Laden Failed)
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To: Viking2002
Bet the rent the once fired brass price is MUCH higher than the scrap price, so the DOD is pissing away that money.

Watch out for what they do to primers next.

21 posted on 03/17/2009 8:21:23 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Viking2002

This reminds me of what Clinton did with surplus firearms.


22 posted on 03/17/2009 8:21:29 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: AzSteven
Well, that one didn't work. What's the next idea, Chairman Obama?
23 posted on 03/17/2009 8:21:32 PM PDT by Carling ("We've lost two people in my family because you dickheads won't cut trees down," - Warwick Spooner)
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To: Wiseghy

“.....brass (copper and steel)?”

Brass an alloy of mostly Cu (copper) and Zn (zinc).

Hard to take Durbin’s word for anything. Illinois has offered up some pretty sorry senators. US Govt has surplussed brass for a long time, and has tried varying offerings ostensibly to get the best return for Uncle. If brass finds it’s way to the civilian market it gives the anti-firearms zealots an avenue to disrupt civilian sales they can’t achieve legislatively. Anyway, doubtful the so called cartels waste any time with US brass or firearms, but rather prob’ly get plenty of Russian or Chicom arms and steel-cased ammo at a discount.


24 posted on 03/17/2009 8:27:13 PM PDT by corvus
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To: Wiseghy
How much more carbon will it take to mine, refine, manufacture and ship all this brass (copper and steel)?

Hmmm brass is an alloy of copper and *zinc*.

25 posted on 03/17/2009 8:27:38 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Viking2002

There’s the feds gun control. Prices going up and up and ammo getting harder to get. Isn’t that a surprise. I’ll keep buying and buying while I can.


26 posted on 03/17/2009 8:31:43 PM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: I got the rope
This reminds me of what Clinton did with surplus firearms.

Fortunately Captain Crunch did not get nearly all the M-14s. Most have been refurbished, as required and at minimum and are doing duty with "Designated Marksmen" (very often recruits from the "gun culture") in Iraq and Afghanistan.

27 posted on 03/17/2009 8:32:58 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: corvus
Dang, you beat me by 25 seconds. The time I took double checking my memory. :)


28 posted on 03/17/2009 8:39:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: tubebender

Seems to be fixed already.

Which is different...


29 posted on 03/17/2009 8:41:05 PM PDT by SouthTexas (Pending....)
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To: AuntB
The leftists in DC are going to use the chaos in Mexico to dilute the 2nd amendment. Never waste a good crisis, right?

gThis is apparently one of the few things they can't blame on "global warming" or "corporate greed".

30 posted on 03/17/2009 8:48:06 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The inmates are now officially running the asylum.)
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To: ImaTexan

PING


31 posted on 03/17/2009 8:51:28 PM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: AzSteven

Many, many thanks for your post. Rescending that DOD order is the best news I have heard in a long time? Thank you for keeping us informed.


32 posted on 03/17/2009 8:52:14 PM PDT by NorwegianViking (HR1388 Appropriations)
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To: Viking2002

I sure enjoyed blowing off all my old ammo this month.
I kinda miss all the guns I sold but I needed the money
thanks to Obama’s stimulus package and the fact I’m now
unemployed.
But I’ve learned alot about potato guns.
Do you think Obama will restrict potatos?
What won’t he restrict so I can plan properly?


33 posted on 03/17/2009 8:52:55 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: AzSteven

Woo hoo! If they cave this quickly, maybe they will cave again when we get REALLY mad.


34 posted on 03/17/2009 8:53:17 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: headstamp 2
"It won’t pay to reload soon."

There is no price too high, to have the means to fight.

35 posted on 03/17/2009 8:53:25 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: AzSteven

Stinkin ZERO defeated again after a horrific, disgusting attept to deat the Second Amendment! Are people finally going to get sick of having a closet Muslim Arab fraudulently holding the Office of POTUS and concealing his KENYAN CITIZENSHIP in Violation of Our U.S. Constitution which he deviously tried to have Nullified since ZERO doesn’t “LIKE” that section of IT!:-(


36 posted on 03/17/2009 8:58:22 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Great President George W. Bush)
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To: freema

The bastard in chief may spark a backlash like none we’ve ever seen.

Invest in precious metals like lead, brass, blued steel, stainless steel, copper jacketed base metals, tungsten, etc in whatever quantities you can afford.

I do.


37 posted on 03/17/2009 9:01:26 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Relax, its fixed THIS TIME! Wait till the next attack! It’s Coming! Napolitano in charge of HLS!! a Barfing Laugh for any Terrorist or Criminal! She doesn’t even APPROVE of using the word ‘TERRORIST!” Rendell said she was a ‘Great Choice” for HLS because she is “UNMARRIED!” GOD! Thats the Honest Truth, Rendell really said that stupid, Dangerous Comment! Napolitano has outlawed Vibrators because they may “Stimulate Man-made Disasters!” in her warped opinion.


38 posted on 03/17/2009 9:07:05 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Great President George W. Bush)
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To: Squantos; wardaddy

Ping!


39 posted on 03/17/2009 9:08:45 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: All

folks 2010 is just around the corner.

Michael Steel is an idiot but he can not control the local GOP clubs/parties.

TAKE OVER YOUR LOCAL GOP. Go in with a group and get yourselves elected to party office.


40 posted on 03/17/2009 9:13:55 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: El Gato
Fortunately Captain Crunch did not get nearly all the M-14s. Most have been refurbished, as required and at minimum and are doing duty with "Designated Marksmen" (very often recruits from the "gun culture") in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Fifty Thousand M-14s were donated to Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania back in '97-'98. Better than destroying them, I guess.

41 posted on 03/17/2009 9:24:51 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: bjcintennessee

do we have a gun ping list and if so can i please be added


42 posted on 03/17/2009 9:26:17 PM PDT by genxer
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To: Viking2002

We all know brass is very dangerous to the environment.


43 posted on 03/17/2009 9:27:52 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: bossmechanic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu6oXaH7IZQ&feature=related


44 posted on 03/17/2009 9:33:43 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: longtermmemmory

I’ve actually looked at running. My local repub party is
geriatric and painfully self-deceived with respect to affairs further than 100 miles from their homes.

And I’m not sure I’d want to run under the repub label. Alot of our problems stem from existing repubs compromising basic principles for the sake of fitting into a compromised republican party line in order to get elected/reelected and the campaign money that goes with the GOP.
I can’t swallow this lure without upchucking.

Thanks to commies like Soros, and the financial requirements of a modern campaign, the barriers to electing rational individuals is daunting.

Somebody got an answer to this extremely vexing problem, please share.


45 posted on 03/17/2009 9:36:01 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: True Republican Patriot

They never give up. They will be back in some new way on another day.


46 posted on 03/17/2009 9:41:57 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Get the bats and light the hay)
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To: Viking2002; All
From the article:

"The Orlando Sentinel reports months of steady, heavy buying have left gun dealers in Florida facing shortages of ammunition."

I made a very quick stop earlier today at the "Florida Gun Exchange" in Port Orange, Volusia County Florida (about 60 miles NE of Orlando) to pick up some .38SPL ammo for a recently acquired older S&W Model 10. My 85 year old mama-in-law was in the car with me as we were retuning home after she had completed a scheduled doctor visit. I knew my "ammo stop" would have to be "quick" as she agreed to the stop and would be "in the car" while I "shopped".

It was my first visit to the very popular and well "cable advertized" gun shop.

As I entered, the first thing I saw was a "substantial" neatly stacked "display" (in the middle of the floor) of what at a quick glace were ( without actually counting around 30-40) 1000 rd boxes of Federal 9mm ammo (didn't catch the actual "specs" of what the boxes contained because of smaller print) with a sign on the stack posting a price of $279.00 per box.

The store was quite busy, I was finally waited on, and when I inquired about purchasing some .38SPL ammo, his smiling demeanor did a COMPLETE "180" as he told me that the store had NO FMJ .38SPL ammo for me to choose from, and that their back order situation is approaching the 60 day mark, with NO indication of when their vendors will be able to start filling their ever decreasing remaining stock.

I settled for one box of 20 Federal .38SPL 110gr JHP HYDRA-SHOK @ $22.95 ( to keep in the gun for it's "home defense" use), and had to settle for 2 50 rd boxes of MAGTECH .38SPL 158gr SJSP @$19.95 for when I get to try the weapon out for the first time.

The "sales associate" pointed to the shelves behind the counter containing their inventory of smaller quantity and specialty boxes of ammo and quietly lamented to me that he hopes "thing get better....SOON".

I then mentioned the "stack" of 9mm ammo I saw when I entered, to which he replied "When that stack goes, I'm afraid it'll be a while before we can count on getting another large shipment to replace it."

From my brief but very "eye-opening" first visit to the Florida Gun Exchange, I also hope the ammo situation in my area (and everyone else's) does "get better...SOON" .

47 posted on 03/17/2009 9:44:09 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see a REAL C.O.L.B. BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: AuntB
However, the violence has skyrocketed, Goddard said, with a new and appalling trend: assassinations of police officers, prosecutors and other officials who are combating cartels.

The length mere mortals will go trying to defy power beyond their comprehension. The Market for Drugs and Guns will no more be changed than the course of a mighty river.

The war on drugs has only accomplished one thing: to raise the price of drugs. Are drugs still around? Mortal monkeys who refuse to admit the market has and will continue to kick their azzes every time. As a taxpayer, I can think of better ways to spend/waste money.

These idiots might just as well waste money on anti-gravity inserts for shoes.

48 posted on 03/17/2009 9:45:10 PM PDT by budwiesest (Trust not, anyone who'll not trust you with a gun, a golf club, or rabid gopher.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I heard someone say today that large rifle ammo primers were impossible to find

whats going on ?

49 posted on 03/17/2009 9:57:25 PM PDT by KTM rider (the War On Terror has been superceeded by the War On Capitalism)
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To: musicman

Which is why many years ago, I concentrated on .22 ammo. My pistol & 3 rifles all use .22 long rifle ammo. I have around 25,000 rounds now and every month or so add another 1,000. Its cheap and easy to get (for now).

I do also have a few other weapons but if all else fails, I will have ammo for a long time for the 22’s


50 posted on 03/17/2009 10:02:40 PM PDT by packrat35 (You could make a fortune as a politician if you have the moral standards of a convicted pedophile)
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